Rep. Keith Ellison gives an emotional testimony of a Muslim hero of 9/11. Sadly Rep. Peter King is making life even more difficult for American Muslims – these hearings are un-American. Ironically, Rep Peter King has links to the IRA – a TERRORIST organisation!
Cenk Uygur (Young Turks) denounces Peter King as un-American, accuses him of links to the IRA and highlights Keith Ellison’s moving testimony.
Truth About King's Muslim Hearings - Cenk Uygur on MSNBC
MSNBC host Cenk Uygur shares a clip of passionate testimony Rep. Keith Ellison and explains why he believes Rep. Peter King's hearings on 'Muslim Radicalization' are un-American. He also talks about how we should be investigating all radicals (he points out that since 9/11 there have been almost twice as many terror plots from non-Muslims).
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I am not convinced.The idea is "innocent until proven guilty".King says US-born Muslims are guilty of terrorism based on Islam.There are cases,his question is "How extended is the influence?"
An intelligent person will investigate,that is all.
RACISM ANALOGY
It is like having a hearing on "Racial Radicalization of Whites".
Has RACISM increased?
If it has the question is WHY?Is it extending,or not?What can be done about it?Get the witnesses,the racists,ex-racists,whites,non-whites.
Muslima Veena Malik delivers the smack down to Muslim cleric.
I can see now why you Muslims want to oppress woman.
"There are Islamic Clerics who RAPE the children they teach in their Mosques" Veena Malik
Faith Shattering Shocking Video Muslims avert your eyes.
@anon
Old news!
I was directed to that story a few days ago.
Looks like you AM boys are a little slow on the uptake. I guess Dave's fishing from other Islamophobic websites is always going to leave him lagging behind.
Fellas, get in the fast lane. Don't forget to buckle up and stay on topic rather than trampling in other people's miseries around the world for your own anti-muslim agendas.
Isolated stories out of Pakistan are hardly going to be faith shattering.
Why do our Islamophobic friends travel with isolated stories from some of the poorest and deprived Muslim countries in the world (ie Pakistan and Afghanistan)? What do they hope to achieve with such stories?
The answer is simple, these Christians have given up trying to cash fish for the trinity - they have decided to sway the less informed and emotional Christians via emotive stories related to Muslims.
That is the state of Christian apologetics.
Ion sharpens iron as one man sharpens another
@Yahya Snow
You said...
"Isolated stories out of Pakistan are hardly going to be faith shattering."
I asked you this before and you never answered so I will ask again.
What is your threshold, when does the numerous report of Muslims acting like Muslims go from isolated incident to "WOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM"
I'm just curious how many will it take.
In a video of his, Cenk,the one who made the video here,said he was of Turkish extraction.That he was an AGNOSTIC,not a Muslim.
His group chose the name "Young Turks" became they think it means a modernizer,someone who wants to change things.
Now Cenk and his friends certainly did NOT know it when they chose the name that the Young Turks was a nationalistic movement founded in 1908 in Turkey that was responsible:
1.For the Armenian Genocide:1.5 million
2.Greek Genocide:500,000
3.Assyrian Genocide:500,000-750,000
In their blog they later had a bit on that fact,certainly learned after they chose the name.The question is:
Now that they know it,why don't they change their name?It shows such a lack of respect.
CENK AND WHAT AMERICA STANDS FOR
Worse,the Young Turks Movement was for DESTROYING ALL THE NON-TURKISH ETHNIC IDENTITIES in the Empire:
they wanted the Kurds(a Muslim group) to only speak Turkish,give up their culture,the same for the Arabs under their control.
So Cenk says America is for freedom,liberty,the American ideal is X,etc,yet continues to name his organization after a group that was intolerant,anti-American ideal,anti-human rights.
A strange situation:his group says to be for human rights yet has as its name an anti-human rights group,a genocide group.
Minoria: I am not convinced.The idea is "innocent until proven guilty".King says US-born Muslims are guilty of terrorism based on Islam.There are cases,his question is "How extended is the influence?"
An intelligent person will investigate,that is all.
Statistics show that a significant portion of crimes in America are committed by blacks. How about we hold hearings on black people?
RadicalIdiot: What is your threshold, when does the numerous report of Muslims acting like Muslims go from isolated incident to "WOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM"
Muslims acting like Muslims? More like Muslims acting like Christian priests.
Another Isolated Incident of Muslims acting like Muslims.
Thousands of Christians have been forced to flee their homes in Western Ethiopia after Muslim extremists set fire to roughly 50 churches and dozens of Christian homes.
At least one Christian has been killed, many more have been injured and anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000 have been displaced in the attacks that began March 2 after a Christian in the community of Asendabo was accused of desecrating the Koran.
The violence escalated to the point that federal police forces sent to the area two weeks ago were initially overwhelmed by the mobs. Government spokesman Shimelis Kemal told Voice of America police reinforcements had since restored order and 130 suspects had been arrested and charged with instigating religious hatred and violence.
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So how many "Isolated Incidents is that Yahya, I'm thinking at least 50 this year. Again I ask you what is your threshold. When do these numerous "Isolated Incidents" become "Mecca we have a problem"?
As I'm sure you know, I have spent the last few days exposing another Islamic hoax propagated by Yahya Snow. That "We KNOW" that Ishmael settled in Mecca and that Arabs worshiped a single unitarian monotheistic God called Allah.
You also may know that not a single Muslim came up with any proof that this was the case. So hoax exposed.
Now I will expose the Islamic hoax that western scientists admit that the Quran is scientifically miraculous.
"If you dialogue with Muslim apologists, you'll eventually hear the claim that even Western scientists have admitted that the Qur'an is a scientific miracle. Many people have converted to Islam based on these claims. Dig a little deeper, however, and you'll realize that certain Muslims are willing to engage in any degree of deception in order to propagate their religion.
German geologist Alfred Kröner was once asked whether Muhammad had accurate scientific knowledge of geology. Kröner responded that Muhammad, living in seventh century Arabia, simply couldn't have known about modern geology. That was it. Imagine Kröner's surprise upon learning that Muslims were ripping his comments out of context, giving the impression that he had admitted that the Qur'an is scientifically miraculous.
In 2002, the Wall Street Journal did an investigation of the scientists who supposedly acknowledged the miraculous scientific accuracy of the Qur'an. They found that the Islamic commission in charge of gathering the scientific support was anything but scientific. One of the scientists even admitted to speaking favorably of the Qur'an in exchange for a free vacation! "
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Exposing another Islamic Hoax part 2.
The commission drew the scientists to its conferences with first-class plane tickets for them and their wives, rooms at the best hotels, $1,000 honoraria, and banquets with Muslim leaders -- such as a palace dinner in Islamabad with Pakistani President Mohammed Zia ul-Haq shortly before he was killed in a plane crash. Mr. Ahmed also gave at least one scientist a crystal clock.
Mr. Ahmed, who left the commission in 1996 and now operates an Islamic elementary school in Pennsylvania, says he reassured the scientists that the commission was "completely neutral" and welcomed information contradicting the Quran. The scientists soon learned differently. Each one was given a verse from the Quran to examine in light of his expertise. Then Mr. Zindani would interview him on videotape, pushing him to concede divine inspiration.
Marine scientist William Hay, then at the University of Colorado, was assigned a passage likening the minds of unbelievers to "the darkness in a deep sea ... covered by waves, above which are waves." As the videotape rolled, Mr. Zindani pressed Prof. Hay to admit that Muhammad couldn't have known about internal waves caused by varying densities in ocean depths. When Prof. Hay suggested Muhammad could have learned about the phenomenon from sailors, Mr. Zindani insisted that the prophet never visited a seaport.
Prof. Hay, a Methodist, says he then raised other hypotheses that Mr. Zindani also dismissed. Finally, Prof. Hay conceded that the inspiration for the reference to internal waves "must be the divine being," a statement now trumpeted on Islamic Web sites.
"I fell into that trap and then warned other people to watch out for it," says Prof. Hay, now at a German marine institute.
Similar prodding failed to sway geologist Allison "Pete" Palmer, who was working for the Geological Society of America. He stuck to his position that Muhammad could have gleaned his science from Middle Eastern oral history, not revelation. On one video, Mr. Zindani acknowledges that Mr. Palmer still needs "someone to point the truth out to him," but contends that the geologist was "astonished" by the accuracy of the Quran. Mr. Palmer says that's an overstatement. Still, he has fond memories of Mr. Zindani, whom he calls "just a lovely guy." He and the other American scientists say they had no idea of Mr. Zindani's ties to Mr. bin Laden. And in any case the U.S. didn't regard Mr. bin Laden as an outlaw at that time.
Prof. Gerald Goeringer, an embryologist retired from Georgetown University, says he urged the commission to try some verification: hire an independent scholar to see whether the Quran's statements could have been taken from Aristotle, the Greek philosopher-scientist who preceded the book by nearly 1,000 years. After his request was denied, Prof. Goeringer says, he stopped going to the conferences for fear of being associated with fanaticism.
"It was mutual manipulation," he says. "We got to go places we wouldn't otherwise go to. They wanted to add some respectability to what they were publishing."
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For those western reverts who reverted because of this BOGUS, and Fraudulent information. I'm sorry to shatter your faith.
Where is old Yahya? He hasn't been posting much. Kind of disappointed.
@Anon
I noticed the Snowman absence as well.
It could be that I totally shattered his faith by exposing his hoax.
A more likely explanation is that he is exhausted.
You know he is a nocturnal jinn fighter. He battles the evil Christian Jinn in his sleep. I hear it can be quite frighting and exhausting.
But don't worry I'm sure he will be back soon with another preposterous claim, or silly attack on GOD
RadicalFool: As I'm sure you know, I have spent the last few days exposing another Islamic hoax propagated by Yahya Snow. That "We KNOW" that Ishmael settled in Mecca and that Arabs worshiped a single unitarian monotheistic God called Allah. You also may know that not a single Muslim came up with any proof that this was the case. So hoax exposed.
Actually, you came up with a number of claims and the ones that I bothered to address turned out to be false. Such as when you supposed that Ishmael was not the ancestor of the Arabs which I showed to be otherwise. With respect to Ishmael settling in Mecca, I argued along the following lines: Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael, as confirmed by pre-Islamic (therefore, non-Muslim) sources. Moreover, the idea that Ishmael settled in Mecca was well known among the Arabs of the Hijaz, something which Professor Uri Rubin cogently argued not to be an Islamic invention. Given that it is more likely that the Arabs preserved information about their ancestors (made all the more plausible since people back in those days used to keep record of their lineages and ancestral customs), and less likely that this belief popped out of nowhere, it is not implausible to believe that Ishmael settled in Mecca (assuming of course he existed to being with).
Yahya said we know for certain that Ishmael settled in Mecca. His belief is based on the Quran. Of course, since the Quran is God's Word, Yahay is not mistaken. My approach, on the other hand, did not rely on the Quran but on the historical information we have outside of it which nevertheless coheres largely with what the Scripture says.
What did Fatman say in response to my argument? As usual, he went on a nonsensical rant on how I shouldn't be relying on Jewish sources since I am supposed to hate Jews (which at the end of the day is merely something which Fatman has projected onto me, being the evangelical bigot that he is).
I predict this time Fatman will go on a similar rant and in the middle make a remark about whether there is evidence for the existence of Mecca and then continue with this foolish rant. With respect to Mecca, its historical existence is not contested in mainstream scholarship of Islam. Patricia Crone theorized otherwise, but her arguments have been long dismantled by a plethora of scholars. I suggest the sincere readers look up Neal Robinson's refutation of Crone as it is written in an accessible manner.
@ Anonymous
Talk about ranting.
In your Rant you said...
"Such as when you supposed that Ishmael was not the ancestor of the Arabs."
I did no such thing, I just asked you to prove the assertion. Which was done to my satisfaction.
You then said...
"Moreover, the idea that Ishmael settled in Mecca was well known among the Arabs of the Hijaz, something which Professor Uri Rubin cogently argued not to be an Islamic invention."
Not sure exaclty what you are refering to. But if you are refering to the Jew who said that Arabs are the descendents of Ishanmel, then you are lying in regards to your claim that Proffesor Uri Rubin argued in favor of this. He said nothing in regards to Mecca, as a matter of fact he relied on the book of Jubilies which puts Ishmael and Hagar in BEERSHEEBA, not in Mecca when the well was revealed. So much for the well of ZAM ZAM.
You the said...
"Given that it is more likely that the Arabs preserved information about their ancestors"
Ok prove it, we know what Arabs believed in and around the area where Mecca would later be settled, dating back long long long before Mohamed or even Mecca. So that claim should be easy to prove. Something so far you have failed to do. Repeating your claim is not evidence in support of that claim.
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You also said...
" and less likely that this belief popped out of nowhere,"
I never said Islam came out of nowhere. We know where Islam came from, it was born out of the vacume created by two great empires, The Byzantines, and the Persians. It is a hodge podge of pseudo heretical, gnostic, Christian beliefs, mixed in with pseudo Christian romance stories, throw in a smidge of Talmudic Jewish explanations of Torah passages, and just for good measures a few rituals of Zorastians, and and Arab Pagan practices. Roll it all up and you got Islam.
You then said...
"My approach, on the other hand, did not rely on the Quran but on the historical information we have outside of it which nevertheless coheres largely with what the Scripture says."
Still waiting for that historical information. The only thing you did was show that Arabs are the descendent's of Ishmael, again I accept that. But you proved anything on the following.
1. Prove Mecca existed say in 500 BC.
2. Prove that pre Islamic Arabs worshiped a single unitarian monothestic God named Allah.
Can you do it or not?
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Fatman: Not sure exaclty what you are refering to. But if you are refering to the Jew who said that Arabs are the descendents of Ishanmel, then you are lying in regards to your claim that Proffesor Uri Rubin argued in favor of this. He said nothing in regards to Mecca, as a matter of fact he relied on the book of Jubilies which puts Ishmael and Hagar in BEERSHEEBA, not in Mecca when the well was revealed. So much for the well of ZAM ZAM.
I said that the belief that Ishmael settled in Mecca is not an Islamic invention, according to Professor Rubin. What is there not to understand? Regarding the book of Jubilees, when did I ever quote Rubin saying that the book of Jubilees confirmed Ishmael's presence in Mecca? I quoted him saying that the "origins of the view may be tracked back" to the book of Jubilees.
Fat: Ok prove it, we know what Arabs believed in and around the area where Mecca would later be settled, dating back long long long before Mohamed or even Mecca. So that claim should be easy to prove. Something so far you have failed to do. Repeating your claim is not evidence in support of that claim.
Prove what? That the Arabs kept track of their lineage? If so, consider Rubin who in the same article writes, "Generally speaking, the pre-Islamic Arabs seem to have been well aware of their genealogical descend from Abraham and Ishmael, and, in fact, the authority of Quraysh among the rest of the Arab tribes was based on this descent.....In view of the rest of the material adduced in this paper, there does not seem to be any serious reason for doubting the authenticity of the reports about pre-Islamic Abrahamic sacredness of the Kabah and the Quraysh" (p.289)
So if you want proof, just read the damn paper!
BTW I looked at the site you linked to. As expected, it is not a scholarly source but a missionary website. How many of Amari's articles have been published in journals? Or is he type who like all other Evangelicals who have no academic standing whatsoever relegated to espousing his views on the internet?
I said that the Arabs kept track of their lineage. Ibn Ishaq has a record of it. But according to your precious Dr.Amari, Ibn Ishaq fabricated them. Whose analysis are you going to go with? Uri Rubin who is a real scholar, or some random guy on the internet with no academic standing whatsoever?
Regarding Mecca, as I said, mainstream scholarship of Islam does not contest the historical reality of Mecca. Sure, some people like Crone and Cook did, but their work has been overwhelmingly rejected. Crone herself has revised her ideas since!
Fool: I never said Islam came out of nowhere.
I did not say Islam came out of nowhere, so you are simply attacking a straw man. I said the pre-Islamic belief regarding Ishmael did not pop out of nowhere.
Fat: Still waiting for that historical information. The only thing you did was show that Arabs are the descendent's of Ishmael, again I accept that
Lol! You do realize that "Dr" Amari has a article on his website seemingly arguing against the belief that Arabs descended from Ishmael? Your source sucks!
Fat: 2. Prove that pre Islamic Arabs worshiped a single unitarian monothestic God named Allah.
Could you be a bit more specific? Are you asking for evidence of monotheism in Arabia prior to Islam? What?
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