tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post2726721216640689867..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: Nonsense at 'Asharis Assemble' BlogYahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-51398188745496067372014-04-11T16:20:33.542-07:002014-04-11T16:20:33.542-07:00And the other thing about borrowing arguments or e...And the other thing about borrowing arguments or examples from kuffar. It's totally valid if the information agrees with the Quran and Sunnah and helps clarify a point to the audience. There are no rules saying you have to mention each and every person you got the information from if it's not necessary. And some good argument sometimes comes from misguided people such as the atheists and christians and to mention their names every time would be a kind of promotion which could lead to more harm than good. So we take what is good and leave the rest, not for fame, not for money but only to spread the truth and make people come close to Allah subhana tala. May Allah guide you.Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16360358290712042578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-10285971867028633232014-04-11T15:19:20.417-07:002014-04-11T15:19:20.417-07:00@farhan and everybody else
The hadith you quote i...@farhan and everybody else<br /><br />The hadith you quote is classified as unauthentic by the greate scholars of islam in the past and present like shaykh al Albani. There is no chain of narrators. It is also wrong to say ikhtilaf is a rahama. There is no authentic narration confirming your understanding of this but actually the truth is opposite.<br /><br />Islam United the Arab tribes, something that was thought to be impossible. All the acts of worship in islam focus on unity such as the prayer in congregation, the shahada, the eid prayers, the fasting and the pilgrimage. We unite with our neighbors, eat together and help each other, as the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam has tought us. Allah orders us to unite upon His Quran as Allah says ( the meaning in English) and warns us of division and splitting:<br /><br />"And hold fast, all of you together, to the Rope of Allah (i.e. this Quran), and be not divided among yourselves..." (3:103)<br /><br />And also in (3:105)<br /><br />"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment."<br /><br />And our beloved Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam likewise warned us of splitting when he drew the line in the sand, and from that line drew many lines to left and right and warned us of them. He also tought us to stand close together when we pray to protect our hearts from splitting and division. Farhan, our religion is all about unity and against ikhtilaf and disagreements. May Allah bless you and guide you to the truth. And all Yahya is doing is calling the people to an agreement on truth and to leave the falsehood they indulge in. In other words dawah. So the logical conclusion would rather be "dissagremant may lead to killings while unity upon the truth doesn't"Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16360358290712042578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-31878902296965568572014-04-11T10:19:11.933-07:002014-04-11T10:19:11.933-07:00Yahya, it's ok to disagree and not to see eye ...Yahya, it's ok to disagree and not to see eye to eye all the time ... ikhtilaafu ummati rehmatunli naas ... regardless if this is an authentic hadith or not, it is in principle pure wisdom. <br /><br /><br />I would rather see assertive disagreements than people killing each other over this kind of stuff. <br /><br /><br />>>> Tzortzis was a breath of fresh air: he lobbied for rational arguments for the existence of God, he said that morality had no basis without God and backed it up convincingly. <<<<br /><br />This should have read as follows:<br /><br />"William Lane Craig has been a breath of fresh air: he lobbied for rational arguments for the existence of God, he said that morality had no basis without God and backed it up convincingly."<br /><br />Hamza Tzortzis did a good job of copying, sometimes word for word, and repeating Craig without ever giving credit to the great Christian Philosopher. <br /><br /> Farhan Qureshinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-11853033300194174042014-04-11T08:40:32.680-07:002014-04-11T08:40:32.680-07:00I think you should leave their thirst for sectaria...I think you should leave their thirst for sectarian mudslinging,it will only lower you to their level of public discourse.<br />I have already tried reasoning with them but all I got back was more accusations and name calling.<br />I posted a link to a excellent article by Muhammed Ghilan (someone they supposedly respect) about how to respect ones opponents and their scholars and not talk about them in a derogatory manner,alas it seems to have gone over their heads. To me they are hell bent on furthering sectarian strife.<br /><br />http://mohamedghilan.com/2011/10/12/my-shaykh-vs-your-shaykh/<br /><br />maratsafinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-62551625790212055542014-04-10T19:40:42.263-07:002014-04-10T19:40:42.263-07:00@Asharia Assemble and others, here's a useful ...@Asharia Assemble and others, here's a useful comment from PW's blog on Asharis Assemble's hit piece<br /><br /><br />maratsafin<br /> April 10, 2014 • 8:40 pm <br /><br />I don’t know what to make of this piece,there isn’t much other than complaining about the lifestyle of IERA representatives and coming across as a pompous know it all.<br /><br />I have my issues with this article.<br /><br />Firstly even if Hamza Tzortis did take ideas from William Lane Craigs book “Reasonable faith” or the “Kalam Cosmological argument” Adam deen has done the same and moreover Dr Craig gets his arguments from medieval Muslim theologians. I don’t get why there is a problem if Hamza uses Craig but not when Adam uses him??!!<br /><br />Secondly this line really gets me “I remember once explaining the issue of the age of Aisha to a famous Dawah carrier.” There never has been an issue until very recently as explained by Dr Jonathan Brown,even you brother Paul,if I remember correctly have posted the video of Dr Jonathan Brown defending the belief of Hazrat Ayesha’s ra age. Here is a video of him responding to a question by Adam deen at why the age of Ayesha agitates him.<br /><br /><br /><br />Thirdly this author calls Shaykh Akram Nadwi a faux sufi and closet salafi, strongly disagreeing with that description I would like to know who the author thinks measures upto his immense knowledge and authored works including his monumental 57 volume work on female hadith trasmitters and how is he a fake sufi?<br /><br />Fourthly the author had this to say about Dr Zakir naik “made liberal use of scientific facts and used them to ‘establish’ the truth of the Quran” I have also heard Dr Shabbir Ally make similar arguments for the authenticity of the Holy Quran as being a divine revelation and yet she praises him and you (brother paul) and rightly so but dismisses Dr Zakir Naik for making similar arguments?? sounds contradictory to me. Also Dr Shabbir Ally has used the numerical miracles in the Quran approach in his lectures,a approach that was first founded by the heretic Rashid Khalifha and is somewhat like the science in the Quran method. Are we going to dismiss these arguments as well?<br /><br />Fifthly,whats the big deal if some of the IERA representatives practice polygyny? if their wives are okay with it why should it matter to the author? It seems that this is the major problem for the author of this piece,she just goes on about their alleged behaviour at some these conferences. I didn’t see no advice or solutions for this behaviour she witnessed.<br /><br />I would like to know which scholars and organisations would meet this sisters criteria for dawah work? Are there any out there she would recommend? AND why and how are they different from IERA?<br /><br />I would also like to make an observation,something that occurred to me while reading a excellent piece by Muhammed Ghilan here http://mohamedghilan.com/2014/03/26/its-hard-out-here-for-a-saudi/. It seems that our salafi brothers are getting the same backlash recently like saudi arabia and in many instances unfairly so.<br />Yahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.com