One thing is for certain, Sam Shamoun has not changed..."leopard" and "spots" come to mind
It appears an interaction between a well-liked Muslim on YouTube, JibreelK, and Sam Shamoun has descended into chaos thanks to Sam Shamoun’s inability to stick to the topic in hand and his propensity to use an abrasive style characterized by insults and rise-seeking.
For background information see (and JibreelK’s subsequent videos):
My intention is not to wade into the discussion but help refocus the discussion to Shamoun’s initial comments related to John 3:16. Sam Shamoun made an odd claim, he claimed quoting from John 3:16 in Arabic proves Allah is Satan. Jibreel has been asking for proof for this claim from Shamoun ever since:
One of my other intentions here is to bring Sam Shamoun's shoddy manners to attention, yet again, in order to help Christians realise this man to be somebody who is motivated by hatred rather than the Church, why support someody of this nature in a monetary way or in any other way?
Sam Shamoun has been shifting the topic and has not provided and proof for his claim. Sam if you simply mis-spoke then let us know, don’t allow your ego to get the better of you
Shamoun seems to be changing topic and straying into different avenues whilst JibreelK wants a systematic discussion which takes ones point at a time – JibreelK’s style is more suited to the truth-seeker thus Shamoun should relent and enter into an analytical YouTube dialogue where each point can be judged in a time-honoured fashion. Quite simply put; Sam Shamoun should leave the games and ego at the door and enter a genuine back and forth dialogue (one topic at a time) on YouTube with JibreelK.
Note: JibreelK has EVEN given Sam Shamoun a tutorial on how to produce a video for YouTube as Sam claimed he did not know how to make videos. This was a little hard to digest for myself as Sam Shamoun runs a website, operates a microphone on a chat service named Pal Talk and has had a fancy new laptop bought for him by Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood.
Jibreel’s tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/user/JibreelK#p/a/u/0/l92JKguV4cQ
Sam Shamoun: Chaos and Insults
So I recently popped over to Shamoun’s comment board (on his YouTube account (shamounian) and saw a “conversation” between JibreelK and Sam Shamoun. Well to be accurate it was a couple of comments from Jibreel and then an abrasive shower of venomous comments which formed Sam Shamoun’s monologue. Jibreel's comments are in green italics whilst Sam Shamoun's are in purple italics. My (Yahya Snow) comments are interjected between comments.
Jibreel’s Opening Gambit
salamo aleikum my dear brother
Sam and David have disengaged with anyone that can put sticks in the wheels of their dawa. They only pray on ignorant and weak, and they can only work when they control the mic. Check my history with them. Now I gave them more than a month to reply to THE ALLAH IS SATAN challenge that they have made, no reply yet. I will add to your challenge and post this message on their site.
NOTE: He is referring to David Wood when he mentions “David”:
Jibreel’s refutation of David Wood:
One month is some time Jibreel, perhaps they have no intention to respond (i.e. theirs was a hit and run attack, time will tell). My response to David Wood on honour killings is gathering dust, yet there is STILL no response from Acts17:
Jibreel also writes:
hello Sam, I gave you enough time, I focused on other things but now we have to get back to it. Let's try with more respect on your side right now.
Did you post the link to my video in your articles yet? You did say you would. Please let me know.
Also please do post my 2 comments.
(Notice Jibreel is uber-polite. This is the way to conduct discussion)
Now Sam Shamoun enters the scene and it changes the atmosphere, Shamoun writes:
But don't worry I will get to your barking and shut it once and for all. I swear to your Allah that I will expose you and him, so please be patient since your humiliation will come just like the rest of the Muslim terrorists and dawagandists that have run their mouth. In the meantime do what you do best and keep shouting since that it is what your false prophet did also whenever he got exposed and humiliated.
“Barking”, is Shamoun serious? Is this the way to respond to a legitimate inquiry from Jibreel. Note: Jibreel has a reputation and history of respect and courtesy in dialogue.
Sam claimed he will expose Allah, he has been trying for years and has not, what makes him think he will manage to do the impossible this year? I would like him to open up the Arabic Bible and realise the word “Allah” is used for God in the Arabic Bible.
Note Sam also says “I swear to your Allah”. Well, Sam recently you claimed Allah is Satan so are you seriously telling us you are willing to swearing to Satan? Think before you make odd proclamations, Sam.
Note Sam’s appended adjective to Prophet Muhammad, he says “false”. Well, Sam can you prove Muhammed to be a false Prophet? I have seen missionary work on Prophet Muhammed and you have not proven him to be false, so your choice of adjective seems to be something to reassure YOURSELF, perhaps you regularly have thoughts entering your mind suggesting Muhammed is a true messenger of God. I have read work by WM Watt and he likened Muhammed with an Old Testament Prophet. A conversation with a vicar, on my part, led to the vicar proclaiming Muhammed to be a PROPHET OF GOD. The natural question is, what in the world is a leader of a Church doing believing in Muhammed as a Prophet, perhaps the answer is “intellectual honesty”…you just can’t disprove his Prophethood.
Simply calling him “false” will not disprove his Prophethood but will merely outline the emptiness in your argumentation and inner-being.
Child of Satan?
Jibreel, I haven't forgotten your stupidity but since you don't have the courage to debate your claims and defend the honor of your false prophet, one of the antichrists that the Bible warned against, I am in no rush to write articles and produce videos to expose you. The last time I wrote an article you produced some of the stupidest replies that only further demonstrated you cannot produce a logical response you set aside logic and reasoning the moment you embraced your false prophet. Even Nakdimon didn't bother wasting times replying because he saw how stupid your replies are and you are a complete waste.
Accusing somebody of stupidity hardly strengthens your position. Careful argumentation is what Jibreel trades with not indults; Sam you should think about that.
Again, Sam Shamoun says “false”. We have already discussed this, this time he claims the Bible warns against Muhammed? Proof? Sam, please do not speak without evidence.
Sam, a word of advice; try writing in a less abrasive manner. You are coming off as the poorer relation when compared to Jibreel in the department of etiquette; does this not worry you? After all you do claim to have the Holy Spirit within you whilst Muslims are children of Satan (according to you), yet a Muslim seems to be a lot nicer than you. Food for thought, who exactly is the child of Satan here?
JibreelK, since you came here barking let me ask you a question I asked awhile back so I can resume my intention of making you the laughing stock of serious students of truth and reasoning. Did the Meccans of Muhammad's day know that their god Allah was the God of Abraham and Ishmael? Yes or not. I awit your answer so I can begin exposing you and your false prophet.
Oral tradition teaches us Abraham and Ishmael worshipped Allah see Arraheequl Makhtoum. WM Watt teaches us the name Allah is similar to the Greek construction “ho-theos”. So Sam, please don’t try and repeat the “moon-god” idea or the idea Allah is a new “god”. None of those claims hold water see:
BTW Jibreel, in light of your slander against David and me, even though I have BEGGED YOU TO CALL IN THE SHOW AND DEBATE EITHER OF US, your words seem quite prophetic since you are one of the weak and ignorant illiterates that I prey on. Prove me wrong by backing up your bark with some bite. Stop being the coward that you are and take a stand for the honor of your prophet and call in the show where we will see if you can last more than five minutes. Shame on you for not calling in a show and defend the honor of your prophet, especially when begged to do so. Would your false prophet have run like you? I guess he would.
“Slander” Where was the slander? We all missed it Sam
Sam continues with the dog references (bark, bite)
Again, Sam uses the word “false” to describe the Prophet, Sam proof?
Why should JibreelK call your show? He can get his message out on YouTube, where he has longer to talk and not just a flimsy few minutes with aggressive interjections from Sam Shamoun. YouTube is a better deal for Jibreel, it is free too. I’m not sure if Sam’s pals make money through calls on ABN but I do know Sam gets more than enough financial help, they raised £2000 for his new PC!
Sam, previously asked me to call the show on John 1, I did better, I produced blog articles and YT videos and Christians began to question Sam Shamoun:
sam you cant be a man can you. stop insulting and produce some evidence. we have been waiting for over two months.
you dont make the rules man wiht your questions. again debate tactics is all you have, but no knowledge.
you don't ask me questions, first you answer our current discussion. you did not prove Allah to be satan yet.
link my videos to your article if you are a man. you did not do that yet. let your followers see it. you are loosing them one by one day by day.
stop talking trash and show some substance. your ego has got you pinned.
post my videos on yoru answering islam web site, post my work and show everyone how you are getting smoked.
watch my next video - its my turn now to throw as you threw first (allah being satan) and missed by miles
JibreelK tries to get Sam to refocus on the first claim and prove his claim. Shamoun has refused to do so for months, why?
It seems as though Sam Shamoun does not want his readers to view Jibreel’s material, why is that? I also find it pertinent to mention the word “ego”. JibreelK links Ego to Sam’s actions. I have been of the opinion of Shamoun being a man run by ego for some time, it appears others hold this view.
In the meantime, let me get the ball rolling by repeating my question which you conveniently avoided answering. Did the Meccans who lived at the time of your false prophet know that their god Allah whom they worshiped was the God of Abraham and Ishmael their ancestor? Please answer me this time before you run away to produce another stupid reply which will only end up exposing you and your false prophet.
This was a discussion about John 3:16. What is the relevance of Shamoun’s question? Why does Shamoun care what pre-Islamic Meccans believed? They had a pantheon of gods (polytheism) prior to Islamic monotheism, however prior to their slide into polytheism they were on the same monotheism as Abraham, see Arraheequl-Makhtoum.
Again, Shamoun comes out with the “false” claim. Proof?
Macho Sam Shamoun and Debate Challenges
But we all know you are a coward who doesn't love Muhammad enough to take a stand for him. Therefore, like I said child, I will expose you like I did in my article BUT IN MY OWN TIME. I am not your dhimmi so I do not work according to your timetable. So keep barking like you have been doing. I will, by God's grace, muzzle you in due time.
JibreelK has been involved in apologetics and dawah (propagation) for at least a couple of years (evidenced via YouTube) so to claim he doesn’t stand up and refute attacks against Islam and Prophet Muhammed is silly. Sam, there are more avenues in apologetics than calls to your show and shoddy Pal Talk debates. Sam, who is afraid? Here is JibreelK refuting you on the claims (you and your colleagues make) about Muhammed treating his wife (Sawda) badly (8 video series):
So because of your mouth I will issue this public challenge and have it posted in the next updates for all to see. In my open challenge not only will I link to your YouTube page I will also ask the readers to put pressure on you and demand that you be a man and step up to defend your prophet's honor. So thanks for running your mouth since we will all see who's ego is got who pinned! And you can throw all you want since, like Allah and his false messenger, you will miss the target everytime. That's what happens when you defend a false prophet and a god who is actually Satan masquerading as God.
Sam is getting repetitive and increasing his level of insult. Bizarrely enough, he calls Allah Satan again. Proof?
Has he also forgotten his earlier oath by ALLAH? Sam Shamoun’s actions prove he disagrees with what he wrote here unless he has amnesia or is self-contradictory. PS, the odd claim of Allah being Satan has a sister claim which is addressed here (is Quran from Satan):
In fact, because of your mouth I am going to issue a challenge on my website to debate me on the show, calling you to step up and defend your false prophet. I am going to expose you for all to see. I am going to challenge you to debate whether your god is Satan, to defend your pathetic video replies to your prophet's mistreatment of Sawda, and to debate whether your prophet was from God or an antichrist. In this way all the readers will see the truth about you, that you can only hide behind videos but will never have a live exchange to see how far you get with such
Note, he claims Jibreel’s videos on Sawda are “pathetic”, this is customary empty rhetoric from Shamoun as he has NOT even refuted these videos.
So here is my challenge to you once again: CALL IN THE SHOW SO WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE WHERE YOU DON'T AVOID ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS BY PRODUCING REPLIES THAT DISTORT THE POINTS BEING RAISED AGAINST YOUR PROPHET AND YOU. I AM CHALLENGING YOU TO COME TO THE HONOR OF YOUR PROPHET. I know you don't love your false prophet that much to defend his honor. You are more interesting in saving your reputation SINCE YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL DO TO YOU IF YOU TRY TO USE SUCH PATHETIC, DISGRACEFUL ARGUMENTS.
Shamoun just repeats what he has said before but starts shouting it. Careful Sam, don’t whip yourself into frenzy. Remember what happened a few days ago when you lost control in Pal Talk and went berserk? Here is the audio of Shamoun’s tirade of abuse:
Sam Shamoun Calms Down But Starts Lying
However, here is your chance to prove to your fellow pagan and black stone-lickers that masquerade as monotheists that you are not ashamed of your prophet and have the intellect to defend your faith by not running away at the chance of defending this antichrist which the NT warned against when challenged to do so.
Sam, the onus of proof is on you. You are making this “black-stone-licking” claim. Prove it. Why should Jibreel have to disprove it? However Jibreel discusses your wind-up here:
But deep down inside you knew I disgraced you which is why you never bothered producing a link to my article until I called you out for it. You then whined and made excuses why you failed to mention any link to my article. That's what cowards do when they get caught. Face it, you are a mental kid whom I would humiliate in a public debate with cross examination AND YOU KNOW IT which is why you make excuses to avoid debating me
Sam, have you linked to JibreelK’s videos? :)
Sam you are NOT this super debater you make yourself out to be. You shall see this if you come on to YouTube, there are numerous brothers and sisters who are knowledgeable in Islam and apologetics and they are the reason why your brother (Christian Prince) is not taken seriously anymore, quite simply YouTube is the graveyard for shoddy missionaries.
It is time for you to leave Pal Talk and enter real dialogue on YouTube, you are in your 40s yet have never subjected your claims to the rigours of Muslim YouTube scrutiny, why?
Take, for instance, your reply to my article proving that your god is Satan according to the very New Testament you abused to prove otherwise. Not only did I prove that your god is Satan according to the New Testament but even went so far as to prove that your god is Zeus according to your own logic. The sad fact is that my arguments went way over your head which is why you actually think that I didn't prove that your Allah is Satan or that you somehow managed to refute me! Talk about being a sad case.
Jibreel responded to this comment here:
The sad thing is that I know you have no courage when it comes to defending the honor of your prophet since if you did you would be a man and call in the show to defend his honor. What makes this even sadder is that I have repeatedly challenged the honor of your prophet and BEGGED you to call in the show to be a man and step up to defend him. What do you do? You cower away and hide behind your pathetic YouTube replies which you THINK refute my arguments, when in reality they only expose that you cannot comprehend the points being raised against your false prophet and religion.
Sam thinks his show is the be-all and end-all. Sam, wake up, there are other avenues of dialogue. I would not be surprised if JibreelK’s YT videos receive more views than this “show” Sam keeps banging on about. Sam gets more and more repetitive, he shows himself to be a one-trick pony; that trick being that of a wind up.
Sam cranks the insults up a few notches
JibreelK, I understand that as a Muslim you seek to imitate the sunna which explains why you are not capable of understanding anything you read or listen to since you want be an ummi like your prophet. I told you that your stuff is garbage, your arguments are pathetic, and that you are a waste of time. However, because you are a lying repulsive, disgusting human being and a Muslim terrorist who likes to harass Christians (like the one in Africa), much like your false prophet use to do, I promise to expose you and your religion for what you are, BUT IN MY OWN TIME.
Wow, this “missionary” is whipping himself into a new frenzy of hatred. He has a few notches to go on his wind up panel. Sam, lets be blunt, sounds immature, he really does.
As for Jibreel harassing Christians? Care to show proof, Sam? I did not think so.
Sam, Are You Now Working For The Cash?
Note his last statement:
“I promise to expose you and your religion for what you are, BUT IN MY OWN TIME”
Erm, Sam, you have had 40 years to “expose” Islam, you have not managed to do that. Sam you have been on the internet, for many years, talking a big game and making grandiose claims yet you have never managed to prove Islam to be wrong. Is this not a sign that Islam is the truth?
Sam, this may be a nice little earner for you but are you being intellectually honest now, Sam? You have expended so much time and energy into trying to disprove Islam yet never managed it and you’re STILL trying. If Islam was so “pathetic” then you would not need more than 40 years to disprove it.
JibreelK is serious in refocusing the discussion and having a genuine DIALOGUE which aids the truth-seeker, can we say the same for Sam? If Sam is serious then he will be entering a YouTube discussion with JibreelK on the John 3:16 issue and staying on topic (i.e. taking it one topic at a time). Is Mr Courageous (Sam Shamoun) brave enough for YouTube?
As for manners, if we compare Jibreel’s demeanour and style we can see somebody who is a brother of Jesus (Mark 3:35) whilst Sam Shamoun’s behaviour is far from a brother of Jesus, in fact, I commented on Shamoun’s last tirade of abuse and described him as sounding “satanic”. Sam needs to rethink his mannerisms.
I would also like Christians to think about whom they donate their cash to, there are many insincere people out there acting under the false pretence of the Gospel in order to forge an avenue for hatred and financial irregularities.
JibreelK dodges Shamoun's insults whilst Sam Shamoun dodges Jibreel's arguments
Jibreel’s YouTube page:
There are eight videos JibreelK’s video series dealing with the alleged mistreatment of Sauda, here is the first of eight, for the others search through Jibreel’s vids on his YT page: