tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post1171107522631567371..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: Jizya is NOT Scary [Jizyah]Yahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-69326210121508046322011-05-28T11:53:28.068-07:002011-05-28T11:53:28.068-07:00As a Newbie, I am always searching online for arti...As a Newbie, I am always searching online for articles that can help me. Thank you Wow! Thank you! I always wanted to write in my site something like that. Can I take part of your post to my blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-21952545097693500852011-05-26T15:38:40.124-07:002011-05-26T15:38:40.124-07:00What i discover troublesome is to discover a blog ...What i discover troublesome is to discover a blog that may capture me for a minute however your weblog is different. Bravo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-56404124605272566712011-05-25T09:01:20.821-07:002011-05-25T09:01:20.821-07:00Hey intelligent points.. now why didn't i cons...Hey intelligent points.. now why didn't i consider those? Off subject barely, is this page pattern merely from an abnormal set up or else do you use a personalized template. I use a webpage i’m looking for to enhance and properly the visuals is likely one of many key things to complete on my list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-41649308050974232232010-11-30T15:32:23.281-08:002010-11-30T15:32:23.281-08:00I wonder what Anonymous makes of this letter:
I h...I wonder what Anonymous makes of this letter:<br /><br />I have heard of the afflictions, more bitter than death, that have befallen our brethern in Germany of the tyrannical laws, the compulsory baptisms and the banishments, which are of daily occurence. I am told that when they flee from one place a yet harder fate befalls them in another . .. on all sides I learn of anguish of soul and torment of body; of daily exactions levied by merciless oppressors. The clergy and the monks, false priests that they are, rise up against the unhappy people of God ... for this reason they hare made a law that every Jew found upon a Christian ship bound for the East shall be flung into the sea. Alas! How evil are the people of God in Germany entreated; how sad is their strength departed! They are driven hither and thither, and they are pursued even unto death... Brothers and teachers, friends and acquaintances! I, Isaac Zarfati, though I spring from a French stock, yet I was born in Germany, and sat there at the feet of my esteemed teachers. I proclaim to you that Turkey is a land wherein nothing is lacking, and where, if you will, allshallyet be well with you. The way to the Holy Land lies open to you through Turkey. Is it not betterfor you to live under Muslims than under Christians? Here every man dwell at peace under his own Dine and fig tree. Here you are allowed to wear the most precious garments. In Christiendom, on the contrary, you dare not even Denture to cloth your children in red or in blue, according to our taste, without exposing them to the insult or beaten black and blue, or kicked green and red, and therefore are ye condemned to go about meanly clad in sad colored raimtent . . . and now, seing an these things, O Israel, wherefore sleepest thou ? Arise! And lease this accursed land forever! <br /><br />Letter of Rabbi Isaac Zarfati, written during Sultan Mehmed II's reign.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-72988022197228839792010-11-30T15:21:35.668-08:002010-11-30T15:21:35.668-08:00Apparently, after I asked Anonymous to quote histo...Apparently, after I asked Anonymous to quote historians, he went on a copy and paste spree. One of his sources happen to be the following<br />http://www.nku.edu/~gartigw/teaching_files/DHIMMI%20treatment.pdf<br /><br />The author of that handout admits to copying and pasting himself, "The source for almost all this information about the dhimmis is Bat Ye’or, The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians<br />under Islam"<br /><br />Simple question: Is Bat Ye'or a historian? No she isn't. <br /><br />Moreover, Anonymous made the claim that Christians had to crawl in order to pay the Jizyah. Although his examples show mistreatment of minorities during certain periods of Islamic history (notice that these are mostly isolated incidents) there is no mention of Christians having to crawl.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-13023050512630008502010-11-30T15:07:00.226-08:002010-11-30T15:07:00.226-08:00So Anonymous you are going by the name of Bernard ...So Anonymous you are going by the name of Bernard now are you?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-1514837860855566672010-11-30T13:20:14.762-08:002010-11-30T13:20:14.762-08:00In 1892 the clergy of Hamadan in Persia forced the...In 1892 the clergy of Hamadan in Persia forced the Jews to wear a visible red circular patch on the upper part of their garment, and in 1902 they again made them wear a special costume. At the same period in Shiraz, fanatical fundamentalists seized Jews in the streets, shaved their beards, cut off their hair, and made them wear a distinctive badge. In Tehran in 1897 the mullahs published a fatwa requiring the Jews to wear the badge and to cut their hair in order to distinguish themselves from the believers. Under strong British pressure the Shah issued an edict forbidding its implementation. In Yemen, Semach described the special costume worn by the Jews, which was intended to make them look ridiculous; a French woman, resident in San’a, noted in 1947: „The women were unveiled but the men were subject to a strict rule that they had to wear a white cotton shirt with stripes of black. They were not allowed to own horses and generally were bullied by the Arabs. I saw a tribesman whose badly loaded donkey had shed its lucerne [alfalfa], seize the nearest Jew and compel him to pick it up and replace it."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-59939255241985747752010-11-30T13:18:05.346-08:002010-11-30T13:18:05.346-08:00In the latter part of the reign of Abbas II (1642-...In the latter part of the reign of Abbas II (1642-1666), the Jews throughout the empire were obliged to choose between forced conversion and banishment. The synagogues were closed and the converts were made to break with their past, change their names, and marry their daughters to Muslims. Armenians and other Christians were expelled from Isfahan, but owing to the intervention of the Pope and the European states, their fate was less wretched than that of the Jews. In 1661 the Jews were allowed to practice their religion anew on condition that they paid the jizya and also made retroactive payment, calculated from the time of their conversion to Islam. Oppression and persecution of the Jewish and Christian dhimmis continued in the following reigns, with the exception of that remarkably tolerant ruler, Nadir Shah (1736-1747). Under the Qajar dynasty (1794-1925), the oppression and humiliation of the Jews increased. Between 1834 and 1848 a wave of persecution broke out. The Jews, subjected to discriminatory laws, had to wear a distinctive badge and headdress; the community was made collectively responsible for the offence of any individualUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-26365312241271611032010-11-30T13:16:57.514-08:002010-11-30T13:16:57.514-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-9320147998446562202010-11-30T13:15:36.242-08:002010-11-30T13:15:36.242-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-81833212823524951082010-11-30T13:14:07.706-08:002010-11-30T13:14:07.706-08:00Persecution of the dhimmis by the Almoravids and A...Persecution of the dhimmis by the Almoravids and Almohads (1042-1269) wiped out the Christian communities of Muslim Spain and North Africa. The Jews, threatened with forced conversions by Yusuf ibn Tashfin (1061-1106) were able to avoid the same fate only by paying a heavy ransom. Under the Almohads, in 1159, however, the Jews were again left with three choices: conversion, exile, or death. Those who were converted became outwardly Muslims, but continued to practice Judaism in secret. The Hafsids (1228-1534), comparatively tolerant, allowed them to return to Judaism on condition that they pay the jizya and other heavy taxes, adopted a special costume, and complied with other humiliating measures.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-60829731401731142472010-11-30T13:12:50.525-08:002010-11-30T13:12:50.525-08:00Possession of the receipt for the jizya – original...Possession of the receipt for the jizya – originally a piece of parchment worn around the neck or a seal worn on the wrist or on the chest enabled the dhimmi to move from place to place. A dhimmi travelling without this receipt could be put in jail. The seal of the jizya, characteristic of the dhimmis were easily recognizable by their distinctive costume and could be stopped in the street. The French consular archives show that one of the chief objections to the employment of Jews or Christians as dragomans (interpreters) in the consulate during the Ottoman period was their subjugation to the jizya, with all the humiliating conditions which it entailed. The prestige attached to this function was felt to be quite incomparable with the necessarily abject status of the dhimmi, as his degraded condition might reflect upon the consul himself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-27539939507321411972010-11-30T13:11:35.840-08:002010-11-30T13:11:35.840-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-53082400423407806082010-11-30T13:11:07.287-08:002010-11-30T13:11:07.287-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-23555877076053728272010-11-30T12:34:33.074-08:002010-11-30T12:34:33.074-08:00Anonymous: I talked to 4 different historians
Th...Anonymous: I talked to 4 different historians <br /><br />That's your evidence? You didn't even name the historians. Surely if any historian agrees with you, you can at least quote a few highly esteemed historians of the 21st century to support your points (the likes of Bernard Lewis perhaps?)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-23021518083943984352010-11-30T10:54:43.739-08:002010-11-30T10:54:43.739-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324966027310775661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-50847922975168683182010-11-30T08:33:14.145-08:002010-11-30T08:33:14.145-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.ottohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11177671679890053425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-79320993586356946572010-11-30T08:26:34.304-08:002010-11-30T08:26:34.304-08:00How many historians have YOU quoted to support you...<i>How many historians have YOU quoted to support your point?</i><br /><br />Ibn, about Christians having to crawl and then getting hit on the head while paying their jizya - I talked to 4 different historians on 3 different liberal secular college campuses, and they all confirmed. <br /><br />And these are real Doctors. <br /><br />Christians had to crawl in order to pay the jizya so they could be humiliated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-18877402487878523782010-11-30T01:24:13.850-08:002010-11-30T01:24:13.850-08:00@the anonymous who said:
Yahya you do know that i...@the anonymous who said:<br /><br />Yahya you do know that is a histrical fact, go to ANY historian on any campus and they will tell you the same, non muslims had to crawl in order to be humiliated in order to pay their discriminatory tax for not being Muslim.<br /><br />---------------<br /><br />Erm, the governer of Shaam (The Syria and Jordan region) was Obaida ibn al Jarrah ( a companion of Prophet Muhammad, p). He collected the Jizya and RETURNED it as the army was away in another land. Not only this, he even stated if they were attacked he would recall a faction to defend them. Now that is fairness. (ref Shaykh Zayed)<br /><br />Do you still want to talk about anonymous historians?<br /><br />Drop the Islamophobia and try researching Islam for yourself (objectively). You will be impressed, inshaAllah<br /><br />Iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens anotherYahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-72730636788981872962010-11-30T01:16:19.763-08:002010-11-30T01:16:19.763-08:00@Mike
Brother Mike, when it comes to Mr Wood (imo...@Mike<br /><br />Brother Mike, when it comes to Mr Wood (imo) it is not so much about catching fish "for Christ" but it is more about self-promotion and bashing Muslims.<br /><br />You may recall his post a couple of Sundays back. He featured a video with cartoons of the Prophet. Why did he feature such an insulting video? Well, on the same morning he was sent an email which had a dig at his past. How do I know? It was forwarded to me as well. Instead of David taking his argumentation to the sender of such an email he decided to insult ALL Muslims by featuring the nasty cartoon video. Either that or it was a coincidence...<br /><br />I have ANOTHER one of his hoaxes saved to my computer ready to be unveiled shortly.<br /><br />The sad thing is, Christians actually take these folk as representatives of their faith. They even give them cash.<br /><br />In my view normal Christians are decent in dialogue and one can get along with them but the fundamentalist crowd are quite different.<br /><br />These "Christians" who drop emails/comments of detraction are fueled by hatred not evangelism or any activity of the church.<br /><br />These extremists are ruin the internet and give the church a bad name<br /><br />Sad but true.<br /><br />May Allah bless us all further. AmeenYahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-43552808018957361792010-11-29T20:09:34.456-08:002010-11-29T20:09:34.456-08:00You know what I have noticed? That all these peopl...You know what I have noticed? That all these people frequent your webstie to insult islam. Acts 17 is obsessed with insulting a religion. Not to mention convert us all. Alhamdulillah, it is good to see that we are the rational and respectful ones. Say: "O followers of earlier revelation! Come unto that tenet which we and you hold in common: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall not ascribe divinity to aught beside Him, and that we shall not take human beings for our lords beside God." And if they turn away, then say: "Bear witness that it is we who have surrendered ourselves unto Him." surah imran<br /><br />i know this is a stupid epiphany, juse wanted to share.. <br />mikemikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-33936099631688289982010-11-29T20:08:17.176-08:002010-11-29T20:08:17.176-08:00With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who fo...With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord,<br /><br /><br />YF777 said,<br />"Last point: If Jizya is not an issue and a commandment from Allah himself to be continued till the second coming of Jesus, why has it been abolished by all Islamic countries today ? Are Muslim states not going against the teaching of Islam ?"<br /><br />Amen! Where have you been? That is exactly the point! I can't think of a predominant Muslim country in which Islam is being suppressed in some way shape or form. I can't think of a predominant Muslim country in which culture, local politics, tribal loyalties, etc clouds the beauty of Islam.<br /><br />You hit the nail on the head YFC777, now if only other people were given that opening from Allah.thegrandverbalizer19https://www.blogger.com/profile/15600393095781979367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-57064553453071710802010-11-29T12:38:58.160-08:002010-11-29T12:38:58.160-08:00I bet Anonymous is kid in the 14-17 years range.I bet Anonymous is kid in the 14-17 years range.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-77277101790492944452010-11-29T12:25:53.025-08:002010-11-29T12:25:53.025-08:00@anonymous
Who cares how much the Jizya vaied ove...@anonymous<br /><br />Who cares how much the Jizya vaied over the years. It does not matter as the tax is fair and mutual (if above the minimum amount).<br /><br />THINK!<br /><br />BTW, as a CHRISTIAN you should NOT be arguing and you should pay your taxes with willing submission ACCORDING to your Bible. I'm sure the post discusses the bible's support of Jizya. Stop throwing your Bible under the buas and arguing as a secular humanist. <br /><br />Iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens anotherYahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-43061988435621933542010-11-29T12:22:56.649-08:002010-11-29T12:22:56.649-08:00@anonymous, the one who said:
none of your Islamic...@anonymous, the one who said:<br />none of your Islamic stuff is scary. It is just immoral and opressive.<br /><br /><br /><br />Grow up and add some intellect content to your posts as well as consistency.<br /><br />You do realise you (by the way of consistency) have just insulted the Torah and the Noahide laws?<br /><br />This is a problem with "Christian" Islamophobes; they throw their Bible under the bus in their quest to bash Islam. Inconsistent and desperate!<br /><br />AND FYI: Non-Muslims do not get bashed in the face when paying Jizya.<br /><br />Stop listening to crazy Islamophobes and do some RESERACH. Ibn Kathir was not speaking literally!<br /><br />Think, if you do think you will come to Islam. God willing.Yahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.com