tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post2978175337875572406..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: The Truth About JesusYahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-50333932329703255052011-08-31T20:22:36.482-07:002011-08-31T20:22:36.482-07:00Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm
Minoria,
The Qur&#...Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm<br /><br />Minoria,<br /><br />The Qur'an never condemn your version of "true' Trinity.<br />Nowhere in the says that the Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or Mary (p) or whoever His creation is..<br /><br />In fact, the Qur'an itself condemns all sorts of shirk, i.e., associating partners with Allah. <br />It would not matter if the Trinity was composed of any permutations and combinations of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit or the Mary or even Calvin or Joseph Smith. It would still be considered as associating partners with Allah. <br /><br />If you look at the verses in the Qur'an which say about of Trinity it is verse 4:171<br /><br />..walā taqūlū thalāthatun..<br /><br />(...وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ...)<br /><br />..And (do) not Say Three..<br /><br />The imperfect verb ثَلَاثَةٌ is in the present continuous tense fi'il mudhāri' (فعل مضارع).<br /><br />http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=171#(4:171:1)<br /><br />God forbid people to fall into Trinitarian mentality in the past now and in the future.<br /> <br />Minoria, let us whorship the One and True God. The Almighty God Who created Jesus (p) as it is still equally clear in the Old Testament & The New Testament that the God is one God without any partners.<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-32973255152396083472011-08-31T20:21:37.133-07:002011-08-31T20:21:37.133-07:00Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm
Minoria,
The Qur&#...Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm<br /><br />Minoria,<br /><br />The Qur'an never condemn your version of "true' Trinity.<br />Nowhere in the says that the Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or Mary (p) or whoever His creation is..<br /><br />In fact, the Qur'an itself condemns all sorts of shirk, i.e., associating partners with Allah. <br />It would not matter if the Trinity was composed of any permutations and combinations of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit or the Mary or even Calvin or Joseph Smith. It would still be considered as associating partners with Allah. <br /><br />If you look at the verses in the Qur'an which say about of Trinity it is verse 4:171<br /><br />..walā taqūlū thalāthatun..<br /><br />(...وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ...)<br /><br />..And (do) not Say Three..<br /><br />The imperfect verb ثَلَاثَةٌ is in the present continuous tense fi'il mudhāri' (فعل مضارع).<br /><br />http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=171#(4:171:1)<br /><br />God forbid people to fall into Trinitarian mentality in the past now and in the future.<br /> <br />Minoria, let us whorship the One and True God. The Almighty God Who created Jesus (p) as it is still equally clear in the Old Testament & The New Testament that the God is one God without any partners.<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-21886531692426591162011-08-31T20:14:37.837-07:002011-08-31T20:14:37.837-07:00Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm
Minoria,
The Qur&#...Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm<br /><br />Minoria,<br /><br />The Qur'an never condemn your version of "true' Trinity.<br />Nowhere in the says that the Trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit or Mary (p) or whoever His creation is..<br /><br />In fact, the Qur'an itself condemns all sorts of shirk, i.e., associating partners with Allah. <br />It would not matter if the Trinity was composed of any permutations and combinations of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit or the Mary or even Calvin or Joseph Smith. It would still be considered as associating partners with Allah. <br /><br />If you look at the verses in the Qur'an which say about of Trinity it is verse 4:171<br /><br />..walā taqūlū thalāthatun..<br /><br />(...وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ...)<br /><br />..And (do) not Say Three..<br /><br />The imperfect verb ثَلَاثَةٌ is in the present continuous tense fi'il mudhāri' (فعل مضارع).<br /><br />http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=4&verse=171#(4:171:1)<br /><br />God forbid people to fall into Trinitarian mentality in the past now and in the future.<br /> <br />It is equally clear even in the Old Testament & The New Testament that the God is one God without any partners<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-83520276023073488372011-08-30T10:22:42.030-07:002011-08-30T10:22:42.030-07:00Hello Erik,
I really do not think any responsible...Hello Erik,<br /><br />I really do not think any responsible Catholic intellectual,secular or religious, holds the position Mary is divine.But for argument's sake let's say it is true,even <b>as early as the time of the Italian saint Liguori(1696-1787)</b><br /><br /><b>What about the 600's AD?</b><br /><br />At that time:<br /><br />1.The Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church were still together.They separated in 1054<br /><br />2.The doctrine of purgatory was still practically unknown,certainly not proclaimed by the Orthodox-Catholic church.<br /><br />3.The <b>high degree of Marian esteem was not yet what it is now,not comparable to the time of Liguori</b>minoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030653596590889158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-38142358081256545322011-08-28T00:32:31.385-07:002011-08-28T00:32:31.385-07:00بسم الله الرحمن الرحي
Rad,
Why let's us wor...بسم الله الرحمن الرحي <br /><br />Rad,<br /><br />Why let's us worship God, the one and true Lord of the Universe.<br /><br /> Scripture is always explicit concerning God that the Lord our God is one Lord' (Deuteronomy 6:6, Mark 12:29) never describing God as 'three in one'.<br /><br />- Al Masih declared that it is eternal life to<br />knowthe Father as the only true God<br />(John 17:3 )<br /><br />- The apostles repeatedly taught that<br />God is one, not the second, the third etc. 1 Corinthians 8:6 <br /><br />-God is shown as one person, not three <br />Exodus 24, Ezekiel 1, Daniel 7, Acts 7, and Revelation 4-5.<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-17715950759397184042011-08-27T21:26:54.741-07:002011-08-27T21:26:54.741-07:00Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm
"..They pray ...Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm<br /><br /><br />"..They pray to her and that is idolatry but they never think of her as a goddess.<br /><br />The title "Mother of God" is merely honorific and METAPHORICAL.I don't agree with it prefering "Mother of Jesus" but in a METAPHORICAL way,since the eternal spirit of God the Son decided to enter into creation,unite with flesh,then in a purely metaphorical way she is called Mother of God..." <br /><br /><br />Now, if you were to state that Jesus was the Son of God, or Jesus is God<br /><br />Why dont you say the same thing that the title "Son of God" or "God" is merely honorific and METAPHORICAL.<br /><br />I doubt that by those words you are not stating that Jesus is Divine no less so than the Father etc. <br /><br />The many times in which Mary is referred to as the divine Mother by Catholics, we will see that they have indeed elevated her to a God position and the cathechism also states at times that Mary is materially indistinguishable from God.<br /><br />Have you ever read the devotion works by catholic saints such as St. Louis-Marie Grignion De Montfort, St. Alphonsus De Liguori <br /><br />There are references there to suggest that from the omnipotent Son *the Mother was made omnipotent*.<br /><br />Sincere people will find that Mary is being in a position of divinity, with omnipotence, supreme power and authority.<br /><br />Only play of words from Calvinists Catholic defender which deny it.<br /><br />Why don't we as God fearing people detest these things and proclaim God as ONE (Q 112:1)<br /><br />Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God, the LORD is one. (Deut 6:4)<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-2951475640011431112011-08-27T12:12:52.880-07:002011-08-27T12:12:52.880-07:00RadMod is right,Catholics don't consider Mary ...RadMod is right,Catholics don't consider Mary as a goddess or deity.They don't say she is divine at all.<br /><br />They pray to her and that is idolatry but they never think of her as a goddess.<br /><br />The title "Mother of God" is merely honorific and METAPHORICAL.I don't agree with it prefering "Mother of Jesus" but in a METAPHORICAL way,since the eternal spirit of God the Son decided to enter into creation,unite with flesh,then in a purely metaphorical way she is called Mother of God.minoriahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030653596590889158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-73627522446130964852011-08-27T07:13:58.036-07:002011-08-27T07:13:58.036-07:00@1milimeter you wrote...
Ridicule Mderate:
"...@1milimeter you wrote...<br /><br />Ridicule Mderate:<br /><br />"In the Islamic ( and Universal) system, if one worships something , he is making it God."<br /><br />Really you sure you want to go with that?<br /><br /><br />You then wrote... <br /><br />"In the bizarre and messy Biblical system, to worship a man means nothing:"<br /><br />First if you are refering to Christians worshiping Jesus, we worship Jesus becasue he is God who enter into flesh. So that means everything. Second to worship that which is not God is blasphemy. But since Jesus is GOD we "Rightfully worship him". I invite you Muslims to become true Muslims and worship your creator Jesus Christ being the second person whith the father as the first and holy spirit as the third. <br /><br />You then wrote...<br /><br />"you have people who are worshiped without being considered as God."<br /><br />No I don't because I am not a Catholic. But more to the point yes they worship that which is not God, and they say it is NOT GOD.<br /><br />So thank you for proving that YOUR QURAN IS WRONG.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-17876691541334540662011-08-27T01:08:08.708-07:002011-08-27T01:08:08.708-07:00Ridicule Mderate:
In the Islamic ( and Universal)...Ridicule Mderate:<br /><br />In the Islamic ( and Universal) system, if one worships something , he is making it God. In the bizarre and messy Biblical system, to worship a man means nothing: you have people who are worshiped without being considered as God.1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-76968910559963514282011-08-26T19:58:03.515-07:002011-08-26T19:58:03.515-07:00بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
You dont get it do you ra...بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم <br /><br />You dont get it do you rad?<br /><br />The Quran consider ALL form of human worship is wrong. Shirk.<br />It dont care whether it is your form of trinitarian Christianity or the mary worship.<br /><br />People worship to something they consider Divine. Unless they are nut of course.<br /><br />Apparently Collyridian church survives to this day:<br /><br />http://eternalfeminine.wikispaces.com/Collyridian+Ecumenical+Episcopal+Convocation<br /><br />It is considered Ecumenical chruch by the way. <br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-57420015517816219932011-08-26T09:59:45.203-07:002011-08-26T09:59:45.203-07:00@Erick you wrote...
"Early christianity reco...@Erick you wrote...<br /><br />"Early christianity record Mariamites, Collyridian which consider Mary as God."<br /><br />Not sure on the Marimites or even if they are the same group as Coloridians.<br /><br />However the little that is known about the Coloridians is that they were PAGAN to begine with and just included Mary into their Patheon. <br />THEY WHERE NOT CHRISTIAN.<br /><br />If you consider these people as Christian then the Amadiens and Bahai's and "Schizmatics" and that group that Abu Bakr wiped out after your prophets death for not paying Zikat, and the group that is in control of Syria and many others are MUSLIM.<br /><br />But the point remains, ROMAN CATHOLICS DO NOT CONSIDER MARY A GOD, nor DO THEY HAVE THREE OTHER GODS.<br /><br />Your ALlah Ibn Mohamed got it WRONG.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-58786229892452487302011-08-26T09:23:02.925-07:002011-08-26T09:23:02.925-07:00@1moremuslim
Ridicule Mod , you are in a state of...@1moremuslim<br /><br />Ridicule Mod , you are in a state of denial 24/7. <br /><br />So is that your response to my question?<br /><br />If so then I can move on and leave your in your state of total ignorance.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-11087723447026759592011-08-26T07:20:40.886-07:002011-08-26T07:20:40.886-07:00Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm
Although the Quran ...Bismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm<br /><br />Although the Quran has special chapter dedicated to Mary, muslims never fell into Mariolatry.<br /><br />Early christianity record Mariamites, Collyridian which consider Mary as God.<br /><br />You may say they are heretical and current trinitarian Christianity as the orthodox view true of trinitarian dogma but since evolution of this doctrine itself is very late development then the Quran is right in rejecting Jesusolatry as wll as Mariolatry.<br /><br /><br />*Mother of God*<br /><br />What do you make of that Mr. RadMod?<br /><br />WassalamErik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-18183430797820264752011-08-26T06:21:05.817-07:002011-08-26T06:21:05.817-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-13443618690117151462011-08-26T06:03:21.977-07:002011-08-26T06:03:21.977-07:00Ridicule Mod , you are in a state of denial 24/7....Ridicule Mod , you are in a state of denial 24/7.1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-80388512822092194992011-08-26T05:56:58.035-07:002011-08-26T05:56:58.035-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erik F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17137683935653473339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-69840755607419477312011-08-26T05:53:27.970-07:002011-08-26T05:53:27.970-07:001milimeter
Are you really this dense?
Amazing y...1milimeter<br /><br />Are you really this dense?<br /><br /><br />Amazing you do not even understand the argument that was being laid out.<br /><br />James white did not argue that Jesus Christ is God because people worship him. <br /><br />If I recall correctly the argument was put forward becasue of the lame muslim argument "Where did Jesus ever say he was GOd?".<br /><br />So James White and others points out that he accepted WORSHIP and that CHRISTIANS from the very onset worshiped him. This was not something that makes him GOD. WE worship him BECAUSE HE IS GOD.<br /><br />Now answer my question can someone worship something or someone who is NOT GOD? And if they do does that make what they are worshiping GOD?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-11619601892982584962011-08-26T05:46:49.759-07:002011-08-26T05:46:49.759-07:00Ridicule Moderate is now denying that Christians u...Ridicule Moderate is now denying that Christians use the argument of "being worship" to prove that he is God. Ironically , James White against this same Adnan Rasheed, was arguing that Jesus is God because people bow to him ( just like Catholics bow to Mary)1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-56064540504270193392011-08-26T04:21:27.200-07:002011-08-26T04:21:27.200-07:001milimeter
Something for you to contemplate.
Can...1milimeter<br /><br />Something for you to contemplate.<br /><br />Can someone worship someone or something that is NOT GOD? And by worshiping that someone or something do they make them or it GOD?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-11658560044347624582011-08-26T04:01:55.036-07:002011-08-26T04:01:55.036-07:001milimeter
Jesus is rightfully worshiped as GOd b...1milimeter<br /><br />Jesus is rightfully worshiped as GOd becasue he is GOD. He is not God becasue we worship him.<br /><br />Jesus can forgive sins becasue he is GOD, not becasue he can forgives sins.<br /><br />In other words he is God becasue he is GOD, not because of anything we do or do not do.<br /><br />Jesus is God because he has always been he is, and always will be God. He is eternaly begotten of the father and not created. He has a eternal relationship with the father as the Son, he was not created as the Son.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-48406190749699049322011-08-26T03:12:58.052-07:002011-08-26T03:12:58.052-07:00Ridicule Mod
Make sure I will not catch you saying...Ridicule Mod<br />Make sure I will not catch you saying that Jesus is God because he was worshiped ( like mary). Or Jesus is God because he forgives sin ( like Mary).1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-33176658527118321242011-08-26T03:01:59.131-07:002011-08-26T03:01:59.131-07:001Milimeter
I never said Catholics did not worship...1Milimeter<br /><br />I never said Catholics did not worship Mary, I said Catholics do not call Mary a GOD, nor do they believe that the Trintiy is THREE GODS and Mary is a Fourth GOD.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-61286679575808926212011-08-26T02:01:57.140-07:002011-08-26T02:01:57.140-07:00Ridicule Moderate:
Learn from your scholars:
CA...Ridicule Moderate: <br />Learn from your scholars:<br /><a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?amount=0&blogid=1&query=mary" rel="nofollow"> CAtholics don't worship Mary!</a>1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-4738858216178580932011-08-25T10:34:55.575-07:002011-08-25T10:34:55.575-07:00@ Erik Fadli
The communication of idioms should g...@ Erik Fadli<br /><br />The communication of idioms should give the answers to your stupid claims or else you can step into a catholic church an repeat your foolishness but don't be surprised if everyone laughs at you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-85001884719924513992011-08-25T06:32:24.171-07:002011-08-25T06:32:24.171-07:00Eric said...
"Alhamdulillah. So please detes...Eric said...<br /><br />"Alhamdulillah. So please detest those who say Jesus (p) is God."<br /><br />Why would I do that, since Jesus is GOD. I detest people like you who mis represent, what Christians believe and then attack that miss representation. I destest people like you who deny that Jesus is GOD.<br /><br />You then quote the catholic Catechism when it comes to Mary. So where exaclty in that Catechism do Catholics make Mary a GOD?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.com