tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post3278797972301471169..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: Did The Prophet Know He Was Going to Heaven? The Qur'an Gives The Answer!Yahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-74299125070948752432011-07-31T11:34:48.445-07:002011-07-31T11:34:48.445-07:00You said,
Is this the actions of somebody filled ...You said,<br /><br />Is this the actions of somebody filled with the holy spirit?<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />Actually pointing out that someone has no reason for their snubbing you other than the fact that they don’t like what you have to say is exactly the sort of thing someone who is influenced by the Holy Sprit would do. <br /><br /><br />Quote:<br /><br /><br />Jesus answered him, "If what I said is wrong, bear witness about the wrong; but if what I said is right, why do you strike me?" <br />(John 18:23)<br /><br />And <br /><br /><br /> But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." <br />(John 8:45-47)<br /><br />And<br /><br /><br />For you gladly bear with fools, being wise yourselves! For you bear it if someone makes slaves of you, or devours you, or takes advantage of you, or puts on airs, or strikes you in the face. To my shame, I must say, we were too weak for that! <br />(2 Corinthians 11:19-21a)<br /><br /><br /><br />End quote:<br /><br /><br />PeaceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-8370342261104141042011-07-31T11:05:45.877-07:002011-07-31T11:05:45.877-07:00FMM said:
Funny that you don't want to discus...FMM said:<br /><br />Funny that you don't want to discuss these things with the person you said was the most enjoyable Christian to talk to here.<br /><br />I say:<br /><br />I gave you a compliment and you use it against me. Is this the actions of somebody filled with the holy spirit? It's a rethorical question - no need to answer it. I gave you my reasons for ending the discussion. <br />I would've left your post unanswered, but couldn't help my self after reading that sentence.el Lobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14098361439605791982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-37447272482891907002011-07-31T07:49:20.737-07:002011-07-31T07:49:20.737-07:00You say:
Well the difference is that there is act...You say:<br /><br />Well the difference is that there is actual proof that the Bible has been changed in the form of actual manuscripts. <br /><br />I say, <br /><br />You say that yet you have been unable to provide any evidence that that is the case. Such a thing should be easy to come by. <br /><br />You say, <br /><br /><br />It's not like I'm basing my views on thin air, or just taking someone's word for it because it happens to suit my world view.<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />I think it is like that or you would be able to provide evidence. So far you have nothing but Lupus says that Erman says <br /><br />You say,<br /><br />I say:<br />Hughe difference. Last time I checked the Trinity was a core tenent of Christianity. <br /><br />I say,<br /><br />Are you saying the belief that Islam is the only true religion and all previous Prophets were Muslims is not a “core tenant” of Islam? You must believe this to be a Muslim yet you have no record of the true followers of Jesus being Muslim<br /><br /><br />You say, <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The Quran is consistent and clear about the core beliefs of Islam. None of the core beliefs were agreed upon 300 years after the prophet. <br /><br /><br />I say:<br /><br />How can you possibly know this given that scholarship says that the Quran we have today was repeatedly changed to make it consistent with Islamic dogma? <br /><br /><br />You say:<br /><br />Well, the problem is that we don't have any reliable records of Jesus at all. <br /><br />I say,<br /><br />Again with the inconsistency, you reject the historical record of Jesus despite the fact that the written gospels are many years closer in time to his life than the haddiths are to the life of Muhammad.<br /><br />You say <br /><br />Moreover, even if we had and he didn't mention our prophet by name isn't that quite different from the fact that he doesn't mention Paul by name. He sent him according to your scriptures. He didn't send Muhammad (sas). Allah did.<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />Lets examine your premise <br /><br />1) you said that the reason you expected Jesus to mention Paul by name is because Christians believe that Jesus was Omniscient (iow God). <br /><br />2) Christians believe that Jesus is God so there is no difference between being sent by God and being sent by Jesus as is evident from the NT itself (Gal 1:1, Romans 1:1, 1st Cor 1:1 etc)<br /><br />3) Jesus did mention Paul by name (Acts 9:1) <br /><br />You say,<br /><br />Thank you for having this discussion with me.<br /><br />I say,<br /><br /><br />The pleasure is all mine. Any time I am able to defend my Lord against attack it is a Joy <br /><br />You say, <br /><br />By the way concerning exploring my presuppositions (like you don't have any) thanks but no thanks.<br /><br /><br /><br />I say,<br /><br />I under stand. It can be very disconcerting to have the foundation of your worldview be shown to be built on the shifting sand of personal human facilities. <br /><br /><br />I agree that everyone has presuppositions but the difference is that mine have their origin in the Creator of the universe and are therefore guarantied to be consistent and to lead in the end to the truth. <br /><br />I think I’ve demonstrated that you can have no such confidence <br /><br />You say<br /><br />This will be my last post on this subject.<br /><br /><br />I say,<br /><br />That is a pity. Funny that you don't want to discuss these things with the person you said was the most enjoyable Christian to talk to here. <br /><br />If God chooses to show you mercy and you change your mind let me know. <br /><br />PeaceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-82239357423158333902011-07-30T16:15:00.414-07:002011-07-30T16:15:00.414-07:00FMM said:
You claim the NT is not well preserved ...FMM said:<br /><br />You claim the NT is not well preserved because of what Scholarship has to say but reject the same scholarship when it reveals that the Quran is in worse condition<br /><br />I say:<br />Well the difference is that there is actual proof that the Bible has been changed in the form of actual manuscripts. It's not like I'm basing my views on thin air, or just taking someone's word for it because it happens to suit my world view.<br /><br />FMM said:<br /><br />You claim that the Trinity was not defined early because we have no record of it and at the same time believe in an Islamic Christianity despite having no evidence.<br /><br />I say:<br />Hughe difference. Last time I checked the Trinity was a core tenent of Christianity. The Quran is consistent and clear about the core beliefs of Islam. None of the core beliefs were agreed upon 300 years after the prophet. <br /><br />You said:<br /><br />You reject Paul’s apostleship because we have no record of Jesus mentioning him by name yet you have no problem following Muhammad despite no mention by the historical Jesus.<br /><br />I say:<br /><br />Well, the problem is that we don't have any reliable records of Jesus at all. Moreover, even if we had and he didn't mention our prophet by name isn't that quite different from the fact that he doesn't mention Paul by name. He sent him according to your scriptures. He didn't send Muhammad (sas). Allah did.<br /><br />Thank you for having this discussion with me. By the way concerning exploring my presuppositions (like you don't have any) thanks but no thanks.<br />This will be my last post on this subject.el Lobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14098361439605791982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-43253710225089685532011-07-30T14:33:54.374-07:002011-07-30T14:33:54.374-07:00Hey lupus,
I really enjoyed our discussion.
I...Hey lupus,<br /><br /> I really enjoyed our discussion. <br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that you don‘t believe that it‘s possible for God to communicate with to his Children. <br /><br />The fact is the testimony of God is the only Epistemological foundation that I can think of that is not biased and subjective. <br /><br />No offence but I think basing your worldview on your own feelings ideas and senses is very dangerous. It is the very definition of Idolatry i.e. putting the creature (Lupus) in the place of God . <br /><br />Besides that when we begin with the creation instead of God our conclusions will always in the end be found to be in error.<br /><br /> I would be glad to entertain your arguments for your human centered approach to these things as long as you demonstrate that you could apply your presuppositions consistently. <br /><br />I think I’ve shown that you have not as of yet been able to do that. <br /><br />In our short conversation you demonstrated at least three gross inconsistencies. <br /><br />1) You claim the NT is not well preserved because of what Scholarship has to say but reject the same scholarship when it reveals that the Quran is in worse condition <br /><br />2) You claim that the Trinity was not defined early because we have no record of it and at the same time believe in an Islamic Christianity despite having no evidence.<br /><br />3) You reject Paul’s apostleship because we have no record of Jesus mentioning him by name yet you have no problem following Muhammad despite no mention by the historical Jesus <br /><br /><br />I am sure that if we were to continue our conversation the inconsistencies would only become more obvious. <br /><br /><br />If you change your mind I would love to continue to explore your presuppositions with you <br /><br />Let me know<br /><br />Again thanks and<br /><br />peaceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-32099997676860900402011-07-30T12:49:42.473-07:002011-07-30T12:49:42.473-07:00Hey FMM,
I tried to post a reply to some of your ...Hey FMM,<br /><br />I tried to post a reply to some of your comments, but the same thing happened to me. So we'll just have to see if they show up.<br />Anyways, I just want to let you know that I won't continue the discussion, because a person who tries the to prove the authenticity of the Bible with arguments like I'm filled with the holy ghost is impossible to have a fruitful discussion with.<br />I know that you provided more than just that argument, but that argument together with arguments like the testimony of my fellow believers just made me realize that I'm wasting my time.el Lobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14098361439605791982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-67050426825928759602011-07-30T06:45:32.487-07:002011-07-30T06:45:32.487-07:00Hey Sam,
Thanks for the response. The problem wit...Hey Sam,<br /><br />Thanks for the response. The problem with that explanation is I am still allowed to post on other threads. <br /><br />The moderaton seems to be tied to paticular threads and not my nick in general. <br /><br />For example I posted a couple of comments early friday in the thread where I was having the discussion with Lupus that have not shown up as yet. <br /><br />Yet my comments here come strait through. <br /> <br /><br />peace<br /><br />could someone do me a favor and post in that thread to see if they have the same difficulity?<br /><br />here it is <br /><br />http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/07/american-christian-bigots-and-female.html<br /><br /><br />thanks in advanceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-18444332975486564322011-07-29T22:59:25.019-07:002011-07-29T22:59:25.019-07:00fifth monarchy man ,
I believe if you post a coup...fifth monarchy man ,<br /><br />I believe if you post a couple of the same messages the system will recognise them as spam and it automatically directs the messages into the spam folder. Your nick will be flagged as a spammer.<br /><br />Bro yahya will then need to manually remove you from the spammer list and retrieve your messages.<br /><br />Best is that if your message didn't come out instantly , just give it a few hrs before you repost.<br /><br />Hope this is of some help.sam1528https://www.blogger.com/profile/01382805827344948691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-63041130969540023822011-07-29T15:57:42.549-07:002011-07-29T15:57:42.549-07:00Anthony Rogers:
The problem is that we have to te...Anthony Rogers:<br /><br />The problem is that we have to teach Christians their native English language first , then we have to teach them Arabic.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/may" rel="nofollow">World English Dictionary</a><br />May<br />5. to indicate result or purpose: used only in clauses introduced by that or so that : he writes so that the average reader may understand<br /><br />Anthony Rogers, If you are in your 40's and you still don't get a grip on your mother language, It's time for you to understand that you should stop discussing other people's language. There is no shred of evidence that S.48 expresses doubt. and there is no "Assa" either. Get at least a transliteration.1MoreMuslimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04831333084902899060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-23374532715414803682011-07-29T05:16:03.431-07:002011-07-29T05:16:03.431-07:00anon said:
That is doubly odd because my comments...anon said:<br /><br />That is doubly odd because my comments never require approval, they just post directly.<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />At the begining of a thread that is the case for me as well. <br /><br />Then often when I'm in the middle of a fruitful discussion suddenly the thread becomes moderated. I would like to know why this is the case <br /><br />you said,<br /><br />Why are your comments pending approval?<br /><br />I say,<br /><br />I wish I knew and I also would like to know why it takes so long for approval to be granted. <br /><br /><br />peaceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-77531556627516060272011-07-29T04:56:34.289-07:002011-07-29T04:56:34.289-07:00As the song goes, Mohamed can
"KEEP A KNOCKI...As the song goes, Mohamed can <br />"KEEP A KNOCKIN BUT HE CANT COME IN"Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-84191529335147411222011-07-28T23:24:49.918-07:002011-07-28T23:24:49.918-07:00FMM,
That is doubly odd because my comments never...FMM,<br /><br />That is doubly odd because my comments never require approval, they just post directly. Why are your comments pending approval?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-60363293155106286272011-07-28T20:35:27.897-07:002011-07-28T20:35:27.897-07:00http://www.youtube.com/user/MrIslamAnswersback#p/u...http://www.youtube.com/user/MrIslamAnswersback#p/uAlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03587980913713321044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-873475813818100602011-07-28T19:08:20.764-07:002011-07-28T19:08:20.764-07:00Muhammad might be the first to knock, but if he wi...Muhammad might be the first to knock, but if he will not be saved then he will also be the first person to be turned away. <br /><br />(Muhammad) knock! knock!<br /><br />(Jibril) Who is there?<br /><br />(Muhammad): It's me, good old buddy.<br /><br />(Jibril): Sorry, we had some good times, but Allah isn't too pleased with you. There is a place prepared for you next to Iblis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-28397930453243953972011-07-28T07:34:48.274-07:002011-07-28T07:34:48.274-07:00Hey RM,
I thought I posted a total of about 5 com...Hey RM,<br /><br />I thought I posted a total of about 5 comments (some long some short) in the conversation I was having with Lupus. <br /><br />I recieved a notice that they were awaiting the approval of the blog owner. That was two days ago.<br /><br />It all seems strange too me <br /><br />peaceFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-26811894431218656592011-07-27T20:22:53.863-07:002011-07-27T20:22:53.863-07:00FMM
Are they long comments. I have noticed that bl...FMM<br />Are they long comments. I have noticed that blogger sometimes says it posts long comments and they even show up as posted but when you refresh the go poof into the ether.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-34123105555072080872011-07-27T20:04:48.148-07:002011-07-27T20:04:48.148-07:00yahya
Is there a reason why somtimes my comments ...yahya<br /><br />Is there a reason why somtimes my comments fail to show up?Fifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-71922417934691241282011-07-27T20:03:09.744-07:002011-07-27T20:03:09.744-07:00testtestFifth Monarchy Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11490334525087698221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-39390272815325339192011-07-27T18:13:43.198-07:002011-07-27T18:13:43.198-07:00RefutingActs17, another hadith you could use is a ...RefutingActs17, another hadith you could use is a hadith in Sunan Ad-Daarimi, Number 50 and Musnad Abi Ya'la narrated that Anas Malik said that the Prophet said that he will be the first to knock on the gate of paradise. (Sheikh Albaani & Abu Esa At-Tirmidhi Declared it Saheeh in Silsilah As-Saheeha, #1570).<br /><br />More narrations are located in Tabari's tafseer: http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=1&tSoraNo=108&tAyahNo=1&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-20961982747749193492011-07-27T15:50:32.321-07:002011-07-27T15:50:32.321-07:00My response is in the other thread.My response is in the other thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-21111817755543119102011-07-27T15:29:00.789-07:002011-07-27T15:29:00.789-07:00@Nak
Mohamed (SAW NOTHING) LOL oh thats good.@Nak<br /><br />Mohamed (SAW NOTHING) LOL oh thats good.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-3205571075709606312011-07-27T14:34:30.553-07:002011-07-27T14:34:30.553-07:00Wrong. 25:15-16 guarantees Jannah to non-martyrs. ...<b>Wrong. 25:15-16 guarantees Jannah to non-martyrs. </b><br /><br />No It doesn’t. Get with the program! All it says is that Paradise is for the “godfearing”. But the question is, who are godfearing enough? YOU DON’T KNOW! Hence you can’t know if your prophet is in Paradise. <br /><br /><b>That's an illogical argument since if I die as a believer, it necessarily follows that I have satisfied "many factors: scales, good deeds vs bad deeds, etc". <br />Actually, 19:71-72 refers to the Sirat over hellfire that everyone will cross. Only the believers will make it out safely, with those with more Iman crossing it faster than those with less. Anyway, even if your supposition is true, it still follows that ultimately all believers will end up in Paradise, just as Allah promised. Moreover, there is a hadith which says that as long as a person has faith in his heart "equal to the weight of a barley grain", he will ultimately enter Paradise. </b><br /><br />NO and NO. dying as a believer says nothing about your good deeds and bad deeds, the scales, Allah’s decree, etc. And 19:71-72 doesn’t say that you will “cross over” hellfire. Let’s see what it does say:<br /><br /><i>Not one of you there is, but he shall GO DOWN <b>TO IT</b>; that for thy Lord is a thing decreed, determined. Then We shall deliver those that were godfearing; and the evildoers We shall <b>LEAVE THERE</b>, hobbling on their knees.</i><br /><br />This clearly says that you are guaranteed you will GO DOWN TO HELL, not just cross over. AND it goes on to say that Allah will deliver the godfearing but those that are evildoers WILL BE LEFT THERE. This can only mean that the godfearing and the evildoers are put in hell together, but only the godfearing will be taken out. Question: How do you know that you were godfearing enough?<br /><br /><b>All things considered, believers will ultimately end up in Paradise. My argument still stands. <br /><br />Come one NakdimoRon! I thought that after all this time you'd be able to come up with something better. Instead, you are as big a dumbass as ever! </b><br /><br />LOL. Yeah and while you are calling me a dumbass you’re getting pummeled with your own sources. It would have been funny if it weren’t so sad.Nakdimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00300799218553950149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-17452064106749955612011-07-27T14:33:39.412-07:002011-07-27T14:33:39.412-07:00Anonymous aka Ibn Shaytan writes: Your main point...Anonymous aka Ibn Shaytan writes: <b> Your main point is, we don't know the state in which Muhammad(saw) died. The fact is Allah describes Muhammad(saw) as the foremost of those who believe (6:14, 6:163, 39:11-12). Given that whatever Allah says embodies foreknowledge, it necessarily follows Muhammad(saw) both lived and died as a believer. This is reinforced by the fact that if Muhammad(saw) at any point had lied about Allah, he would have dropped dead instantly (69:45-46).</b><br /><br />Muhammad being the foremost of the believers says nothing about his eternal destination. Since all believers will go to hell (we will get to this text later) says nothing about Mo making it into paradise and nothing about his state of belief when he died. Which brings us to the text you so haply referred to thinking that it actually helps your case: <br /><br /><i>And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, <b>THEN WE WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF HIS AORTA.</b> </i>(69:44-46)<br /><br />This verse doesn’t mean that he would drop dead instantly, stop lying! So we see here that Allah promises to cut off Muhammad’s (saw nothing) aorta/main artery/jugular vein if he would invent things about Allah. Lo and behold what Muhammad (saw nothing) says on his death bed according to your “most authentic” sources of his sayings: <br /><br /><i>Narrated Ibn Abbas: 'Umar bin Al-Khattab used to let Ibn Abbas sit beside him, so 'AbdurRahman bin 'Auf said to 'Umar, "We have sons similar to him." 'Umar replied, "(I respect him) because of his status that you know." … Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I STILL FEEL THE PAIN CAUSED BY THE FOOD I ATE AT KHAIBAR, AND AT THIS TIME, I FEEL AS IF MY AORTA IS BEING CUT FROM THAT POISON."</i> (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 713)<br /><br /><i>Narrated AbuSalamah: Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of AbuSalamah, and he did not mention the name of AbuHurayrah: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah). This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) ate of it and the people also ate. … He then said about the pain of which he died: I CONTINUED TO FEEL PAIN FROM THE MORSEL WHICH I HAD EATEN AT KHAYBAR. <b>THIS IS THE TIME WHEN IT HAS CUT OFF MY AORTA</b>.</i> (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 39, Number 4498)<br /><br />Note that this is not only a sahih hadith but on top of that it’s a mutawatir hadith as well. Now mind the near impossibility here. Muhammad (saw nothing) tried to pin the suffering and pain of his aorta being cut off to the poison he consumed three years before this event. A pain so severe it made him delusional: <br /><br /><i>When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, <b>THE PROPHET SAID: "COME NEAR LET ME WRITE FOR YOU A WRITING AFTER WHICH YOU WILL NEVER GO ASTRAY</b>." ...</i> (Sahih al Bukhari Volume 9 hadith number 468)<br /><br />So the unlettered prophet wants to write something for the people and on top of that he wanted to do so to prevent people to go astray while he had been delivering guidance, the Quran, for 23 years. Was he delusional or what?<br /><br />But I think Muhammad (saw nothing) had a good clue that it wasn’t the poison that killed him. Allah promises to cut off Mo’s (saw nothing) main artery and so it happened. From this information it seems that Mo (saw nothing) died anything but a true believer. So sorry sonny-boy. None of your sources say he died a believer. In fact, based on the above information he met his promised demise and we can all read what led to it in the Quran, specifically 69:44-46. So since your prophet died the exact way Allah promised in the Quran if he would invent stuff, how are you to tell how much Muhammad (saw nothing) invented of the Quran you’re reading today?Nakdimonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00300799218553950149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-5153597666118429642011-07-27T12:03:58.289-07:002011-07-27T12:03:58.289-07:00Nakdimoron:...you cant know in what state someone ...Nakdimoron:...you cant know in what state someone died. Hence, you cant say anyone made it into Jannah, INCLUDING YOUR PROFIT! Although you may HOPE he died a believer, fact of the matter is that you don’t know in which state he died! <br /><br />Your main point is, we don't know the state in which Muhammad(saw) died. The fact is Allah describes Muhammad(saw) as the foremost of those who believe (6:14, 6:163, 39:11-12). Given that whatever Allah says embodies foreknowledge, it necessarily follows Muhammad(saw) both lived and died as a believer. This is reinforced by the fact that if Muhammad(saw) at any point had lied about Allah, he would have dropped dead instantly (69:45-46). <br /><br />NakdiMoron: As for your fable that every believer is guaranteed a place in Jannah by default on the basis that he is a believer when he dies is also nonsense. The only verse that has a promise “binding upon Allah” is the verse that talks about slaying and being slain for Allah’s cause, i.e. martyrdom Islamic style!<br /><br />Wrong. 25:15-16 guarantees Jannah to non-martyrs. <br /><br />NakdimoRon: The rest depends on many factors: scales, good deeds vs bad deeds, Allah’s decree, etc. Given all this there is no guarantee that you will make it into Jannah even if you die as a believer. <br /><br />That's an illogical argument since if I die as a believer, it necessarily follows that I have satisfied "many factors: scales, good deeds vs bad deeds, etc". <br /><br />Nakdimoron: Lastly, the Quran guarantees you will enter hell and according to Surah 19:68-72 ONLY the godfearing will be taken out. Question: How do you know you were godfearing enough upon death? YOU DON’T! Hence you have no guarantee that you will enter Paradise, sonny-boy. Allah made it appear to you perhaps? <br /><br />Actually, 19:71-72 refers to the Sirat over hellfire that everyone will cross. Only the believers will make it out safely, with those with more Iman crossing it faster than those with less. Anyway, even if your supposition is true, it still follows that ultimately all believers will end up in Paradise, just as Allah promised. Moreover, there is a hadith which says that as long as a person has faith in his heart "equal to the weight of a barley grain", he will ultimately enter Paradise. <br /><br />All things considered, believers will ultimately end up in Paradise. My argument still stands. <br /><br />Come one NakdimoRon! I thought that after all this time you'd be able to come up with something better. Instead, you are as big a dumbass as ever!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-60190646029579789462011-07-27T10:28:48.223-07:002011-07-27T10:28:48.223-07:00Radmod said:
This is classic, I think that call t...Radmod said:<br /><br />This is classic, I think that call this the Kansas City Shuffel. Get them to look right while you go left.<br /><br />Amazing ask about surah 108 and then say he mis interpreted surah 46.<br /><br />I say:<br /><br />I must admit that many of your comments are quite humorous. You seem to have a talent for making funny remarks.el Lobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14098361439605791982noreply@blogger.com