tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post3624832124965401347..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: The Usama Dakdok Scandal on ABN SATYahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-13680596763194649982011-08-08T15:57:53.328-07:002011-08-08T15:57:53.328-07:00I'm not a Muslim, but even I could destroy him...I'm not a Muslim, but even I could destroy him in an argument. Some people would rather be loud and blind than see what's in front of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-64985064469047423902011-03-07T12:47:50.753-08:002011-03-07T12:47:50.753-08:00St. Luke’s Lutheran Church
PRESENTS
Usama K. Dakdo...St. Luke’s Lutheran Church<br />PRESENTS<br />Usama K. Dakdok<br />Muslim Evangelism Specialist<br />The Straight Way of Grace Ministry,<br />Inc.<br />http://www.thestraightway.org<br />What is the truth behind what the media and the moderate Muslims are telling us?<br />Why is Islam growing in America and the world?<br />Can Allah be God? Who is Jesus in the Qur’an?<br />Is Mohammed a true prophet? Does the Qur’an teach that Jesus died on the cross?<br />Can the Qur’an be understood without reading the Bible?<br />Can the Qur’an be God’s Word? What does the Qur’an teach about terrorism?<br /> What is the Hadith?<br />Revealing theTruth About Islam<br />Our foundational presentation.<br />This seminar provides a broad overview of the history, the teachings, and the current condition/goals of Islam in the world.<br />Join us in understanding what the Muslims believe and how to point them to Christ<br />Or how to confront them with their Own Qur’an<br />St. Luke’s Lutheran Church<br />2021 W. State Road 426<br />Oviedo, FL 32765<br />407- 365-3408<br />January 6, 2011<br />7:00 pm<br />Rooms A & B<br />Pastor Usama K. Dakdok was born in Egypt and raised in a Christian home as the son of a Baptist pastor. He became a Christian at the age of eleven. Usama learned about Islam in school because it was,and still is, a mandatory subject.To further his knowledge of Islam, he studied Islamic law in college. Usama came to the United States in<br />1992 after his marriage to Vicki, an American whom he met in Germany, where they were both in a full-time ministry. In 1997 they were blessed with a son, Caleb. Usama holds a Bachelor's Degree in Theology and a master's Degree in Missiology from New<br />Orleans Baptist Theological SeminarAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-90727484125014226822010-10-27T04:56:51.562-07:002010-10-27T04:56:51.562-07:00this usama dakdouk man is crazythis usama dakdouk man is crazymannynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-44654973426240194262010-10-24T03:56:40.029-07:002010-10-24T03:56:40.029-07:00thefatman ,
TQ for admitting that you 'fear&#...thefatman ,<br /><br />TQ for admitting that you 'fear' the laws in the church 'doctrine of perpetual servitude'.<br /><br />Its ironic<br />(1) the 'Pact of Umar(ra)' has its conditions made up and imposed by the christians themselves. You cry foul even though its very clear the christians goofed up in the negotiations for the Points Of Agreement<br />(2) the church has been practicing the 'doctrine of perpetual servitude' but no condemnation from you just 'fear'.<br /><br />Your double standards is extremely glaring.sam1528https://www.blogger.com/profile/01382805827344948691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-44190241367222528832010-10-24T00:21:15.260-07:002010-10-24T00:21:15.260-07:00thefatman ,
This is so funny.
From you '..Sa...thefatman ,<br /><br />This is so funny.<br /><br />From you '..Sam1528 is now arguing in favor or Christians imposing this on themselves voluntarily. Yeah like that makes sense since Ibn Kathir says Umar "DEMANDED" of the Christians. If something is Demanded it can not be voluntary..'<br /><br />Hmm , you have totally disregarded what I stated. I can understand , 2cor12:16 comes to mind.<br /><br />From you , excerpts from Ibn Kathir<br />'..This is a document to the servant of Allah `Umar, the Leader of the faithful, from the Christians of such and such city. When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. WE MADE A CONDITION ON OURSELVES that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery..'<br /><br />The christians goofed up in their negotiations , made up and imposed such upon themselves then sign / sealed the contract.<br /><br />Caliph Umar(ra) only added (from you again ;<br />'..`Umar, he added to it, `We will not beat any Muslim..'<br /><br />Of course Caliph Umar(ra)DEMANDED his well-known conditions be met by the Christians. The christians already goofed up and sign upon it. Why should Caliph Umar(ra) NOT DEMAND for the Points Of Agreement of the already signed / sealed contract?<br /><br />A pattern is emerging here. You are ducking and weaving hoping for the last word which you think makes your argument truthful.sam1528https://www.blogger.com/profile/01382805827344948691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-92016458619189086302010-10-23T17:42:18.327-07:002010-10-23T17:42:18.327-07:00Sam1528 I finally looked up " church doctrine...Sam1528 I finally looked up " church doctrine of perpetual servitude" And I believe I already answered that in a previous post dated 22 October 2010 14:54.<br /><br />"Let me put it to you this way. If yuo brought up some laws from the Middle ages that dealt with blasphemy and burnning withces at the stake and asked me "Should I fear these laws"<br /><br />I WOULD ANSWER YES YOU SHOULD FEAR THEM AS I DO."<br /><br />So yes I would oppose anything like the doctrine of perpetual servitude, and yes I would fear it as should you.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-80026129496193820162010-10-23T17:18:09.610-07:002010-10-23T17:18:09.610-07:00Wilbur Wilbur Wilbur
As far as your points of goi...Wilbur Wilbur Wilbur<br /><br />As far as your points of going over the OT law. THANK GOD CHRIST MADE RIGHTEOUS FROM THE LAW.<br /><br />Yes I do not live under that LAW sir, I live under the faith in Christ. <br /><br />So yes I would fear as you should fear anyone who would want to impose this law on mankind.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-83543974611259279682010-10-23T17:16:25.894-07:002010-10-23T17:16:25.894-07:00Wilbur Wilbur Wilbur
First lets take a look here ...Wilbur Wilbur Wilbur<br /><br />First lets take a look here at what the Shaffi school says. <br /><br />(1) are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;<br />(2) are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);<br />(3) are not greeted with "as-Salamu 'alaykum";<br />(4) must keep to the side of the street;<br />(5) may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims' buildings, though if they acquire a tall house,<br />it is not razed;<br />(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite<br />the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;<br />(7) and are forbidden to build new churches.<br /><br />Although point 6 is a concern for the fact it says "A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite<br />the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;" The part about pork is the least of my worries. <br /><br />Points 2,4,5 and 7 as well as well as the part about reading the Torah and NT out loud in point 6 are my main concern.<br /><br />So WILBUR should I fear those points from Muslims who wish to practice that as part of Sharia Law?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-33736548555321431542010-10-23T16:00:26.338-07:002010-10-23T16:00:26.338-07:00@Jeff, (previously known as "Fatman")
B...@Jeff, (previously known as "Fatman")<br /><br />Brother Jeff, are you not a Christian? I'm sure you have been claiming to be a Christian.<br /><br />Now, I'm calling youto consistency. You are worried about what Shafi scholars deemed to be a satisfactory way of residing with non-Muslims? Why are you so concerned about whether they were allowed to openly eat pork and drink wine or not?<br /><br />Firstly, I would like to state eating pork is a health risk (a quite substantive risk during those times), as for alcohol, we BOTH know alcohol is a risk factor for cancer! (you SHOULD know this if you read my response to Shamoun's shoddy response to Nadir's alcohol argument)<br /><br />So, Jeff, I am telling you to get your priorities straight and show a bite of consistency!<br /><br />YOU believe your 3in1 gd sent Moses to KILL a group of ppl. Now, being forbidden to eat prok inpublic is insiginifcant in comparison, right?<br /><br />Jeff, how about if you are a gay (I know you are not):<br /><br />"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)<br /><br />Now, Jeff, Mulims are not accepting of gays so lets move onto another one. What about those who strike their fathers?<br /><br />Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)<br />Are you still concerned about the attire of non-Muslims living in Muslim lands in the past? You are looking rather silly now, aren't you, Jeff?<br /><br />Here is another one, killing non-believers, Jeff...let's hope the fundamentalist crowd you hang with does not get in power:<br /><br />They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)<br /><br />Are you seriously telling me you are worried about what non-Muslims wore in the past and whether they were allowed to get drunk and poison their livers in public or not? I guess you are rather fond of this cancer risk factor. Jeff seen as you are such a fan of prok...what about Jesus who sent devils into pigs according to your NT? (see Mark 5:12-13)<br /><br />Now, Jeff may say; Yahya, that was in the past...OK, Jeff. Do you NOT believe you and your man-god will destroy disbelievers in the future? <br /><br />Now, now, Jeff...why am I not on christian forums asking about how Trinitarians will treat me near the end times...I will tell you, because I know their eschatology is skewed and Muslims are the people who will be allied with Jesus...thus I have no real regard for your eschatology (except an academic regard)<br /><br />Why are you worried about sharia...is it becasue in your heart you are worried the Muslims are right and Trinitarianism has no basis at all.<br /><br />Have a searched for a fellow named Dr Jerald Dirks...and listen to him<br /><br />Peace and LOVEYahya Snowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-45820696656750304632010-10-23T14:06:52.483-07:002010-10-23T14:06:52.483-07:00Ibn you have been weighed you have been measured a...Ibn you have been weighed you have been measured and you have been found wanting.<br /><br />So that leaves Womanoftruth and possibly Sam1528, not even going to bother with Yahya Snow.<br /><br />So you two care to answer my questions or are you going to throw in the towel like IBN?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-23856542892383640732010-10-23T10:57:10.206-07:002010-10-23T10:57:10.206-07:00Ibn: Banana is yellow.
Fatman: Banana is redIbn: Banana is yellow.<br /><br />Fatman: Banana is redUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-1424628929280136422010-10-23T07:01:00.489-07:002010-10-23T07:01:00.489-07:00Well it looks like IBN through in the towel. Sam15...Well it looks like IBN through in the towel. Sam1528 is now arguing in favor or Christians imposing this on themselves voluntarily. Yeah like that makes sense since Ibn Kathir says Umar "DEMANDED" of the Christians. If something is Demanded it can not be voluntary.<br /><br />So what about you Womanoftruth or even you Sam1528 can you answer my questions.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-75193497061571732912010-10-23T04:30:17.888-07:002010-10-23T04:30:17.888-07:00thefatman,
From you ,
'..Sam1528 WOW, you arg...thefatman,<br /><br />From you ,<br />'..Sam1528 WOW, you argue that the pact is a fake, but its not because the Christians made the conditions on themselves. But it has still been proven to be a fake?..'<br /><br />You are one funny person. This is what I said '..Like I stated earlier , I am ok either way. No issues with me..'<br /><br />I stated that the 'The Pact of Umar(ra)' was / is a fake. However I am willing to discuss about it as if its authentic. <br /><br />Looks like you are running around in circles beating around the bush.<br /><br />You insisted on Tafseer Ibn Kathir. No problems with me. The evidence from the tafseer confirm that it was the christians who made up such restrictive conditions and imposed it upon themselves. You somehow or rather cannot accept it. Hey , we are discussing based on the document you insisted on using. <br /><br />Based on the evidence (the document that you insisted on using) the christians goofed up badly in their negotiations , you cannot accept the facts.<br /><br />Too bad dude ... you can't change historical evidence. Don't you wish you could?sam1528https://www.blogger.com/profile/01382805827344948691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-67635754966908699892010-10-23T04:13:25.723-07:002010-10-23T04:13:25.723-07:00thefatman ,
You should change your nick to 't...thefatman ,<br /><br />You should change your nick to 'thefunnyman'.<br /><br />You have been ducking and weaving trying to avoid the the reality with regards to the 'Pact of Umar(ra)'<br /><br />Lets try again. My stand is that the so called 'Pact of Umar(ra) is a forgery. However for the sake of argument , lets consider it 'the real deal'<br /><br />Why are you still making so much fuss about me stating its a forgery? I already told you that I am prepared to discuss about it as if its genuine.<br /><br />You cite the Tafseer of Ibn Kathir (we are not talking about any orientalist / western scholars. This is from you <br />'..Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, DEMANDED his well-known conditions be met by the Christians,..'<br />'..When you (Muslims) came to us we requested safety for ourselves, children, property and followers of our religion. WE MADE A CONDITION ON OURSELVES that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk..'<br /><br />It is very clear , the christians made the conditions and imposed it upon themselves. In other words , the christians goofed up in their contract negotiations. They voluntarily imposed such conditions on themselves and signed the agreement. Caliph Umar(ra) did not do anything wrong. He DEMANDED the conditions per the points of agreement of the contract / agreement be met by the christians after the contract has been signed / sealed.<br /><br />The crux of the issue is the christians goofed up badly in their negotiations. Why complain? Its the problem of the christians not muslims.<br /><br />You want to focus on Ibn Kathir but when it has been proven that it was the christians who imposed the restrictive conditions upon themselves , 'WE MADE A CONDITION ON OURSELVES' , you cannot and don't want to accept the facts.<br /><br />The evidence from the source that you insisted on using shows that it was the christians who groofed up in their negotiation in 'The Pact of Umar(ra)' , you then turn around and refuse to accept the facts. You are one funny person. <br /><br />Still not wanting to comment of the church doctrine of perpetual servitude I see.sam1528https://www.blogger.com/profile/01382805827344948691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-55966707262726153972010-10-22T16:36:29.887-07:002010-10-22T16:36:29.887-07:00Ibn
So you refuse to answer question. So sad you ...Ibn<br /><br />So you refuse to answer question. So sad you are so ashamed of your religion.Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-71362666925765086542010-10-22T16:26:31.599-07:002010-10-22T16:26:31.599-07:00"Wise men talk because they have something to..."Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-49676974104565699932010-10-22T15:40:02.178-07:002010-10-22T15:40:02.178-07:00Ibn (Continued)
The Shaffi School also teaches th...Ibn (Continued)<br /><br />The Shaffi School also teaches that Dihmi's are to follow these rules.<br /><br />o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and<br />indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:<br />(1) are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;<br />(2) are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);<br />(3) are not greeted with "as-Salamu 'alaykum";<br />(4) must keep to the side of the street;<br />(5) may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims' buildings, though if they acquire a tall house,<br />it is not razed;<br />(6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite<br />the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;<br />(7) and are forbidden to build new churches.<br /><br />Second Question <br /><br />Does your flavor "feeling" of Islam<br />agree that this is how Dhimi's are to be treated?<br /><br />I am not presupposing anything I am honestly asking a question do you agree or disagree with this on how Dihmimi's are to be treated. <br /><br />Please feel free to correct any spelling mistakes. Thanks againRadical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-87875154849820528992010-10-22T15:33:33.894-07:002010-10-22T15:33:33.894-07:00Ibn
Wow why are you so afraid to answer the quest...Ibn<br /><br />Wow why are you so afraid to answer the question, why do you continue with these ad homeniums (please correct my spelling again)<br /><br />Ok let me make it simple for you.<br /><br />The Shaffi school of Islamic Jurisprudence states that Dhimni's (those in protective status) are of the following.<br /><br />011.1 A formal agreement of protection is made with citizens who are:<br />(1) Jews;<br />(2) Christians;<br />(3) Zoroastrians;<br />(4) Samarians and Sabians, if their religions do not respectively contradict the fundamental bases of<br />Judaism and Christianity;<br />(5) and those who adhere to the religion of Abraham or one of the other prophets (upon whom be<br />blessings and peace).<br /><br />First Question,<br />Does your "feeling" of Islam agree with that?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-51115016212136669202010-10-22T15:22:07.971-07:002010-10-22T15:22:07.971-07:00FatMan's ramblings remind be of Abraham Simpso...FatMan's ramblings remind be of Abraham Simpson.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-50844359631732082412010-10-22T14:54:50.740-07:002010-10-22T14:54:50.740-07:00Ibn
Why are you running from these questoins?
L...Ibn <br /><br />Why are you running from these questoins?<br /><br />Let me put it to you this way. If yuo brought up some laws from the Middle ages that dealt with blasphemy and burnning withces at the stake and asked me "Should I fear these laws"<br /><br />I WOULD ANSWER YES YOU SHOULD FEAR THEM AS I DO.<br /><br />See that wasnt hard.<br /><br />So how is this a fallacy. <br /><br />There are Muslims who follow Ibn Kathir, you dont or at least you dismiss his commentary on Surah 9:29. Ok that's great your a peaceful hipy Muslim. <br /><br />There are Muslims who follow the Shafi and Hanif School of Islamic Jurisprudence. You don't thats great but there are Muslims who do.<br /><br />So the question is Should I fear these Muslims who follow these Islamic teachings even if you don't?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-51642095005368511802010-10-22T14:33:41.796-07:002010-10-22T14:33:41.796-07:00ManFat: So tell me should I FEAR THESE MUSLIMS?
G...ManFat: So tell me should I FEAR THESE MUSLIMS?<br /><br />Good Lord Almighty! I just pointed out that that's question begging!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-82818855043795337772010-10-22T14:27:33.984-07:002010-10-22T14:27:33.984-07:00IBN
Thanks again for correcting my spelling.
Bu...IBN<br /><br />Thanks again for correcting my spelling. <br /><br />But once again you fail to answer the question.<br /><br />Ok for arguments sake I agree with you that your flavor, your feeling of Islam is all peace and love and happiness.<br /><br />However as you pointed out that Islam is not a Monolith. So others do not believe in your flavor "feeling" of Islam.<br /><br />They actually follow The Shaffi, Haniff school of Islamic Jurisprudence, as well as Ibn Kathir.<br /><br />So tell me should I FEAR THESE MUSLIMS?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-10501137574093597052010-10-22T14:13:01.393-07:002010-10-22T14:13:01.393-07:00Fatman's posts are riddled with fallacies. For...Fatman's posts are riddled with fallacies. For example, "How can it be a fake sir if Ibn Kathir sites it, how can it be a fake if the Shaffi school as well as the Hanifi school user parts of it?"<br /><br />This is question begging since it presupposes that anything Ibn Kathir cites (not "sites" you illiterate doofus, get the spelling right!) or the Hanafi school uses is necessarily authentic. <br /><br />Here's more. "Should I fear the Islamic "feeling" that teaches what Ibn Kathir and the Shaffi school of islamic thought teach on the treatment of Dihimmi's? Would you Muslims living in the west want to live under such conditions?"<br /><br />This is a combination of question begging and an ad hominem circumstantial. Question begging, because it presupposes that there has to be a school in Islam that ought to be feared. And ad hominem circumstantial for the following line of reasoning: "Would you Muslims living in the West want to live under such conditions? If not, then how can you endorse the pact of Umar?"<br /><br />So Fatman is not only bad at spelling, he also doesn't know how to logically argue. That's what you get for being under the tutelage of that violent convict Wood and the psychotic Nabeel Querishi. <br /><br />God these Islamophobes are brainwashed!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07459995709666677792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-25300744264649017782010-10-22T13:04:39.104-07:002010-10-22T13:04:39.104-07:00Sam1528 WOW, you argue that the pact is a fake, bu...Sam1528 WOW, you argue that the pact is a fake, but its not because the Christians made the conditions on themselves. But it has still been proven to be a fake?<br /><br />"And the Wheels on the buss go round and round, round and round round and round"Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-10992899421784293602010-10-22T12:28:02.184-07:002010-10-22T12:28:02.184-07:00Womanoftruth
I have looked over your use of this ...Womanoftruth<br /><br />I have looked over your use of this "Modern Muslim (cough cough) Scholar."<br /><br />All I can say is that's great you follow this Islamic "Feeling". others however DON"T<br /><br />So you disregard Ibn Kathir, the Shaffi and Hannif school of Islamic Jurisprudence. Tell me what about those that don't through these scholars under the buss. Please answer my questions.<br /><br />Should I fear the Islamic "feeling" that teaches what Ibn Kathir and the Shaffi school of islamic thought teach on the treatment of Dihimmi's?<br /><br />Would you Muslims living in the west want to live under such conditions?<br /><br />And finally <br /><br />So I can be Killed, Sold into slavery or ransomed off in exchange for a Muslim Prisoner of war.<br /><br />Muslims do you think that is fair treatment for breaking any of the "Dihimitude laws"?Radical Moderatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01563355121096154790noreply@blogger.com