tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post7843446375876769248..comments2023-11-09T05:50:27.936-08:00Comments on The Facts About Islam: Did Prophet Muhammed Hit or Strike His Wife, Aisha?Yahya Snowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18373097645466995642noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-57653153514682883672012-07-03T06:34:22.534-07:002012-07-03T06:34:22.534-07:00Jazak Allah khair for explaining this. I needed th...Jazak Allah khair for explaining this. I needed that. As for those who don't get it, their ego is their problem. They don't come to seek knowledge. They come to criticise for the sake of criticizing. Don't mind them. I for one have learned what I came to learn.Zaibunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-18776638698992763782011-08-02T07:06:32.663-07:002011-08-02T07:06:32.663-07:00salaam alaikum brother,
did you read the quran434...salaam alaikum brother,<br /><br />did you read the quran434 research paper. after a detailed research this is the translation they have come up with. <br /><br />The men are supporters/maintainers of the women with what God bestowed on some of them over others and with what they spent of their money, so the righteous women are dutiful; guardians to the unseen with what God guarded. And as for those women you fear their disloyalty, then: (first) you shall advise them, and (second) abandon them in the bed, and (lastly) cite them (to the authority). If they obeyed you, then seek not against them a way; Truly, God is High, Great. [4:34]<br /><br />still it's not close to original Arabic but it seems a good attmpt.<br /><br />and the verse 4:35<br /><br />And if you (authority) feared a rift between them two, then appoint a judge from his family and a judge from hers. If they both want to reconcile, then God will bring agreement between them. God is Knowledgeable, Expert. [4:35]<br /><br />what do you think<br /><br />ramadan kareem to every one<br /><br />shrit110<br />http://www.youtube.com/user/shrit110shrit110https://www.blogger.com/profile/14178744041851208815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-27418838051332192032010-11-23T16:31:51.271-08:002010-11-23T16:31:51.271-08:00It is amazing that the haters of the Blessed Proph...It is amazing that the haters of the Blessed Prophet Muhammed pick and choose a single line from the hadith and build up an entirely false case with no solid grounding to it. If we analyze the whole hadith, we see that on the night when it was Sayyidah Aaisha's turn, the Prophet left her house and visited the graveyard to pray for those believers who had already left this world. On returning, the Prophet realized that Aaisha had followed him. He asked her and she affirmed and he pushed her in the chest.The reason behind this was that the Prophet was the guardian of his family. He obviously did not like his wife Aaisha leaving the house following him during the night time. He cared so much for her that he pushed/struck her mildly in the chest which caused her some pain. The amazing thing is the last part of the hadith. After this, Aaisha asks the Prophet to teach her the prayer for the forgiveness of the dead. The conversation between them continued after the “push” and Aaisha, instead of getting offended, is asking the Prophet to teach her the prayer so that she could also pray for the dead believers. This whole issue does not even resemble a friction between husband and wife, let alone the hypothetical wife-beating situation concocted by these haters. The Prophet was so caring that when he was ordered by Allah to visit the graveyard and seek forgiveness for the dead, he did not wake her up lest her sleep be disturbed or she got frightened. I remember that as a child, when I did some silly things, my mother would twist my ear or hit me and I felt some pain but I would still laugh at it. While crossing the road, she would clasp my hand so hard that I would feel pain but behind all her actions, I knew that there was this element of overflowing love and care. Similarly, the Blessed Prophet also felt uneasy when he heard that Aaisha followed him during the night time and so pushed her mildly as a reminder. After that, the conversation continued between the loving couple and the Prophet taught this beautiful prayer to the curious-natured Aaisha and she in turn, taught it to her students relating along with it this interesting incident.Abdullahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-57660596493363351972010-10-09T23:53:19.585-07:002010-10-09T23:53:19.585-07:00I like the explanation but don't believe it. T...I like the explanation but don't believe it. Too many things are explained away as "bad translations" these days... as muslims as need to be honest with ourselves and accept the fact in Islam it is ok to strike your wife if she misbehaves. All early literature / scholars agree on this (I'm talking about verse 4:34 of course) and therefore the prophet striking his wife should not come as a shock.<br /><br />I am not berating the prophet or trying to understand why he did what he did, but just saying as muslims we need to stop apologising to what the west calls 'human rights' and take an honest look at islamic rights, which are plain and explained 1400 years ago, which include you can under certain conditions strike your wife.honestlySpeakingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-44145152520753113362010-08-15T18:55:12.089-07:002010-08-15T18:55:12.089-07:00Some of the things I wanted to point out from this...Some of the things I wanted to point out from this article.<br /><br />The story is being narrated by Aisha the Prophet's wife who also says that he is the Prophet of Allah and Islam is the true religion and he was the best man. Why is it so hard to believe those statements too?<br /><br />Someone mentioned that the West does not see it this way. Does that peson know the history of the West and the treatement of women in the West?<br /><br />How many other wives did Muhammad hit and how many times? Was it intentional or accidental? So the intention is very important. If he was a wife beater then he had 11 wives and all would have complaints against him. <br /><br />If Muslims wanted to lie about this then all we had to do was not to put the records startight. We could have omitted it completely and made him look like a Saint. He was a Messenger of Allah and he did make mistakes and he corrected his mistakes too. <br /><br />However this is not his mistake this was his method to remove doubt from his wife. Look at the wordings compared to the actions. And for those who think Aisha was a scared girl I think you better read her biography cause she was a lionness.<br /><br />That's all I had to say.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110013502407782612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-47297645116267177902010-08-15T18:38:43.632-07:002010-08-15T18:38:43.632-07:00I've been reading this article and I must admi...I've been reading this article and I must admit two points are missing out of this whole issue. <br /><br />1. The reporting is from Aisha she is narrating the story so why don't you believe her other views of the same man? Aisha has reported him to be a prophet, a walking Quran so why not beleive that too?<br /><br />2. Someone methioned that the West cannot see it that way. It's not up to us to show you the way it's clarifying the issue. If you believe or not believe is something we cannot make you do. <br /><br />I think the brothers and sisters have done their best. We could have easily taken this Hadith out to make the orientalist happy but sorry the records stay the way it is. Unlike other books where they have chopped and changed so much that today it's become a joke rather than a word of God.<br /><br /><br />Good work and thanks to people who have asked sincere questions and got the answers.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110013502407782612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-24573527873795322952010-07-02T03:09:01.451-07:002010-07-02T03:09:01.451-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-10487132586676377502010-07-02T03:08:25.293-07:002010-07-02T03:08:25.293-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.GuyDeWhitneyhttp://hereticscrusade.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-12905262397910584982010-07-02T03:05:58.088-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.088-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-4681204151251494862010-07-02T03:05:58.089-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.089-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-50880710227677469592010-07-02T03:05:58.090-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.090-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-40966026713346968192010-07-02T03:05:58.091-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.091-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-57450345262647463202010-07-02T03:05:58.092-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.092-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-49466206483207986692010-07-02T03:05:58.093-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.093-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-9754110398247177662010-07-02T03:05:58.094-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.094-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-59121436836209141612010-07-02T03:05:58.095-07:002010-07-02T03:05:58.095-07:00"No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the ..."No, I'm not. I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some QUOTES?<br /><br />Like this:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb, which aired on Nile News TV on May 25, 2007</i></b><br /><br /><b>Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</b>: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife... <br /><b>Interviewer</b>: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her. That's what it is."<br /><br />Or this gem!<br />"<b><i>Dr. Ghazi Al-Shimari, a Saudi expert on family affairs</i></b>"<br /><br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Beating is undoubtedly one of the methods to reform [wives]... the Prophet said: "Any woman whose husband is pleased with her when she dies enters Paradise."... If abandonment doesn't work, we move to beating... <br /><b>Ghazi Al-Shimari</b>: Yes. According to a hadith, Umm Zar' said to 'Aisha: "My husband is the epitomy of stupidity and impotence. He is afflicted with every possible defect. Either he wounds me, or breaks my bones, or both." ... So the Prophet decided: "<b>Don't beat the women who serve Allah</b>." Then Omar came and said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, <b>the women have become insolent</b>. We cannot take it anymore. You said not to beat women who serve Allah, so what should we do with them?" <b>So the Prophet [re]approved [beatings]</b>, but said that those who beat "are not the best among you." ... The Prophet said: "If I were to order anybody to bow before anyone, I would order the wife to bow before her husband."... according to a reliable Hadith, a woman said: "Oh Prophet of Allah, I will not marry before you tell me what my husband's rights from me are." The Prophet said: "Do you really want to know?" She said: "Yes." He said: "<b>If pus or blood comes out of your husband's nose and you lick is up, you still will not have observed all his rights</b>." The rights of the husband are great, and you must observe them.Guy DeWhitneyhttp://hereticscrusade.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-74822876923195956752010-07-02T02:46:50.974-07:002010-07-02T02:46:50.974-07:00"I'm saying that in the case of spiritual..."I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some texts to support this rather novel new approach?<br />I have some real quotes:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</i></b><br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife...<br />Interviewer: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman...<br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: Of course... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her.<br /><br /><br />"Look, I've been minding my own business at work when my manager suddenly shoved me into the soda machine. I turned around, about to start yelling at him, when I realised that another coworker was walking past with a huge tray of food, and we hadn't seen each other. Him shoving me (which hurt, mind you) was the quickest way for him to get both of us out of danger. Did I sue him for abusing me? No, because THAT ONE TIME, the painful shove was warranted."<br /><br />Really? You are far to credulous of your male collegues self-serving baloney! <br />If the "tray of food" (wow, sounds dangerous) was really so close that you could be "saved" only by being painfully shoved that would mean that your boss placed his center of gravity in the path of the tray (or pushed you ACROSS the path of the tray instead of pulling you the quickest way out of "danger") and would not have had time to get himself out of the way. Or maybe he just didn't want to deal with the mess and expense of a spilled tray and shoved your female tuchis out of the way and did not really care if you got hurt; after all, it seems that you will buy any excuse given by the men who abuse you.Guy DeWhitneyhyyp://hereticscrusade.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-21121835691216194652010-07-02T02:46:50.975-07:002010-07-02T02:46:50.975-07:00"I'm saying that in the case of spiritual..."I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some texts to support this rather novel new approach?<br />I have some real quotes:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</i></b><br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife...<br />Interviewer: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman...<br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: Of course... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her.<br /><br /><br />"Look, I've been minding my own business at work when my manager suddenly shoved me into the soda machine. I turned around, about to start yelling at him, when I realised that another coworker was walking past with a huge tray of food, and we hadn't seen each other. Him shoving me (which hurt, mind you) was the quickest way for him to get both of us out of danger. Did I sue him for abusing me? No, because THAT ONE TIME, the painful shove was warranted."<br /><br />Really? You are far to credulous of your male collegues self-serving baloney! <br />If the "tray of food" (wow, sounds dangerous) was really so close that you could be "saved" only by being painfully shoved that would mean that your boss placed his center of gravity in the path of the tray (or pushed you ACROSS the path of the tray instead of pulling you the quickest way out of "danger") and would not have had time to get himself out of the way. Or maybe he just didn't want to deal with the mess and expense of a spilled tray and shoved your female tuchis out of the way and did not really care if you got hurt; after all, it seems that you will buy any excuse given by the men who abuse you.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-4763803588512127842010-07-02T02:46:50.976-07:002010-07-02T02:46:50.976-07:00"I'm saying that in the case of spiritual..."I'm saying that in the case of spiritual straying, when the man has the spiritual power to get rid of the wrongness with touch, and it's WARRANTED, THEN it's permissible. That's not beating someone out of anger, or because you feel like it."<br /><br />Where are you getting this stuff? Care to give some texts to support this rather novel new approach?<br />I have some real quotes:<br /><br /><b><i>President of Al-Azhar University and former Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ahmad Al-Tayyeb</i></b><br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: With regard to wife beating... In a nutshell, it appeared as part of a program to reform the wife...<br />Interviewer: I think we must stress that this pertains to a rebellious woman...<br /><br />Ahmad Al-Tayyeb: Of course... This method appeared as part of the treatment of a rebellious wife. I am faced with two options - either the family will be destroyed by divorce, or I can use means that may bring my wife, the mother of my children, back to her senses... By Allah, even if only one woman out of a million can be reformed by light beatings... It's not really beating, it's more like punching... It's like shoving or poking her.<br /><br /><br />"Look, I've been minding my own business at work when my manager suddenly shoved me into the soda machine. I turned around, about to start yelling at him, when I realised that another coworker was walking past with a huge tray of food, and we hadn't seen each other. Him shoving me (which hurt, mind you) was the quickest way for him to get both of us out of danger. Did I sue him for abusing me? No, because THAT ONE TIME, the painful shove was warranted."<br /><br />Really? You are far to credulous of your male collegues self-serving baloney! <br />If the "tray of food" (wow, sounds dangerous) was really so close that you could be "saved" only by being painfully shoved that would mean that your boss placed his center of gravity in the path of the tray (or pushed you ACROSS the path of the tray instead of pulling you the quickest way out of "danger") and would not have had time to get himself out of the way. Or maybe he just didn't want to deal with the mess and expense of a spilled tray and shoved your female tuchis out of the way and did not really care if you got hurt; after all, it seems that you will buy any excuse given by the men who abuse you.Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-17343637456409041072010-07-02T02:29:59.431-07:002010-07-02T02:29:59.431-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obiedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come inGuy DeWhitneyhttp://hereticscrusade.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-68649751216862558742010-07-02T02:29:59.432-07:002010-07-02T02:29:59.432-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come inGuy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-1805882325092939852010-07-02T02:29:59.433-07:002010-07-02T02:29:59.433-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come inGuy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-67662396498017567262010-07-02T02:28:20.744-07:002010-07-02T02:28:20.744-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obiedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come inGuy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-41754296627395500992010-07-02T02:28:20.745-07:002010-07-02T02:28:20.745-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obiedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come inGuy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-248234931266550822.post-43824316182132608192010-07-02T02:27:50.852-07:002010-07-02T02:27:50.852-07:00Do you really think I am that ignorant?
How about ...Do you really think I am that ignorant?<br />How about a few translations of the Quran here:<br /><br />Rodwell: "<b>Men are superior to women</b> on account of the qualities with which <b>God has gifted the one above the other</b>...But chide <b>those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear</b>; ...<b>scourge them</b>: but <b>if they are obedient to you</b>, then seek not occasion against them...<br /><br /><br />Dawood: "<b>Men have authority over women</b>... <b>good women are the obedient</b>... those <b>from whom you fear disobedience</b>, admonish them and send them to beds apart and <b>beat them</b>. Then <b>if they obey you</b>, take no further action...<br /><br />Pickthall: "<b>Men are in charge of women</b>... good women are the obedient...admonish them... scourge them<br /> <br />Arberry: Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another... admonish... eat them<br /> <br />Shakir: Men are the maintainers of women... admonish them... beat them<br /> <br />Ali: Men are the protectors and maintainers of women... righteous women are devoutly obedient... on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct... (and last) beat them (lightly)... if they return to obedience, seek not against them <br /><br /><b><i>from a program with Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-'Arifi, which aired on LBC TV</i></b><br /><br />...while the man may use beating to discipline his wife, she sometimes uses her tears to discipline him. He gets what he wants by screaming, while she gets what she wants from him by crying... beatings should be light and not in the face... A man who is <b>angry with his wife because <i>she doesn't get it</i></b>... If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly. He must beat her where it will not leave marks. He should not beat her on the hand... <b>He should beat her</b> in some places where it will not cause any damage. He should not beat her <i><b>like he would beat</b></i> an animal or <b><i>a child</i></b> - <b><i>slapping them right and left</i></b>.<br /><br />Six translations and one Saudi commentary, not one supports your version, all support teh idea that a man ANGRY with his wife has the right to beat her and humiliate her until she returns to obiedience... as long as he does not beat her as he would a CHILD by slapping them back and forth!!!<br />Where does your exorcism on the halfshell come in?Guy DeWhitney: Heretic Crusaderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05010981018355376221noreply@blogger.com