http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/latest-ergun-caner-is-back-lying.html
Before moving on to some good journalistic endeavours from James White, I’d like to showcase an observation I made whilst on Ergun Caner’s official YouTube page.
Did I find a whopper of a lie? No, BUT I did notice Ergun Caner’s ONLY subscription was to a dishonest and shamed “Christian” ministry called Acts 17 Apologetics – which also passes itself off as learned in Islam. I guess the dishonest attract the dishonest I kid you not. The awful proof:
Note: to magnify, double click the image - do view the entire magnified image as the sub to Acts 17 is at the bottom left corner
Dishonesty attracts dishonesty
Just in case you are unaware of Acts 17’s extent of dishonesty. Here are the co-founders of Acts 17 ministries simply making stuff up (perhaps that’s what Ergun Caner was attracted to):
Nabeel Qureshi – a whopper of a lie
David Wood – Dangerous Lie
I’m pretty sure you are familiar with the Ergun Caner scandal – he was rumbled by a British Muslim vlogger (Mohammad Khan); ultimately the media got wind of it and dear old Ergun was removed from his position as the PRESIDENT of LIBERTY UNIVERSITY (yep the university where blokes such as Gary Habermas, Norman Geisler and co roll).
To put simply, it’s the biggest example of MUSLIMS helping to clean up Christian ministries bar none.
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James White has been investigating Ergun Caner for a while and continues to heap the pressure on Caner’s shoulders with some silky journalistic endeavours. I know White has his faults and detractors but he has given those complicit in the Ergun Caner cover up both barrels and has kept Ergun Caner under scrutiny. The more shaky “Christian” missionaries put under scrutiny the better – they need an impetus to stick within the realms of honesty.
OK, endorsing a book is hardly a crime BUT endorsing a book which promotes the Insider Movement IS a crime – especially considering Ergun Caner has denounced the “camel toe” method as deceptive.
For those unaware, these are deceptive Christian missionary methods to convert Muslims to Christianity. This is how desperate these evangelical folk are. Inventive, yet deceptive!
Since brother James’ reporting the book endorsement was scrapped from Siljander’s website. Somebody has got something to hide. In any case, what in the world are folk doing seeking “endorsements” from brother Ergun? He knows next o nothing about Islam and is duplicitous to boot as highlighted by James showing Ergun disagreed with material within Siljander’s book but still endorsed it. What do book endorsements from Ergun Caner mean? Next to nothing. Could someone nudge brother Louis Ruggiero.
Christians CLOSE the doors!
Stop allowing the dishonest amongst your community to dress up as “authorities” in Islam while they know next to nothing. Last year, 2010, we spent a considerable amount of time rebuking the lies of James White’s friend (Sam Shamoun) along with the chaps at Acts 17, Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, ABN etc…
This year it seems to be the SAME players are still lurking. Ergun Caner is STILL very much active – Shamoun, Saleem, Wood, Dakdok, CP, Father Zakaria Botros and Shoebat are still plying their dishonest trades whilst covering up their past indiscretions. To this year’s bunch we can add Dr Kent Hovind to the list. I’m pretty sure we will find a few others to preoccupy us as 2011 unravels.
When are we going to see real and meaningful accountability coming out of Christian discernment ministries? When? We (Muslims) have been waiting centuries. Yes, centuries! (A brief history of Christian missionary deception).
Peruse this blog and you will see countless examples of deception from “Christian” evangelists who are representing you.
Question for the honest: Who’s more devious?
Right, we have the current crop of dishonest men in the Church BUT are they as dishonest and deplorable as the scribes who changed the Bible for inane reasons such as SEXISM?
A light hearted thought with a deadly serious subtext!
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ReplyDeleteJames White and Extreme Calvinistic Apologetics by Peter Lumpkins
ReplyDeleteEarlier this year, hyper-Calvinist James White tried everything in his rhetorical arsenal to discredit Dr. Norman Geisler as one of conservatism's leading Christian apologists. He failed. Definitively. Geisler continues to remain at the forefront of apologetics while White loses teaching opportunities in respectable institutions. Now after a long vacation from his unbecoming focus on other apologists (e.g. Ergun Caner, Josh McDowell, Wm. Craig) he's back on Geisler.
http://peterlumpkins.typepad.com/peter_lumpkins/2010/11/james-white-and-extreme-calvinistic-apologetics-by-peter-lumpkins.html
Since early February, I've watched as Hyper-Calvinist James White, Muslim Mohammad Khan, and several other James White supporters sift out every conceivable criticism they could to bring Ergun Caner down. Twice Dr. Norman Geisler has addressed this issue. And, now he puts out what may be the definitive summary for answering the charges Khan and White concocted against Ergun Caner.
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"I come to you as a devout Muslim...let me be clear and state up front that unequvicaly for the record that the US has a signifcatn problem with Muslim Radicalization... Listen I am Muslim and I realize it's my problem and I need to fix it... It's unfortunite that some of the best work being done on radicalization is being done by non Muslims...Most Muslism condem that report when in fact its we Muslims who should of been doing that report...It is a problem that we can only solve, Christians, Jews, can not solve Muslim radicalization." Dr Zhudi Jasser, Lt Commander US Navy RET, Fmr in house medical staff US Congress.
ReplyDeleteThe Extent of Radicalization among American Muslims
"There is something wrong with the MUSLIM LEADERS IN NASHVILLE" Melvon Bledose, father of Carlos Bledose, Muslim Missionary charged in the Nashville US Army Recruitment Shootings.
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Mr Bihi (father of one of the Missing Somalia kids from MN who went all Jihadi in Somalia) testifies that a message was sent out by the Islamic center and Muslim leaders. That if Muslism reported their children missing they will wind up in GETMO, also they will be responsible for the eradication of Muslims and Mosques in the US.
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"I come to you as a devout Muslim...let me be clear and state up front that unequvicaly for the record that the US has a signifcatn problem with Muslim Radicalization... Listen I am Muslim and I realize it's my problem and I need to fix it... It's unfortunite that some of the best work being done on radicalization is being done by non Muslims...Most Muslism condem that report when in fact its we Muslims who should of been doing that report...It is a problem that we can only solve, Christians, Jews, can not solve Muslim radicalization." Dr Zhudi Jasser, Lt Commander US Navy RET, Fmr in house medical staff US Congress.
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ReplyDeleteI'm not too familiar with the ground in the US but surely we must recognise these folk as isolated and NOT representative of the Muslim community at large.
Yes, we understand your concern but lets not over-react and generalise.
There is no need for Muslims/Christians to pit negative news stories against one another. These stories say nothing about Christians/Muslims collectively and they say even less about their respective faiths.
Peace
Iron sharpens irons as one man sharpens another - Proverbs
Here is Loonwatch's take on the hearings
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@Yahya
ReplyDeleteyou said...
"I'm not too familiar with the ground in the US but surely we must recognise these folk as isolated and NOT representative of the Muslim community at large."
Yes that's the problem, the Muslims testifying about how they are isolated, sidelined, even threatened are a ISOLATED and do not represent the Muslim community. That is the problem.
Liberty University demoted Ergun Caner, the first former Muslim to become dean of a seminary, after investigating claims that he made about his religious background.
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In a statement issued Friday, the Lynchburg, Va.-based university said the investigative committee concluded that Caner made “factual statements that are self-contradictory.” Caner will no longer be dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary as of June 30, when his contract expires, but will stay on as a professor for the 2010-2011 academic year.
“[T]he committee found no evidence to suggest that Dr. Caner was not a Muslim who converted to Christianity as a teenager, but, instead, found discrepancies related to matters such as dates, names and places of residence,” the statement read.
Caner, who rose to prominence after the 9/11 terrorist attacks as an expert on Islam, was accused by bloggers for months of embellishing parts of his Muslim background. Among the details under question was how devout his Muslim family really was, where he was raised, when he converted, and how much of an expert he is on the Quran.
Bloggers have offered various accounts of Caner’s Muslim upbringing, including popular claims that his family was nominally Muslim and that he was raised by a Christian mother after his parents divorced.
A British Muslim man also posted videos accusing Caner of having little knowledge about Islam, pointing to his frequent misuse of Islamic terms, mispronunciations, and confusion regarding basic Muslim beliefs.
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Others called into question his claim of having been involved in Islamic jihad and engaging in apologetic debates with prominent Muslims.
Caner has apologized, according to Liberty University, for the “discrepancies and misstatements” that resulted in the internal investigation.
However, critics are not satisfied with the punishment and want the school and Caner to be more open about the controversy.
“If a student lied, they would be expelled. When the president/theological seminary dean lies he gets one contract ended and offered another,” complained a Canadian Christian blogger on the site Bene Diction Blogs On.
The blogger complained that Caner does not clarify “on any level” what he is apologizing for and “the lack of clarity in this brief statement indicates an integrity problem.”
Another blogger, FBC Jax Watchdog, commented: “Sadly, the University will never be able to erase the disgrace that it took Internet bloggers like myself and a host of others, including Mohammad Khan to finally get action out of Liberty University on this important issue.”
Liberty University is the largest Christian university in the world, with nearly 12,000 residential students and more than 45,000 online students. The school was founded by Christian Right leader the Rev. Jerry Falwell in 1971. Under Caner’s leadership, Liberty’s seminary enrollment tripled to about 4,000 students since 2005.