It was a toss up between posting insight from the scholarly Geza Vermes or lowering the tone by turning attention towards Sam Shamoun and his pal, Keith Truth (aka Keith Thomson). Sadly, Shamoun and his cohorts are jumping through hoops to gain attention – even if it means trampling on the Bible in the process
“Biblical Mockery” - ARE YOU HAVING A LAUGH?
All those posts showcasing Sam Shamoun’s penchant for insult and childish name-calling have been explained away as “Biblical mockery” – by Shamoun’s pal, KeithTruth. Shamoun is allowing such a farce to “protect” the remnants of his tattered and egotistical apologetics “career” – I use the word career in a loose sense.
Jibreelk pours cold water on the two “Christians” – Shamoun even had the misguided audacity to claim his actions were sanctioned by the Prophet Muhammad (p)!
A Joke
So these two “Christians” are claiming Shamoun’s outbursts are BIBLICAL and PROPHETIC. What a joke. I don’t want to dignify such nonsense any further. True Christians can feel free to rebuke these two miscreants who have hijacked the Bible to peddle their whims and deficiencies.
Good news, Muslims are here
The good news is that a Muslim has called them out on the issue. Jibreelk has responded to KeithTruth’s farce. I want to add Keith was rather deceptive to boot as he injected some OLD and unrelated Muslim insults from Pal Talk in his attempt to justify Shamoun’s outbursts – oops, sorry Keith, I forgot you call them “Biblical”. Since when was the unprovoked calling of people “snakes”, “dogs”, “cowards” and insulting opposing faiths classified as Biblical? Since Keith and Shamoun decided to do some damage control.
NOTE: ALL Shamoun’s UNBIBLICAL (sorry Keith, even a blind man can see it’s NOT Biblical) audio outbursts featured on this blog have indeed been unchallenged. NOBODY else was on the “mic” abusing or provoking Shamoun. I only possessed audio.
Deception ensures those donations will not dry up, eh Keith?
Keith misdirected Christian audiences into believing Shamoun was being provoked. He fetched audio of Nadir Ahmed – which is YEARS OLD! He also played something old from Zaatari and someone unknown. Why? Because of DECEPTION and DEFLECTION.
NONE of Keith’s audio had any bearing on (or relation to) Shamoun’s outbursts. I guess Keith and Shamoun were worried all those donations would be drying up.
Come on, who in the world is going to donate cash to Shamoun whilst knowing the truth about him. The truth is no obstacle for Keith – he just hurdles over it and misleads his co-religionists. Christians, why do you put up with this? Surely your EXPECT accountability?
Apology and James White remained silent
Why couldn’t Shamoun not apologise rather than relying on his pal to abuse the Bible and make a mockery out of his faith? We ALL know the Bible does not support Shamoun’s antics.
Even James White – a pal of Shamoun- has NOT supported Shamoun (and Keith) in their trashing of the Bible whilst justifying their inadequacies. Good thing we have MUSLIMS to rebuke these miscreants…
A question about the Holy Spirit…
Do you really expect us to believe these folk have the Holy Spirit “dwelling within”? Really…
Why it is a Muslim (Jibreelk) is bringing Christians to account and rebuke? Interesting. “By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?” – Mat 7:16
Iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another – Proverbs 27:17
Invitation to Islam
Are you fed up with polemics and misinformation coming from the church? Would you like a relationship with God? Would you like to learn about the historical Jesus? If yes, please look into Islam.
http://www.ediscoverislam.com/
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Extremists, of whatever religion, will always distort religious injunctions to suit their own needs. Al Qaeda does it. Shamoun et al. does it.
ReplyDeleteAl Quaeda Shamoun? What are you people completly mad?
ReplyDeleteShamoun is not cutting heads and slaughtering infidels.
No, but shamoun is no worse than osama bin l?aden. Inciting hatred and dehumanizing people of other faiths. It won't be long untill sam creates a christian al qaeda whether it be intentional or inintentional. Anonymous, open your eyes and wash away your bias for just one minute to see how nothing holy can reside in shamoun.. ask God for guidance
ReplyDeleteMike
For All Christians, I have a question please answer it:
ReplyDeleteIs the Old Testament an authority on how Christians should behave? Or is it a pick and chose what to follow and what not follow.
Anonymous: Shamoun is not cutting heads and slaughtering infidels.
ReplyDeleteRight. Since Shamoun is not cutting heads and slaughtering infidels, it is okay for him to dehumanize Muslims. Great logic! On that note, Nazis under Hitler's command carried out a genocide on the Jews although Hitler himself did not kill any. Therefore, Hilter was better than Al Qaeda.
I would have called Anonymous an extremist, except that he's not one. He's simply an idiot.
I'd like to correct Anonymous' lie. 99% of Al Queda victims are MUSLIM
ReplyDeleteYou are all completly mad and wicked comparing a man who called one of you a "dog" to murderers.
ReplyDeleteShame on you.
Al Queida's actions are consistent with the Quran.
ReplyDeleteJebreel and Yahya, maybe you should read this book before making any more videos about biblical mockery?
ReplyDeleteA Serrated Edge: A Brief Defense of Biblical Satire and Trinitarian Skylarking
It's short and free.
//Al Queida's actions are consistent with the Quran.//
ReplyDeleteShow me Anonymous. I've debated sick people like you in the past, them running around saying random rubish until even their own fellow Christians start condemning. The only thing i see consistent is the pseudo holy spirit in you.
Yahyah i suggest you block anonymous people and force them to reveal themselves.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous: Al Queida's actions are consistent with the Quran.
ReplyDeleteSo are Ted Haggard's actions consistent with the bible.
Anon, don't pretend you have knowledge of Islam simply because you have read a few articles online.
Anonymous: You are all completly mad and wicked comparing a man who called one of you a "dog" to murderers.
ReplyDeleteYou know the guy who murdered Marwa El Sherbini (the hijab martyr) said in his first court appearance that people like her were not really human beings and were incapable of being insulted.
Your master Shamoun shares the same sentiments as a murderer. Good for you!
@ali,
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean but its a double edged sword. Sometimes anonymous people send me useful links which helps me stay up to date.
I know the anons here do take advantage by espousing shoddy arguments and language - which they would never do if their real usernames were visiblle.
Dave Wood has used an anonymous comment to send me info about how this blog has helped his blog, in part, reach better viewing figures. I guess viewing figures are valued higher than honesty by folk at that blog.
Sad.
May Allah keep you healthy. ameen
May Allah guide us all.
@anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIt's not just one comment he made. Why are you making it out as though we are rebuking him solely for him calling someone a dog???
Shamoun has a catalogue of misdemeanours and insults which we are rebuking him on.
Why is it so difficult for Shamoun and his buddies to own up???
Please do send the link to your online book. I will have a gander - inshaallah.
Peace
Hello 1moremuslim,
ReplyDeleteYou asked if the OT is an authority for christians.I have said this several times,Mosaic law is not for Christians,only for Jews.Even if it were still in full force it would only apply for Jews,less than 1% of the world.
The rest of the OT is interpreted by what is in the NT.
THE NEW ALLIANCE
I have already spoken of the JEREMIAH 31:31-36 prophecy that actually says "new berit(alliance)".
Then ISAIAH 42:1-7 which is about the Messiah and how HE will be a berit(allaince)for the nations.
MALACHY 3:1
It's about John-Baptist and it talks of a "the messenger of the covenant/alliance"
(Young's literal translation)
"Lo, I am SENDING MY MESSENGER, And he hath PREPARED A WAY BEFORE ME (NOTE:before me,God), And suddenly come in unto his TEMPLE Doth the Lord(HA ADON,the lord) whom ye are seeking(the lord you are seeking enters his Temple), Even the MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT, Whom ye are desiring, Lo, he is coming, said Jehovah of Hosts."
John-Baptist prepared the way for Jesus(who also entered the Temple) and it mentions the covenant.
THE ARGUMENT THE MESSENGER CAN NOT BE JOHN
It is that it had to be ELIJAH because of MALACHY 4:5:
"Lo, I am sending to you Elijah the prophet, Before the coming of the day of Jehovah, The great and the fearful."(understood by the Jews to mean ELIJAH has to come BEFORE the Messiah comes)
In reality it can be BOTH,a symbolical Elijah(John-Baptist) and a real Elijah(since the real human Elijah appeared in the Transfiguration).I explained all the details in:
http://www.avraidire.com/2010/04/john-the-baptist-as-elijah/
To Minoria:
ReplyDeleteMosaic law is not for Christians,only for Jews.Even if it were still in full force it would only apply for Jews,less than 1% of the world.
The rest of the OT is interpreted by what is in the NT.
The ten commandments are only for the Jews!!!! Brilliant!!
If what you say is true, Why your friends are justifying mockery using the OT? How can Sam shamoun interpret mockery by what in the NT.
Hello,
ReplyDeleteI am the other Anonymous. Sorry TGV I have not had time to get back to you on that Hosea 11.1. I made my first youtube video and posted it. Ever since I have been busy with Muslims pretending to be Jews and Christians spamming my inbox with their secret wisdom of gods and spreading disinformation to anyone on my channel.
I can assure you I understood your typology.
But getting back to that: TGV (or someone else?) said: Again, think about the point of typologies. Even you have to admit, when reading the whole chapter you can cite some uncanny resemblances to the Prophet Muhammad.
Thats what I dont agree with. I dont think one is even able to incorporate Muhammad into Israel or the NT in any typology, ever.
It just makes absolutely no sense.
Jesus was a Jew. He came for the lost sheep of Israel. He was around when the Temple stood.
Where was Muhammad?
Muhammad was from the tribe of Quraish, pagans, not the tribe of Judah.
Hebrew is not Arabic. An adjective is not a noun.
The Bible is not the Quran.
where did he come from? Typologies? Using your method we can literally make a typology out of anything. I can fit the abominable snowman into the Quran using that type of methodology.
Now let us look at Jesus and His relation to Israel:
Israel recieved the Law on Mount Sini, just as Jesus gave His law on the Mount.
Israel was tested for 40 year in the wilderness; Jesus was tempted for 40 days in the wilderness.
Israel and Jesus are both Gods Son.
All the infants were killed when Moshe was born; all the Infants were killed when Jesus was born.
Both Israel and Jesus went into Egypt in their infancy, and both were called out of Egypt by God into the Promised Land.
Last time I checked the NT was written by Jews, about a Jew!
Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion!
ReplyDeleteShout, Daughter of Jerusalem!
See, your kind comes to you,
righteous and having salvation,
gentle and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
Oh and you also quote the book of Solomon:
ReplyDelete10 My beloved is radiant and ruddy,
outstanding among ten thousand.
11 His head is purest gold;
his hair is wavy
and black as a raven.
12 His eyes are like doves
by the water streams,
washed in milk,
mounted like jewels.
13 His cheeks are like beds of spice
yielding perfume.
His lips are like lilies
dripping with myrrh.
14 His arms are rods of gold
set with topaz.
His body is like polished ivory
decorated with lapis lazuli.
15 His legs are pillars of marble
set on bases of pure gold.
His appearance is like Lebanon,
choice as its cedars.
16 His mouth is sweetness itself;
he is altogether lovely.
This is my beloved, this is my friend,
daughters of Jerusalem.
Now dude seriously. Build a typology up for me with some actual connection to YHVH and Israel and then I will consider Muhammad in those verses. And yes yes, I have read Yahya’s article XD Some sort of correlation, ya know. Until you do that I might as well assume it is my mother admiring my father, using your method.
Oh i forgot to mention.
ReplyDeleteSince I was born of a mother and father, am I LIKE Moshe? Is that the method? This is how we corralate and build layers?
Hardly...
AHH! I mean "came for ALL NATIONS"
ReplyDeleteya!
Anonymous: Israel recieved the Law on Mount Sini, just as Jesus gave His law on the Mount. Israel was tested for 40 year in the wilderness; Jesus was tempted for 40 days in the wilderness.
ReplyDeleteYou mean Moses received the Law on Mount Sinai, and Moses was tested for 40 years. Anyways, what good reasons do we have for believing that the similarities Jesus bears to Moses, mostly appearing in the Gospel of Matthew, are genuine and not something the Gospel writer made up specifically to make Jesus look like Moses?
I found your remark strange,in the first place in Judaism there are the 7 Noahide laws for the Gentiles,which contain the essence of the 10 commandments.The NT has all the commandments excepts worship on the Sabbath.Now you have extra informationand know the Christian position better.
ReplyDeleteAbout mocking enemies one is instructed in the NT to be patient,but there are other cases where one can call a spade a spade,like saying X is a murderer because it is the truth.Regarding Sam Shamoun I don't know the details of the intellectual argument that ended with him calling X a dog,snake,coward.Maybe X person was indulging in consistent intellectual dishonesty,maybe not,in which case Sam's comment was wrong and bad.
But I do know of the case of RAUF,in charge of the center or mosque near Ground Zero(and since a piece of airplane crashed through that building 5 stories down to the basement and destroyed it you can even say IT IS PART of Ground Zero.) Suppose you were BLACK and X RACIST group killed 3,000 black people.Then ANOTHER RACIST group APPROVED of it.And let's say RAUF were asked if HE condemned as RACIST the group that approved of the other racist group(that killed 3,000).And he refused,twice.And all the time he says "he wants to PROMOTE HARMONY between the different races".
One would be justified in calling him "evil",or even worse:"hypocrite,trash,worth nothing".There are people who will never change,racists who will never change,and terrorist-lovers who will never change.I think Rauf is one of them.He is like 50,not a 20 year old teenager.