James White, Grow up Just Grow up!
James, Absolutely unacceptable! You behaved like a lewd schoolboy in traducing and ridiculing these ladies based entirely on their looks. I’m calling you to public repentance. You claim to be an elder at your church – what do the females at your church (Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church, Arizona) think of this?
For those unaware
James White on his Dividing Line podcast was ridiculing the looks of the wives of Brigham Young whilst his pal was suggesting they look worse than “Russian women” – whom he likened to MEN!!!
He even displayed pictures of these ladies on his blog. For some reason our James White gets “enjoyment” out of pub-style "banter" about their looks. Sad, very sad.
This unsophisticated, uncouth and sinful episode warrants rebuke and calls for a public apology as well as repentance. You maybe asking, where is the evidence for such a disgraceful turn? Sadly, it’s down below in audio. Please note it is offensive to women, Mormons and Russians (as well as ALL decent people)
James White and Richard degrade women and insult Mormons and Russians - rebuked by a MUSLIM.
If the video does not play please see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toArZvWc7tQ
James White’s Female Colleagues including Mary Jo Sharp
Quite what James White’s female colleagues (Haifa Gorial, Samar Gorial, Mary Jo Sharp etc) think of James White’s attitude and actions over the years leaves one wondering.
I would really like to see Mary Jo Sharp of Confident Christianity respond to this as she is the standard-bearer for females in Christian apologetics – surely this is yet another setback in the quest to attract more female Christian apologists.
Root and branch overhaul
James White and his pal did not simply misspeak. White reveals he has been gaining “enjoyment” from this type of LEWD AND DGRADING ridicule for “YEARS”. Why White is deciding to share such information with us at the twilight of his career is puzzling.
As pointed out in the video James White of Alpha and Omega ministries is surrounded by rabble rousers who are even more uncouth and unsophisticated. The sad plight of Shamoun’s list of misdemeanours bears testimony to such fact.
Recently, I was passed a link where the right wing Debbie Schlussel claimed Walid Shoebat had been harassing her and an allegation of a vile insult was made!
Episodes like those outlined are indeed regular in the world of Christian apologetics – a sad indictment on the failed sate Christian apologetics lies therein.
The Holy Spirit?
Fundamentalist Christians always claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit yet their leaders (in apologetics) are engaged in unedifying behaviour, deception, inconsistency and inaccuracy. Surely, this is food for thought.
We have personally caught Christians in acts of deception and inconsistency on numerous occasions – just flick through some of the pages on this blog and you will see Christians peddling astonishing sex hoaxes, debauched lies and outrageous inconsistencies.
It's a good thing Muslims are on hand to correct and rebuke these Christians. Interesting.
A call to public apology, repentance and reformation
James White and the “Christian” rabble rousers who cling to him MUST reform themselves and offer public repentance and apologies. I call for the other elders at the Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona to rebuke James White.
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A message sent to Mary Jo Sharp of Confident Christianity:
Hello Mary Jo,
I just popped over to get your opinion as a female Christian apologist on James White and Rich Pearce's lewd ridicule of women based on looks.
Can I ask if you feel such views and attitudes by experienced male Christian apologists deflate you or just further motivate you?
May I also ask to Roger's opinion on whether churches rebuke memebers for such comments. You can find the audio and some extra explanation here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/12/james-white-lewd-ridicule-of-mormon-and.html
Peace
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Slight correction:
White did not put the pictures of the Mormon ladies directly on his blog, he linked to a page with the pictures, writing:
"Oh, and for those who thought me unkind on today's DL about Brigham Young's wives, well, look for yourself".
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This picture sums this "rabble" up very nicely -
http://www.americanfundamentalists.com/images/amfund2000.jpg
With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.
Good call brother Yahya. It was very low and substandard indeed. It's a very low level polemic and not even a good polemic. It's just simply low!
James White is not just mocking the ladies, he is also mocking Jesus' creation.
Compare White's behavior with this verse:
O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; Nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, Nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames.
ore Responses to the ramblings of James White:
His dishonesty, faked degrees and out right non sense exposed!
Ehteshaam Gulam
Like I said, James White never ceases to amaze me. I have recently asked him the following questions:
1) are constatnly dishonest about Bart Ehrman. I don't think you have properly read Bart Ehrman's works.
2) Where the word trinity is in the New Testament. Show me anything un-Jewish about Paul's ideology about Jesus christology.
3) and show me a first manuscript of the New Testament in the first century.
4) Show me where the Quran confirms the Entire Bible
5) Think you know Islam and have obtained our best materials when in fact our best materials are written in Arabic--- a language you don't know anything of?
James White response: Nothing. I gave him an oppurunity to refute me when I am ready--- yet he refuses! This would have been a perfect oppurunity for him to refute me yet he didn't do it. Why is running away from this challegne? This would have been a perfect time to expose me if he was truthful rather he refuses to engage in a proper dialouge with me.
Here is James White response to me:
Sir...stop. I have no interest in your ramblings. You are proving my point over and over again.
james (From: James White )
I laughed and responded:
As you have proven my point, sir. Your dishonest, unscholarly, and don't have the credentials to speak about Islam--- because you don't know Arabic.
Don't worry I am going to make sure everyone sees this email... White refuses to engage in converstations with prepared Muslim apologist.
Good day sir!
Thanks
Ehteshaam Gulam
http://www.answering-christian-claims.com (From ehteshaam gulam )
James White made the insinuation that I don't know Bart Ehrman--- yet I gave Dr.White an oppurunity to refute me-- yet he never did! Bart Ehrman agrees with with what a lot of what Muslim apologist say about the New Testament, the Historical Jesus, etc. Yet "Dr" White refuses to be honest when talking about Dr. Ehrman. This proves my point--- that Dr. White is dishonest.
Also The fact that he refuses to answer my questions shows that he is unscholarly, unprofessional and does not have the proper credentials to speak about Islam--- since he doesn't know Arabic.
In other words, the dishonesty and outright lying of James White is starting to annoy me. When it come to checking his facts and honesty---- he doesn't want to do that. But don't take my word for it. Other Muslims have exposed James White academic dishonesty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8p31TmptCc
But it gets more interesting------ because James White faked his degree. As one comment on Youtube said:
"James White is an absolute fraud and an unrepentant liar. His "degree" is fraudulent and bought from a rumor mill called Faraston Theological Seminary (has been renamed since). This "university" is a rented room on the second floor of an office building. Don't take my word for it, look it up; there are websites on it."
Of course I looked up this claim--- it's true. James White does indeed have a fake degree:
http://www.shields-research.org/Novak/james.htm
http://calvinistflyswatter.blogspot.com/2006/11/james-white-and-his-strange-doctorate.html
Of course had I known of James White's academic dishonesty and faked degrees I would have never had a discussion with him. In me trying to become a scholar--- I can't put up with cheats like men like him.
In conclusion, James White's arguements about Islam and Christianity are "not worth listening to".
And just when you think your out they pull you back in. LOL
First I agree with James White, some of those woman are pretty homely.
Second I find it pretty funny that James White says to Pastor Joseph when responding to his question "Isn't that Yahya Snow at the end?" Dr White says 'Who, I don't know I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THAT IS" lol
Once again proving just what a sad and pathetic little man you are.
Well have fun criticizing Christians for making obvious truthful statements, while your Muslim brothers are going around kidnapping, rapping, killing, torturing, murdering, and blowing themselves up.
And most of that was just in this week alone.
Merry Christmas :)
@Fatman,
Actually White did not say that. He was referring to whether the video was by me or not.
So please stop misinforming people.
Also, say even if White never knew who I was how would that affect this post? He would still need to repent and apologise and all the points of this post would still be valid
Wood, Qureshi, Shamoun etc all never knew who I was until I refuted and rebuked them.
The problem with some Christian apologists is that they act to gain popularity and donations. Clearly you have been influenced
I knew you would agree with James White's lewd behaviour as you sit on paltalk talking about how the ladies on ABN look.
You are quite the character off air but whilst you are on air as a caller you present yourself as all innocent and full of the "Holy Spirit".
It is sad to say you are unable to put your hatred of Muslims aside and rebuk the misbehaviour of your co-religionist.
PS I heard your calls to use Iraq as a field of war against Iran.
I guess all those "tears" for Iraqi Christians were crocodile - you don't care for the people of Iraq as you want to use their country as a theatre for war against Iran via insurgency
Grow up and develop the fortitude to rebuke undefying actions by your co-religionists
Merry Christimas
Fatman said:
First I agree with James White, some of those woman are pretty homely.
Oh so you are willing to put pics of your mother (or wife) on the net for people like White to decide whether they are "homely" or not?
Consistency?
Judging and insulting women based on looks is far from acceptable. I hope you Christians grow up.
And stop with this nonsensical claim of me "attacking Christians".
I have simply pointed out White's unchristian episode. In fact I have helped Christian women and White:
White can now try to reform himself and repent
Christian women can realise they don't have to put up with such a superficial approach from Christian men and that women are valued in the eyes of Islam - here we have MUSLIMS standing up for the honour of women.
Hmmm what have I said about the ladies on ABN? They are very attractive. Sorry if attractive woman repulse you.
Now as far as the US strategic policy in the God forsaken middle east. I am a cold warrior. Isolation and Containment are key to fighting any Godless group of people. Whether they be Communist or Islamist.
The Iraqi Christians are fleeing, God is leaving that area, with each persecution, murder, kidnapping, torture, rape, and general murder and mayhem that you Muslims are so good at doing. God is removing his restraining hand, he is handing your kind over to their wicked sinful desires.
He is calling his own to him, taking them home to be with him, others he is causing to flee his coming wrath on such a wicked people.
But hey none of that matters to you as long as James White finds obviously homely woman homely. That is by far more important to you.
I have always said and do say the invasion of Iraq was a mistake. I was against it from the begging. Even singed my name to petitions, wore "Peace Now Buttons" to work, handed out fliers and yes even marched in post war rallies.
Saddam Huessein in the words of Donald Rumsfeild was "A great strategic asset for the US in the region".
He knew how to treat Muslims, he new how to keep them in line.
Don't you find it Ironic that the same people he was found guilty of killing, his own Iraqi people. These are the same people the US was fighting and killing when he was being tried and executed.
The US should not spend blood and treasure trying to keep you Muslims from doing what comes naturally to you. And that is oppressing and killing each other. You guys are far better at hating and killing your own then I or anyone else could ever be.
As long as Muslims are killing Muslims they are not killing anyone else.
Now on to Afganistan.
Like your brother Sammi Zattari, I was in favor and still am of the invasion of Afghanistan, to capture and kill every member of Al Quida that is humanly possible.
(Side note I am not in favor of the death penalty for any Murderous Blood Lusting Muslim captured. Instead I favor life sentence in a Super Max prison. 23 hours of Isolation, not contact with the outside world. NO VIRGINS.)
However I am not in favor of supporting a regime so corrupt they buy and sell little boys making them dress up like girls to sing and dance for them. I am not in favor of the vile and total corruption that your Godless people produce.
That area needs the Taliban, only something like that can control the Godless Muslims from there own lusts and passions.
So yes I think the US should support the Taliban.
Again merry Christmas
FatFool: The Iraqi Christians are fleeing, God is leaving that area
Lol! If God is leaving now, where was he when Islam dominated the Middle East centuries ago?
FatFool: to capture and kill every member of Al Quida
So much for "Thou shall not kill". Anyways, Fatman's rambling post is reflective of how Islamophobia can eat away one's sanity.
Considering everything he has said, I honestly find no difference between Fatman's dehumanization of Muslims and that of Alex Wiens, the guy who killed Marwa El Sherbini.
Look at Ibn's pathetic little posts. Nothing substantial to say so he makes a superficial comment about "where was God?" as if to pander to his fellow ignoramuses who are not likely to understand just how theologically challenged he shows himself to be by replying that way. Should I even bother to educate this dufus? What do you people think?
Anonymous: Nothing substantial to say
Says the one whose post is nothing short of a hate-filled, paranoid, ribald excuse of a speech, assuming you are Fatman.
If you are not Fatman but that other Anonymous clown who keeps making ridiculous claims about Islam (which are merely a projection of his own crumbling sanity), running away every time he gets refuted, then what response could possible satisfy you considering your glaring lack of comprehension skills?
Nope, I'm not the FatMan. That's the guy you called a fat fool just before you said my speech was full of hate, remember? So try and keep up. I mean really, the last thing you want to do is make yourself look like a fool when calling someone else a fool in the process of ignoring their entire post.
Oh, by the way...I am not the other anonymous guy you are referring to either. Don't even know the man. In fact, you are just as anonymous as he is, "Ibn". But of course your attempt to be witty in lieu of actually responding most of the time is as good as a signature and helps us to distinguish you from all other people who don't want their name on this blog.
Anon, are you Anthony Rogers?
Ibn
The command is "Do not commit MURDER" something Muslims like yourself have a problem not DOING. But otherwise thanks for correcting me. I wrote "capture and kill, ever member of Al Quida as humanly possible."
I meant to type "Capture OR kill". With the preference on capture.
I thought that was clear from my "SIDE NOTE" comment.
Either way thanks for correcting me.
So much for agape.
".....their hatred is evident from their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is far worse." (Surah 3:118)
@TheFatMan
I noticed you avoided answering my question by changing subjects. It still stands:
Are you going to upload pics of your mother for James and his pals to gain "enjoyment" from in ridiculing them as homely and worse looking than men?
Perhaps all the folk whofrequent his church would like to send pics of your wives/female relatives so White and his pal can laugh at themfor the next few years.
Or perhaps you would like to develop some moral fortitude and rebuke him. It's quite telling that these rebukes and moral upliftings are coming from MUSLIMS. Ye shall know them by their fruits - Mt 7:16.
You asked concerning your lewd behaviour concerning ladies on ABN and you tried to pre-emptively cushion the blows from my impending answer by writing:
Hmmm what have I said about the ladies on ABN? They are very attractive. Sorry if attractive woman repulse you.
You are a strange bloke indeed. One of the female guest pastors, you wanted to check whether she was good looking and you called the show claiming you were going to ask her if she was available.
You even commented on her looks.
This just further shows your mind is not on faith but thoughts of a more carnal nature - in your case, hatred and lust.
Moving on to your hatred, you want to use IRAQ as a theatre for your war without ANY care in the world for the people of Iraq. You want to give those Iranians a good hiding.
I guess you are amongst the Christian fundamentalists who are trying to speed up the second coming by causing chaos in the ME.
Love they neighbour indeed!
NOTE: If Jesus ever returns in your lifetime you will see for yourself the errors in your faith.
Yahya: This just further shows your mind is not on faith but thoughts of a more carnal nature - in your case, hatred and lust.
Christin bigots have a tendency to get caught in embarrassing situations.
@FatMan cont
I wonder why you think you had the right to invade Afghanistan? I guess it's the same reason behind your nuking of Japan.
I don't really want to clip your call advancing the idea of using Iraq as a theatre to conduct a proxy war with Iran. As for the IRAQI Pastor who was agreeing with you, well...let's not go there - his folly is quite evident.
The fact is you don't even care for the Christians in Iraq. What's the matter, must they speak English and be of the same shade as you before you bother to tacitly admit they are human.
This is one reason why I dislike the internet - too many American "Christian" fundamentalists full of hatred looking for a fight.
Seen as we are talking about hatred, let's talk about the AM folk - D. Wood's manipulation of people's misery to bash Muslims. Actually, let's not. My stomach is already turning.
Who said, I like your Jesus but I don't like your Christians...
I find it interesting you accuse Afghan Muslims - Negeen Mayel's family and relatives of being Godless and subject to their own lusts.
Muslims are the brothers of Jesus. You are insulting Jesus by such a "Godless" claim. Think about it, try not to get your carnal thoughts distract you this time.
As for Afghan Muslims being slaves to their lusts. I don't think so.
There are good and bad in Muslim communities.
I'd imagine there are more gays in your American Christian community than in Afghanistan. Perhaps you would like to remove the log from your eye before pointing at the speck in the eye of our Afghan brothers.
Talking about lusts....you and White seem to be commenting on women in a lustful fashion.
Get off to the opticians; that log seems to be affecting your consitency.
Happy holidays
Yahya as far as my mother is concerned she is very attractive, how do I know well because my dad married her, I'm her son and I have been told I get my good looks from my mom. Also my mom is on face book and there are pictures of her in her profile.
Now you may be ashamed of how your mom looks and maybe that's why you are so upset with Dr Whites Comments about obviously homely woman.
Now as far as my comment on ABN, yes I found her attractive, the beauty of her heart and spirit in the lord radiated from her. She had a nerdy librarian look going on. I find the whole nerdy librarian look very attractive.
And yes had I not seen the wedding ring I would of called in and tried to find out about her, and if she was single I would be honored to pursue such a great lady for marriage. Sorry you find that so repulsive.
But hey maybe your mom and dad will buy you a pretty 9 year old girl for a wife for Christmas
Fatman: But hey maybe your mom and dad will buy you a pretty 9 year old girl for a wife for Christmas
Yahya is a Muslim, so he doesn't celebrate Christmas. Given how desperate you are for a relationship, I sure hope you don't end up like Ted Haggard or pretend to be a priest just so you could get your hands on some poor boys. If you do and get caught, please don't justify yourself like this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-zmTr9wMvA
Yahay Snow said...
"I find it interesting you accuse Afghan Muslims - Negeen Mayel's family and relatives of being Godless and subject to their own lusts."
Yes I do accuse someones family of being godless who wants to KILL HER for converting to CHRIST.
But Negeen can tell you all about the horrors of her family and what they have put her through since she became a Christian. All in the name of Islam.
I pray that through her love her family will come to Christ and know the one true living GOD.
Yahay Snow said...
"Muslims are the brothers of Jesus. You are insulting Jesus by such a "Godless" claim. Think about it, try not to get your carnal thoughts distract you this time."
No sir you deny Jesus, you deny the crucification, you deny that Jesus is the son of God, you CALL GOD A LIAR.
1 John 5:10.
Yahay Snow also said...
"As for Afghan Muslims being slaves to their lusts. I don't think so."
Ever hear about BACHI BOYS. I sugest you look that up. It is practiced openly and protected by the governors and power brokers in the Afgan government. I find it disgusting and I do not support a government who does. Yes those people are GODLESS. But I guess you disagree with that too.
Do you want US troops in Afghanistan supporting those who sell and drink Alcohol, who buy little boys and dress them up like little girls to sing and dance and have sex with them. Is that what you support?
Again let me say this very clearly I think the US is supporting the wrong group, we need to support the Taliban. Do you find fault with that?
As far as the my support of the invasion of Afgan, I agree with your brother Sammi Zatari. Perhaps you should ask him.
FatMan:
Now you may be ashamed of how your mom looks and maybe that's why you are so upset with Dr Whites Comments about obviously homely woman.
Happy now you have thrown such a taunt?
This is the sad extent you must go to in order to defend your friend White. I bet you he KNOWS he is in the wrong - I would not be surprised if he does come out and repent, surely the elders at his church will call for public repentence. Surely all fundamentalist Christians in the US are not like you.
You just want to insult and have us butchered in your war games. Are Muslims that worthless in your eyes :(
I'm glad God sees the Muslims in a better light than you and your hateful mob
FATMAN:
Now as far as my comment on ABN, yes I found her attractive, the beauty of her heart and spirit in the lord radiated from her. She had a nerdy librarian look going on. I find the whole nerdy librarian look very attractive.
I guess this is why Muslim segregation of the sexes leaves Muslim societies better behaved (sexually) than Christian counterparts - such is confirmed by William Montgommery Watt (vis-avis Muslim society being better behaved sexually)
PS, from what I heard you were not mentioning anything to do with "spiritual radiance" - it was all about physical appearance. Perhaps this is a later addition; like the stuff in the Gospels to help advance stories whilst suting individual agendas.
I wonder what the pastor's husband thought of your public lustful episode...
Like I said to you when I preached the Truth to you; Islam will help you become a better person.
Fatman:
But hey maybe your mom and dad will buy you a pretty 9 year old girl for a wife for Christmas
I'm British, that type of relationship is not allowed in my country.
I'm calling it a night, I really wanted to read some of Vermes' book on the Dead Sea Scrolls tonight.
I just hope I planted a seed and was ready enough to answer as to the hope within.
Iron shapens iron as one man sharpens another - Proverbs
May Allah guide us all
@brother yahya dont respond to tfm he is a liberal christian so all his views wishy washy . he is defending a guy who called the president a non-christian while he himself never questioned obamams religion when he endorsed him before the presidential election in nov 08. so going by that i must assume he dosent think much of james white,althougth were that blog entry has gone i dont know (probaby embarassed so must have removed it). regarding the atrocities commited by the cia fromed terrorist groups they will answer for on judgement day,this is unlikeyour president and former president who dont have to worry about judgment because they are bathed in the blood of christ, the atonement is a disgusting doctrine,its responsible for racism,facsim,nazism all the people who furthered these ideologies were christian from mussolini to general franco. you people have your dirty hands in everyones business and your dirty secrets are being found out finally by the general through the internet and now wikileaks. your religion is a weak one that is why it can be changed to anyones beliefs.man when the USA falls are you lot gonna have a big suprise instore.
Yahya this will be it for me.
You said...
"Happy now you have thrown such a taunt?"
Hey man your the one who brought my mother into this, I ignored it the first time, but you kept pressing. So maybe now you will learn.
You said ..."You just want to insult and have us butchered in your war games. Are Muslims that worthless in your eyes :("
No sir war is not a game. I do not want US Soldiers butchered trying to prevent Muslims killing each other. Oh just to let you know you should read Wikileaks, it is the Sunni arab nations who want Iran taken out. I say let them do it.
As far as Muslim lives being worthless, you tell me. Is a suicide bombers life WORTHLESS?
Tell me do you love death more then I love life?
You said "I guess this is why Muslim segregation of the sexes leaves Muslim societies better behaved (sexually) than Christian counterparts "
You do know that segregation of the sexes promotes homosexuality. Long before I even knew a thing about Islam in the early 1990's. I heard from several Iraqi nationals that it is well known that homosexuality is rampant in Saudi Arabia.
Here is a Atlantic Monthly on this very topic.
Gay Jihad
Or what about dressing little boys up to look like girls so they can sing and dance and then have sex with the men. Yeah thats really healthy and so much better then natural heterosexual attraction.
Here is a link to the PBS Frontline series documenting this practice. Notice the Muslims go to the Masjid and pray and woman are segregated from the men.
BachaBoyz
Or what about when those 7 girls burned to death in KSA. Because they didn't have there NIQAB. Yeah separation of the sexes is so healthy in society.
You said...
"PS, from what I heard you were not mentioning anything to do with "spiritual radiance" - it was all about physical appearance...I wonder what the pastor's husband thought of your public lustful episode..."
Wow saying that a woman is beautiful and attractive and that I would want to date her and mary her if she were single is NOT LUST. WOW normal heterosexual attraction is lust to you. Amazing.
And finally you said ...
"I'm British, that type of relationship is not allowed in my country."
LOL I'm sorry you live in a civilized society. Maybe you can move to KSA were that type of relationship is ALLOWED. The best part is, if your child bride wants a divorce she is to young to get one.
Well I think that about cover's it. You have just been SPANKED.
FatMan, why in the world are you capitalizing the word gay????
Here is the link to the actual article on Homosexuality in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
Gay Jihad
Sorry for the wrong link in the previous post.
Hey Fatman you know Muslims are fleeing Sudan because of the terrorist Christian goup LRA has a base there? Actually I watched a video by Time Magazine where they interviewed this young Muslim boy who was kidnapped by the LRA. They brainwashed him with the trinity crap and forced him to decapitate a 3 year old Muslim girl. Yes I agree the lord's spirit is being radiated from the LRA.
Hey shall we all pitch in and get Fatman a young virgin with Bible verses taped all over as wrapping paper?
@Fatman
Stop, please stop and save face.
The question concerning your actions related to your mother was brought into make a staement as the Mormon community would have seen the ladies James insulted as their mothers!
This is one of many reasons why I dislike speaking to you. You just don't try to comprehend any of the points being made.
As Bill Maher says, that's why they call them the flock.
Here is footage of what is in your heart, I have clipped your stomach turning audio here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/08/assyrians-and-arab-christians-please.html
Then you start to salivate over the fact there are gays in the Muslim world. And?
Why are you so excited by this? There are gay churches in America. You have gay priests and church leaders.
In Islam homosexual acts are sinful. They are not allowed.
FYI, Segregation does not promote homosexuality. Grow up.
In the West we have open societies yet we ahve more gays than the Muslim world.
We even have gay clubs and bars in the US and UK.
How about you take that log out of your eye.
You wrote:
Wow saying that a woman is beautiful and attractive and that I would want to date her and mary her if she were single is NOT LUST
Dating? Looking at women with lust?
Did Jesus not teach whoever looks at a woman with lust has carried out adultery?
I guess this is the calibre of person who supports White's attack on Mormon's and the attack on Russian ladies.
Sir, stop. Please stop humiliating yourself and representing your co-religionists in a poor fashion.
You wrote: Well I think that about cover's it. You have just been SPANKED
Oh ok.
@Fatman
Stop, please stop and save face.
The question concerning your actions related to your mother was brought into make a staement as the Mormon community would have seen the ladies James insulted as their mothers!
This is one of many reasons why I dislike speaking to you. You just don't try to comprehend any of the points being made.
As Bill Maher says, that's why they call them the flock.
Here is footage of what is in your heart, I have clipped your stomach turning audio here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/08/assyrians-and-arab-christians-please.html
Then you start to salivate over the fact there are gays in the Muslim world. And?
Why are you so excited by this? There are gay churches in America. You have gay priests and church leaders.
In Islam homosexual acts are sinful. They are not allowed.
FYI, Segregation does not promote homosexuality. Grow up.
In the West we have open societies yet we ahve more gays than the Muslim world.
We even have gay clubs and bars in the US and UK.
How about you take that log out of your eye.
You wrote:
Wow saying that a woman is beautiful and attractive and that I would want to date her and mary her if she were single is NOT LUST
Dating? Looking at women with lust?
Did Jesus not teach whoever looks at a woman with lust has carried out adultery?
I guess this is the calibre of person who supports White's attack on Mormon's and the attack on Russian ladies.
Sir, stop. Please stop humiliating yourself and representing your co-religionists in a poor fashion.
You wrote: Well I think that about cover's it. You have just been SPANKED
Oh ok.
@Yahya
Now I am offended. You post a clip of me on ABN and don't even give me proper billing.
Now on to your other nonsense.
Oh yahya cries fowl over the mother comment. Even though he attacks my mother twice. Poor poor yahya snow. He is such a victim.
Now on to the more serious topics.
You obviously didn't read the article in the Atlantic. Most of these men and woman do not consider themselves to be homosexual. The problem is that when you segregate men and woman either in a prison system or in a society. Homosexual behavior becomes the norm. It does not encourage good moral behavior, instead it encourages and even more deviant sexual behavior that is homosexuality.
Just like some men and woman who practice homosexuality in prison do not continue in that practice when they are released and can have normal relations with the opposite sex. The same is true in Islamic paradises like KSA. Once they get married most will not participate in that behavior.
So in other words trying to repress and control what is normal, you actually create a abnormality and a deviant behavior.
The sad part is, its not really about homosexual intercourse.
We are driven to contact, it could be just hand holding, or a hug, a warm embrace, or even a tender look. These tender moments which are the NORM in civilized societies are Taboo in Islam.
We are sensual creatures, we crave affection and tenderness from other human beings. It's who we are. The bible says this very clearly. Paul says it is a mystery "that a man will leave his mother and father and cling to his wife"
But in Islam you do not have that. So the normal becomes haram, what God created for us, becomes deviant. So instead of controlling the natural, you suppress it creating a even greater deviant from the norm.
@Yahya Snow
Your comments about lust demonstrate my premise in my previous post.
IT IS NORMAL FOR A MAN TO BE ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN. Let me say it again and in another way. IT IS NOT ONLY A GOOD THING, IT IS BIBLICALLY RIGHTEOUS FOR A MAN TO BE ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN.
There is nothing wrong with finding a woman to be physically attractive, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get to know a woman emotionally, and spiritually. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing a woman to marriage.
And yes I stand by my statement. I did find that woman attractive. Some did not, I hope I can meet a woman such as her, I just hope when I do I am on the spiritual plane so she will be attracted to me.
Truth be told, (unless there are other extenuating circumstances, like one is on their way to being martyred) there is everything wrong in not finding a woman attractive,in not wanting to get married. This is abnormal, this is deviant.
Now what is LUST? It is to think sexual thoughts about a woman who is not your wife. I can assure you sir I was not doing that. I unlike Muslim males have control over my passions.
You see how out of control you are with your passions. You can not discern between the two. The good becomes evil, there by making what is righteous and holy in Gods eyes, what God has intended for Man now becomes Haram.
@Yahya Snow
Segregating men and woman.
To quote the supreme court of the United States. "Separate is NOT EQUAL"
This is clearly demonstrated in the barbaric way men treat woman in Islamic Paradises. I find it interesting that in Islamic countries where the majority of the population is Muslim. Woman are instructed by law to were a Hijab, Niqab, Abiya or even a full Burka to protect them from MEN.
What men are they being protected from in a ISLAMIC SOCIETY? Answer MUSLIM MEN.
If Muslim men truly respect woman they why do woman have to be protected from them by wearing such clothing?
The behavior of segregating men and woman to such a extreme leads to in equality of woman, not equality. This is why the religious police prevented fire fighters from rescuing several girls from a burning building all because they were not wearing there Abiya's. These religious police felt justified in their actions because they were enforcing the law of your ALLAH. They could do that because these girls were less then human in their eyes.
This is why a group of Muslim men can take the time to dig a pit, put a woman in it, spend 10 to 20 minutes throwing stones at a woman all the time praising God with smiling faces.
This is why a Muslim man can brutally murder his daughters, sister, cousin etc...
This is why Muslim woman in Afghanistan and Pakistan set them selves on fire to escape there Muslim husbands.
But none of that matters to you, because there are Christians who make obvious statements about homely woman or attractive woman.
Islam is one of the causes, it is NOT THE SOLUTION
@Yahya Snow
Your comments about lust demonstrate my premise in my previous post.
IT IS NORMAL FOR A MAN TO BE ATTRACTED TO A WOMAN. Let me say it again and in another way. IT IS NOT ONLY A GOOD THING, IT IS BIBLICALLY RIGHTEOUS FOR A MAN TO SEEK A WIFE. This is not lust.
There is nothing wrong with finding a woman to be physically attractive, there is nothing wrong with wanting to get to know a woman emotionally, and spiritually. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with pursuing a woman to marriage.
Now what is LUST? It is to think sexual thoughts about a woman who is not your wife. I can assure you sir I was not doing that. I unlike Muslim males have control over my passions.
You see how out of control you are with your passions. You can not deviate between the two. The good becomes evil, there by making what is righteous and holy in Gods eyes, what God has intended for Man now becomes Haram.
FatIdiot: I find it interesting that in Islamic countries where the majority of the population is Muslim. Woman are instructed by law to were a Hijab, Niqab, Abiya or even a full Burka to protect them from MEN.
Just because a country has a Muslim majority population doesn't necessarily make it an Islamic country. Also, on what basis do you make the claim that in Muslim majority countries women are required to wear the hijab by law? Here is a list of all the Muslim countries in the world. Tell me how many of them require its women citizens to wear the hijab?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries
Moreover, on what basis do you claim that in places where women are required to wear the hijab by law, the reason is that it is for their protection rather than, say, it being a command of Allah in the Quran? In fact, according to the following verse, the hijab serves as a expression of the idenity of a Muslim woman. It is what separates Muslim women from the rest.
Prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and women believers to make their outer garments hang low over them so as to be RECOGNIZED and not insulted: God is most forgiving, most merciful. (Surah 33:59)
FatMan: If Muslim men truly respect woman they why do woman have to be protected from them by wearing such clothing?
Your question is idiotic simply because you got ALL your premises wrong.
Fatman:This is why a group of Muslim men can take the time to dig a pit, put a woman in it, spend 10 to 20 minutes throwing stones at a woman all the time praising God with smiling faces.
This is why a Muslim man can brutally murder his daughters, sister, cousin etc...
This is why Muslim woman in Afghanistan and Pakistan set them selves on fire to escape there Muslim husbands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
any moderate christians gonna condem james whites filthy talk?
fatman see my blog. You think Christians don't kill their daughter's, wives, cousins etc? I've tons of these stories on how christians brutally murder their own family women.
fatman islamic clothing protects women from HARASSMENT. and no, not only from muslim men but from CHRISTIAN losers as well. a woman who cover's up properly is not gonna have sick people check out her body parts and approach her and whatever. actually here in the west muslim women cover up so they don't get their privacy invaded by you holy spirit guided cross worshippers.
@Fatman
Sir stop. PLEASE stop.
A blind man can see Christianity does not support James and Richard. For some reason you are defending such actions - or at the very least refusing to rebuke them.
One day as a lion is better than 1000 as a sheep.
I call you to public repentence too. Please review the unedifying video of your call to ABN and ask yourself if your blood lust was "Christian".
I don't believe it was. However, I have a better view of Christianity than you and your pals. Recently we rebuked your pals for justifying their foul mouths by the tag of "Biblical mockery"
The sad state of Christian apologetics - shoddy arguments, lies, inconsistencies, dishonesty, shoddy behaviour and repeated failures.
You are the latest Christian apologist to be shown in a poor light - sadly I doubt you are the last.
Develop a more mature and moral backbone. Criticism is not a bad thing if warranted.
Iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens another - Proverbs
I bid you good night
A message to James and Richard:
Hello James White and Richard Pierce,
You may not have been alerted to a call to your repentence.
On the DL you childishly insulted Mormon and Russian ladies. This has been clipped and some commentary has been added to help you realise the error in your ways.
Please listen to the video embedded here and benefit from the sharp rebuke offered. If you have time please read the text to gain further benefit:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/12/james-white-lewd-ridicule-of-mormon-and.html
Please note, if you do feature your repentence and apologies on your blog I will update the post to let your co-religionists know.
Peace
Happy holidays
God bless,
Yahya
From the video James White was certainly wrong to make fun of the Mormon women,it going against the Golden Rule,no doubt about it.He is human so he obviously sinned.The same for Richard and his comment about Russian women.
Then the conversation turned to Irak and Afghanistan.They are societies which do not have an open culture,or at best it's limited.I have lived in several countries(none of them Muslim)and never in any of them would anybody(as far as I ever heard)kill another for a religion.
CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GROUP?
The Lord's Liberation Army is not a Christian group.It has killed,they say,100,000.But Jesus said,and WomanforTruth,you may have read this before in the gospels but later forgot,that Jesus said:"NOT ALL who say LORD,LORD will enter the KINGDOM of GOD,but he who DOES the WILL of the Father."MATT 7:21.
SO?
It means Jesus himself is saying there are WAYS to know of those who say they are Christian if they are Christian.And the LRA is not...according to Jesus' standards.I say this because there are people who say:"Who are YOU to say X group is NOT Christian."It calls itself that(it says to Jesus:"Lord,Lord")just like the INQUISITORS(they said "Lord,Lord")but no they were not Christian.
minoria I know the LRA is not a good example of Christianity but many Christians need a good lesson, such as fatman, David Wood and Co etc
Hello woman for truth:
The LRA is not even an example of Christianity,there is a minimum standard given by Jesus.The same for those who say:"The KKK was a CHRISTIAN group".Jesus said there would be those who SAY they are with him,but they're not.Who should kno better than he?
Hola
The Fat Man just got owned
Hmm...What if? An Update on the Disappearance of Caner's Endorsement of Siljander's Book
03/04/2011 - James White
I was thinking after posting the information about Caner's endorsement disappearing from the Siljander website...what if this had nothing to do with Caner? What if someone contacted Mark Siljander, provided him with the mountain of documentation proving that everything Cal Thomas said about Caner, as recorded in the book, is bogus (born and raised in Turkey, came here to convert us, blah blah blah), and he realized he did not need that kind of publicity? I jumped to the conclusion that the "endorsement pull" came from Caner's side (given that it would be downright simplistic to post videos of Caner blasting everything Siljander says about Islam, jihad, etc. In fact, let's do that right now:
Notice the string of falsehoods: madrassas in Istanbul and Cairo (he didn't mention Beirut in this one), coming here when he was 14 (he was 2.5 and he knew it when he said it), and the lie that he knew nothing about America (tough to back that one up when you grow up in Ohio)---of course, we could give him a pass on saying he knew nothing about America when he actually did come here. Most 2.5 year olds are not overly culturally literate. But note that his view of jihad is the exact view of jihad Siljander attacks and decries and identifies as the main part of the problem in his book!). But what if the pull came from Siljander's side? An interesting possibility.
In any case, I would like to ask either Mark Siljander or Ergun Caner to explain the disappearance of the endorsement
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