Showing posts with label Missionary Scandal. Show all posts
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Tuesday, 16 January 2018

Dishonest Misisonaries Claiming Prophet Muhammad Allowed Beating Of Slaves

This is just another outright dishonest claim. They spin a hadith where the Prophet gently rebuked a companion for beating his slave as an allowance of beating slaves. Do you find that odd? Welcome to the world of dishonest anti-Islam Christian polemics.

It's discussed in this video from the 2.00 min timeframe onwards.



This video is also uploaded here and here

Book 10, Number 1814: Narrated Asma' bint AbuBakr: We came out for performing hajj along with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). When we reached al-Araj, the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) alighted and we also alighted. Aisha sat beside the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and I sat beside my father (AbuBakr). The equipment and personal effects of AbuBakr and of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) were placed with AbuBakr's slave on a camel. AbuBakr was sitting and waiting for his arrival. He arrived but he had no camel with him. He asked: Where is your camel? He replied: I lost it last night. AbuBakr said: There was only one camel, even that you have lost. He then began to beat him while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was smiling and saying: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (putting on ihram), what is he doing? Ibn AbuRizmah said: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) spoke nothing except the words: Look at this man who is in the sacred state (wearing ihram), what is he doing? He was smiling (when he uttered these words).

Bible: Exodus 21:20-21New International Version (NIV) 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?



Friday, 6 October 2017

Advice For Muslims On Dealing With Christian Anti-Muslim Sentiment...

Part of an email advising somebody who was being run down by evangelical Christians attacking Islam:

These people actively look for people who are all jittery when it comes to their emotional polemics against the Faith. They can sense who lacks confidence and self-esteem especially in person (body language) and even on the net with the way somebody is interacting.

There’s a lot of psychology behind evangelical Christian missionaries who try to rob Muslims of faith in the Revelation of Allah. They actively look for people who struggle with English because they think they are easier targets for various reasons (i.e. the Christian can conflate the West with Christianity and thus misappropriate secular Western achievement to Christianity, it’s easier for them to dominate and manipulate a conversation if the other person has a weaker command of the language and we both know that there is an undercurrent in the West which portrays people not educated in Western institutes as lesser thinkers), their ideal is those with inferiority complexes – inferiority complexes when it comes to the West and folks who have elements of self hate within them. A great way to deal with these missionaries is to go head on and use the premises in their arguments against them.

For instance, they will talk about the Prophet being involved in war and put it alongside the Jesus of the Gospel (A Jesus who was never the head of a state nor of a group large enough to wrestle control of the region away from the oppressive Romans so it’s the fallacy of false comparisons although if that’s what they want to do, be their guest and compare Prophet Muhammad with Trinitarian Jesus!).

The premise here is somebody using violence and warfare cannot be from God. Point at the Prophets in the OT – Moses – who used violence and warfare (e.g vs the Midianites in Numbers). But go further, talk about the Trinity idea teaching Jesus is the 2nd person of the Trinity thus Trinitarians essentially believe Jesus ordered the killing of women and children (1 Samuel 15:3).

Likewise, for the issue of polygamy, tell them Jesus did not forbid it according to Biblical Trinitarians and appears to allow it (Exodus 21:10) and he even says he GAVE David his wives according to Trinitarians (2 Samuel 12:8). In this instance you can also point to one of the sparks for their breakaway church movement, Martin Luther. Luther is on record saying nothing in Christian scripture forbids polygamy. [It will be a really Westernised Christian who brings the issue of polygamy up and he/she may find this very difficult and thus jump at the One Flesh verse (Gen 2:24) – they believe MOSES wrote such yet he had more than one wife so clearly the author’s understanding of the one flesh verse could not have been a proscription of polygyny].

Let’s talk about female slaves, they will bring this up. They may have even been taught to say Muslims are allowed to rape female slaves. Of course this is a prurient lie as part of their propaganda of demonisation (but the Christian you’re speaking to may not know this, so be gentle). To respond,say, “OK clearly you believe in the rights and well treatment of slaves, especially female slaves, I respect that as that is what we as Muslims are taught. But before I show you our teachings I want to share what Trinitarians believe Jesus allowed with respect to slaves, this may sound shocking so do look it up and think about it when you have some time later on, he allowed the severe beating of female slaves as long as they got up after a couple of days (Ex 21:20-21). Female slaves were taken as captives of war and married in the OT. There are some secularists, and perhaps liberal Christians, who say this was rape in the Bible but for me I don’t believe God allows rape as we are taught in the Quran (Quran 4:36) to treat slaves well and the Prophetic teaching (Sahih Muslim) is that one cannot even slap a slave – clearly rape would transgress those teachings thus cannot be allowed.”

Notice, what we’ve done my dear, we’ve started planting seeds and educating the Christian friend.

Don’t say any of this aggressively to them, say it how an educator would. You’re the teacher here. You’ve got to be the guide here. This Christian is in severe spiritual danger and his reckless elders may have effectively nudged him on to the precipice of leaving Biblical Christianity and the Abrahamic tradition.

Remember, if they come to you, your demeanour is key, you MUST be confident. Don’t be all jittery, they will sense it and that’s what they want to see. Speak with clarity and purpose. Be smart and informed, if you’re not, they will pick up on it and they will not be influenced as much by you, in fact they will take it as a cue to start influencing you! Be sophisticated and focussed, don’t bang on about America bombing Iraq like some emotional wreck – that’s not the time or place. The number of Muslims I see rattling on about Iraq, British and American imperialism in these discussions is staggering, to be honest it’s neither helpful nor relevant. It can come across as cringe-worthy and embarrassing. The Christian did not come to you as a representative of America, in many cases the Christian is not even American and is against Trump, Bush etc.. It’s a theological discussion, not political. There’s a time and place for remonstrating against the bombings of innocent people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Pakistan etc. and the contentious issue of Palestine...this discussion is not that time or place.

Take on the role of the educator in the dialogue. The evangelical missionaries have been set up to try and rob you of your faith using secular arguments – their leaders saw how the secularists decimated Christendom in Western Europe and now they have borrowed that polemical style from them because it was effective against their own faith! The only reason why it was effective was because the Christians had been conditioned to think of Western civilisation and Western laws as the pinnacle thus the Church ended up allowing divorce (their teachings do not allow divorce except in the case of adultery), staying silent on sex before marriage and even inviting Bill and Bob, and Jill and Jean, to come into their churches to get “married”. They did all this to appease their congregations who became Westerners at heart rather than true Bible believers.

They’ve lost confidence in their Book. Don’t allow them to try and do the same to you with respect to Islam.

ALWAYS REMEMBER: These evangelical Christians have been conned, they’ve been conned by “Christian” folks who have given them a load of polemics against Islam which, if applied consistently, would mean the Christian would reject Christianity and Biblical teachings. These Christian missionaries, once they wake up and start thinking about what they’re saying, are in danger of leaving the Abrahamic tradition because their Christian leaders was set them up to stumble. The evangelical Christian NEEDS you in this instance. You can be a light for them and a light for their nations. But you’ve got to be smart, sophisticated, educated, confident and concerned. YOU can do it.

Geza Vermes on How Jesus Would Have Reacted to Trinitarian Christians

For Christians Who Call Muslims Rag-Heads...

Are Evengalicals Ignoring Sola Scriptura When Talking About Prophecies in the Bible?

Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?

 
 

Thursday, 20 July 2017

DCCI Ministries' Lizzie Schofield Asks Why People Call her a Bigot


This video has also been uploaded here

In this video DCCI Ministries' Elizabeth Schofield makes bigoted comments about Muslims after asking why people on the internet call her a "bigot". I hope Hatun Tash and Lizzie will think about how they come across.


1 Samuel 15:3: Lizzie Speakers Corner (Paul and Lizzie Schofield)

Christian Missionaries and Pakistan's Valentines Day Ban

Hashim Corrects Lizzie Schofield of Pfander Films Website

Christian Asks About Child Killing in the Bible - Lizzie Schofield of Pfander Blog and YouTube

A Reputation for Rudeness Is Difficult to Shake Off, Ask Pfander...

Jay Smith's Pfander Films Asked to Condemn Death Threat to Muslim Apologist

Hamza Myatt and Lizzie Schofield on Violence in Bible - Unbelievable and Pfander Films Take Note

Are Jay Smith and Beth Grove of Pfander Centre Radicalising People to Hate Muslims?

Adnan Rashid Racist Abuse Condemned - Jay Smith's Pfander Films' Radicalised Viewers

Jay Smith's Student Lizzie Schofield Believes Jesus Mistreats Women in Deut 21:10-14

Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?

Why Islam
 
 

Christian Priorities: Attack Islam and Muslims Or Solve Their Sex Problem?

I am going to be frank with you, you'll be hard pressed to find Christians dedicated to trying to reduce this problem. You'll easily find Christians investing time, energy and money in attacking Muslims and Islam on and offline. Priorities?

Saudi Arabia, India and Indonesia (all countries which have been in English language press for opposition to Valentines Day) are amongst those that have the lowest rates of children born out of wedlock (1% or less).

Now compare that to the Britain where it was reported in 2013 that over 50% of all babies will be born out of wedlock in less than 5 years time. That’s the “Christian” country of Britain.

The countries with the highest rates of children born out of wedlock are historically and culturally Christian countries:

The highest rates of non-marital childbearing occur in Latin America (55–74 percent). The only other countries to share these high rates are South Africa (59 percent) and Sweden (55 percent). The range within Europe is huge: from 18 percent (Italy) to 55 percent (Sweden). Those in North America and Oceania are also high and rising, though New Zealand (47 percent) and the United States (41 percent) stand out, with more than four out of ten births outside of marriage in these two countries.

Notice which countries have the highest rates of children born out wedlock? “CHRISTIAN” countries!

 
 

Wednesday, 12 July 2017

Do Scottish People See Jesus as a Relevant Role Model for Today?

Scottish people are giving up on Christianity. One researcher suggested  if the Church of Scotland became more liberal then it may attract more younger and liberal-minded people:
The Scottish Attitudes Survey, compiled by the independent research body ScotCen, found 58% of respondents said they had no religion at all.

When the survey was carried out in 1999, the figure was 40%.

Among major denominations, the Church of Scotland has seen the sharpest decline, with just 18% saying the belong to the Kirk.

The Church of Scotland figure for 1999 was 35%.

ScotCen researcher Ian Montagu said: "The decline in religious identity in Scotland has been most keenly felt by the Kirk as fewer and fewer people choose to describe themselves as Church of Scotland by default.

"As each generation coming through is consistently less religious than the last, it is hard to imagine this trend coming to a halt in the near future."

He added: "However, if the Kirk is able to push through liberalising measures such as allowing ministers to oversee same-sex marriage ceremonies, it is possible that its appeal may broaden somewhat to younger, more socially liberal Scots."

The Reverend Norman Smith, the convener of the Church of Scotland's Mission and Discipleship Council, said: "This survey contains no surprises for us a Church, however for us it is only part of the story
.BBC



Thursday, 29 June 2017

So You Don't Believe Guys Visting Pubs and Strip Clubs See Jesus but Muslims Do See Jesus?

This was a pretty interesting comment on a video discussing the Christian missionary claim that Muslims in the East are seeing Jesus and converting to Christianity. Churches in the UK and mainland Europe are being converted to restaurants, offices, pubs and clubs al the time? Oh, and whilst we are at it, one church in Hungary turned into a venue which hosts a stripper? A strip club!?

Are these Christians who give donations to Christian missionaries feeding them stories of Jesus appearing to Muslims not asking themselves why Jesus is not appearing to any of these other people?

Think. Don't be fooled by Christian missionary rhetoric. There are people who lie in the Christian missionary circuit, they lie to try and convert people and they lie to secure donations (they have a vested interest in it).



With thousands of churches closing and converted to mosques, I'm wondering, why doesn't Jesus Christ appear to them inside the churches? Maybe he could have stopped it from closing. What a bunch of craps and lies of Christian deception. LOL SMH




Muslims Becoming Christians in Lebanon? Missionary Bus-Start Scandal Bites Again?

Nabeel Qureshi: True Christians Can Perfom Miracles Greater than Jesus!

Response to Converted2Islam Vision of Jesus Claim

Is Mario Joseph, ex Muslim Imam, Telling the Truth?

Gariba International Ministries Scandal

Muslim Thoughts on Ergun Caner's Alleged Racist Comments 'N Bomb'

Prophecies of the Messiah - Reza Aslan

Numerical miracle in Quran

British Muslims Protested to Defend Jesus p

Sharia Law against terrorism

Christians having dreams and converting to Islam


Conversions to Islam

Learn about Islam

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Tuesday, 27 June 2017

How Folks Like Robert Spencer Poison White Evangelical Minds

White evangelicals are also the least likely Americans to know a Muslim.

..survey after survey indicates that white evangelicals are the least excited about their new neighbors. They show the highest levels of support for restrictions on Muslim immigration and the most skepticism toward Muslim Americans.

Much of the fear among evangelicals “is because people do not know Muslims,” said Michael Urton, associate director of the COMMA Network (Coalition of Ministries to Muslims in North America).

According to a PRRI poll conducted last year, 74 percent of white evangelicals, 66 percent of white mainline Protestants, and 63 percent of white Catholics said they saw Islamic and American values in conflict.

Though Muslim Americans are growing in number and prominence, a majority of white evangelicals do not know a single one. In a Pew survey released this year, just over a third (35%) say they have a personal connection to a Muslim.

In a LifeWay survey, slightly more than half of evangelical pastors saw ISIS as a true indication of what Islamic society looks like.

Warren Larson, former director of the Zwemer Center for Muslim Studies, called such beliefs “very damaging for ministry and mission among Muslims.” After 9/11, “quite a few evangelical books came out warning Christians to steer clear of Islam. Fear of Muslims grew substantially,” he said. “I felt such Christian writings often lacked solid research and were deficient in helping fellow believers reach out to Muslims with love and understanding.”

According to the Arab Barometer Survey, a majority of Muslims across 10 countries said they’d be comfortable with neighbors of a different religion and supported their right to practice their faith. In Iraq—where Christians have been expelled by ISIS—82 percent of Muslims were comfortable with non-Muslim neighbors.

“While knowledge about Christianity is low, tolerance of non-Muslims is high across the Arab world,” said Michael Hoffman, of Georgetown University’s Religious Freedom Project.

“Would a Muslim feel the American church is a safe place for them? The answer probably is they would not,” Cashin said. [Christianity Today]




Tuesday, 13 June 2017

Is Brannon Howse Sponsoring a Liar in Usama Dakdok?

Brannon Howse's friend Usama Dakdok has been claiming to have studied Islamic Law whilst his fellow Egyptian Christian buddy (Christian Primce) claimed to be a qualified sharian law judge, Odd claim. Would some Christian evangelical be interested in trying to find out if Usama Dakdok is actually telling the truth. There's concern he may have lied to a church in the past too. Here's the video:


This video has also been uploaded here

Usama Dakdok: Muslims Must Kill You and Your Wife, Muslims are Demons

Pastor Usama Dakdok Is A Proven Liar

FrontPageMag: 'Scholar' of Islam Exposed - Usama Dakdok

Usama Dakdok's Friend Makes a Strange Story Up

More Deception from Usama Dakdok of The Straight Way Ministry

Foolish Christian Argument 'that Quran Teaches Earth is Flat' Back-fires

More Falsehood: Prophet Muhammad Killed 4 million Christians in Egypt (Another Usama Dakdok Falsehood)

Murder Rates in Muslim Countries Compared to Non Muslim Countries.

Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?

Synoptic Gospels and the Idea of a Pre-Existant Jesus?



Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?

Why Islam



Monday, 12 June 2017

Al Fadi, a Confused "Ex Muslim" - Confused by Evangelical Slogans About Jesus and Love

Al Fadi is somebody who claims to be a Saudi Arabian ex Muslim. He believes Jesus loves Muslims. He also believes Jesus will kill Muslims. Notice the contradiction?

In response to a video featuring what Christians believe Jesus will do to Muslims upon his second coming, Al Fadi wrote this:








Here's a dialogue that ensued. Yes, Al Fadi does seem to be a confused "ex Muslim" or just ignorant about the Bible and the Trinitarian beliefs about commands such as 1 Samuel 15:3.



























And here's the video in full.


If the video does not play, please see here

Murder Rates in Muslim Countries Compared to Non Muslim Countries.

Is Limited Atonement Doctrine Taught Clearer than the Trinity Doctrine in the New Testament?

Synoptic Gospels and the Idea of a Pre-Existant Jesus?



Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?

Why Islam



Thursday, 8 June 2017

Ex Christian: Christian Claims of Miracles Were Fake and Tricks

This is an ex-Christian who lost faith in the charismatic Christian movement. He knew Christians cannot do miracles and felt they were trying to trick him by claims of miracles. Muslims need to be watchful for Christian missionaries in Africa and Asia trying the same tricks in an attempt to convert Muslims to Christianity.


Muslims may also want to share this video of a Christian claiming to have healed a Muslim's eyesight. It now turns out the Christian has left Christianity.

This video is also uploaded here and here


Friday, 19 May 2017

Sadegh's Testimony Story Is An Embarrassment to Chrisians - Unbelievable and Pfander Ministries!

Folks, I know we Muslims are just sick of weird “conversion” stories being peddled by Christian missionary organisations of Muslims becoming Christians.

Embarrassing to serious-minded Christians 

They are full of dramatics or some dream story or just really clichéd – almost like they are manufactured/moulded stories from a certain perspective.

A lady, Lizzie Schofield, who works for/with a Christian missionary organisation which is known for disregarding accuracy and intellectual honesty, Pfander Ministries, writes:

I was at an evangelism conference when I found myself sitting next to a very friendly Iranian man, arms covered in ‘John 3:16’ bracelets.[I think she means wrist bands]. I asked what brought him to London? He told me his extraordinary testimony of coming out of Islam to faith in Christ, and that I was free to publicise it to the whole world.

The story of this Iranian (asylum seeker?) convert to Christianity called Sadegh appeared to be shaped for an evangelical audience. Perhaps to make Christians feel a sense of accomplishment and confirmation bias or just to encourage donations into Christian evangelicalism so folks like him can  earn a living.

Who knows, but this guy, Sadegh, was either really ignorant or was shaping his narrative for his Christian audience as he proclaimed he was taught to worship Prophet Muhammad:

Also, I was only ever told good things about Muhammad, and that we were to worship and pray to him. I thought why should I? He’s dead!

No Muslims worship Prophet Muhammad. Shame on Christian missionary organisations which promote Sadegh. Muslims worship the God of Jesus, Muhammad and Moses. The only Being worthy of worship: Allah.

Here is a podcast where Muslims discuss Sadegh’s “extraordinary testimony” - Christians are out of touch if they think Muslims will take Sadegh's story seriously. How does a Christian evangelist expect to be taken seriously in the eyes of a Muslim while propagating such a story?

Thursday, 18 May 2017

Deceptive Videos From Love a Muslim Ministry in Nigeria

This type of dishonest video making by a Nigerian Christian Korede of Love a Muslim Ministry is shameless. Folks, you do not honour Christianity with lies. You do not honour Paul of Tarsus with lies. You do not honour your church with lies. Folks, do not use lies to try and make yourselves popular.

I hope the Christians at Love a Muslim Ministry will try harder to value honesty more in the future.

Misleading Nigerian Christian: Korede Olawoyin Attacks Paul Williams


Korede Olawoyin is a Deceitful Man Making Deceptive Videos - Lucas Samson


Did Ignatius Teach the Trinity?

Synoptic Gospels and the Idea of a Pre-Existant Jesus?



Tovia Singer: Does the New Testament Teach Jesus is God?

Why Islam



Thursday, 13 April 2017

Justin Brierley, do you Believe Jay Smith's "Hyperbole" Excuse?


Also uploaded here and here

Jay Smith of Pfander Centre for Apologetics  made the claim of Muslims banning ham in Harrow. Harrow is an area in London of 200,000 people.

Jay Smith got caught out on this. He got mocked online and was confronted in person over his claims to the amusement of his colleague Lizzie Schofield. I think Justin Brierley of Premier Christian radio was notified about hamgate too.


Jay Smith, being the man of self-preservation he is, jamp on camera and claimed to have been using “hyperbole”. Guess he must have thought Christians will just believe him by accepting his words uncritically. Jay Smith, there are smart Christians out there who will feel uneasy with your “hyperbole” explanation. Remember, you’re not only talking to people who are part of your group and presumably receive wages from your organisation or asylum seekers who have converted to (or pretended to convert to) Christianity to help with their asylum stay in Europe who presumably don’t have a clue what Harrow is or are worried they will get sent back to Iraq to be bombed by other Iraqis or by Christian nations like America.

I hope those other Christians do have a word with you.

As for his “hyperbole” claims, they don’t compute with what he actually said. Smith made the claim he cannot get ham anymore in Jarrow because Muslims/Islam banned it.

He’s now back-tracked claiming he was only talking about a local Subway. Hmmm, OK, why didn’t you just say it was one store near you in the first place (if that was the actual case)?!

But having said that, if you search Subway's store-finder you’ll see there are Subway outlets in that area search which do serve ham (i.e. they are not halal). I did call a few of the branches that came up after searching for “Harrow”. Some did sell ham and others didn’t . You can see from the search results which are halal and which are not halal.

Not only this, the biggest claim of them all is that which breeds resentment amongst the far-right and fires bigots up to even attack Muslims. It’s the claim that Muslims have banned ham.

This again, is just not true. Smith has a habit of making statements that just aren’t true.

A spokesperson for Subway said the halal-only stores reflect the diversity of Subway customers.
[Plymouth Herald]

Subway are on record indicating they choose which stores are halal-only based on the demographic:

“We put a programme into place in 2007 to ensure that the population demographic is taken into account when new store openings are considered in order that we meet consumer demand in each location.
[Plymouth Herald]

As the Plymouth Herald points out none of the branches in Plymouth are going to become halal because there are only about 2000 Muslims in Plymouth according to the 2011 census.

It’s business sense from Subway. Subway aren’t being forced by Muslims to do this. Subway has simply targeted Muslim custom by making some branches in areas populated with more Muslims halal-only. The hate preacher Jay Smith can surely see this or is he so self-radicalised that he cannot see how wild-eyed he comes off as?



Let me get this straight, Jay Smith, if not lying (or perhaps in his vernacular using “hyperbole”), has a local Subway which is halal-only. He’s upset about this. What do you want that Subway to do? They are probably competing with a load of halal takeaways and other food outlets etc. in an area packed with Muslims. Do you want them to not try and get their custom and thus probably fold (meaning people lose their jobs!) or do you want them to try and get Muslim custom?

And why in the world are you, a bloke who “expects” to be killed by Muslims someday, living amongst so many Muslims? Perhaps you’re just lying about your locality and you don't actually live in a highly Muslim area where there is a halal-only Subway – I wouldn’t rule that out. Lizzie Schofield, Sarah Foster or Beth Grove can you help us out?

Does your Bible* not teach double minded men are unstable in all their ways? See James 1:8

Oh Jay would you like to go on record and claim you were using “hyperbole” when you claimed a crowd of Muslims (40/50) told you they will kill you at Hyde Park Speakers Corner? And how about that nutty Petra conspiracy theory stuff you come out with, is that “hyperbole” too?

*In case you’re wondering what the Bible is Jay, it’s the book you lost confidence in a looong time ago, I suspect you used have confidence in it being inerrant in your early years. Perhaps this is behind your antagonism and resentment towards Islam and Muslims, your dialogue with Muslims made you see your fundamentalist Christian views were false. Am I reading you like a book, Jay?

James White's Comments Rebuke Arguments of Jay Smith and David Wood

How Jay Smith, Beth Grove, Usama Dakdok and David Wood contribute to the apostasy of Christians

Pfander Films Questioned Over Conversion Figures. Speakers Corner






Sunday, 19 March 2017

Mike Licona Rebuked by Muslims: Spreading Deceit About Shk Ahmed Deedat

The spin around the speculation that Shk Ahmed Deedat read a bit from Josh McDowell’s book before he passed away is outlandish. It’s disappointing to see somebody like Dr Mike Licona spreading such intellectually dishonest suggestions.



Mike Licona stated “Deedat was apparently having second thoughts about Islam and was taking another look at Jesus”. He bases this wild-eyed suggestion on speculation that Shk. Deedat read a portion from Josh McDowell’s book the day before he passed away.

This claim was out to Shk. Ahmed Deedat’s son who responded by dismissing it as deception and a ploy to promote Josh McDowell’s book. Shk. Deedat’s son also indicated Shk. Deedat would never leave Islam.

It’s well known Shk. Deedat was debating Christians and propagating Islam on his sick bed thus it would come as no surprise that he would read Christian missionary literature as it would be part of his research and debate preparation. Mike Licona and other Christian apologists read material from the likes of Bart Ehrman and Richard Dawkins as part of their apologetics research and debate preparation, it would be dishonest to suggest they were having second thoughts about their faith based on them simply reading such material. Mike Licona should be able to see how wild and deceitful this claim is!

Sadly, Licona doesn’t appear to be the only one who is passing on deceitful rumours about Shk. Deedat. Dr Nabeel Qureshi, in his book, does inform us of "other" people spreading the absurd rumour that Shk. Ahmed Deedat repudiated Islam whilst on his sick bed.
Let’s be clear here, these “other” people who claim Shk Deedat repudiated Islam on his deathbed are internet trolls. There’s no evidence for this whatsoever.

In fact just by reading his biography or news reports concerning Shk. Deedat’s passing away people can see this claim is a load of nonsense as he was serving Islam even whilst bed-ridden up to his passing away:

August 8 marks 10 years since Deedat’s death of kidney failure at the age of 87. He was bedridden for the final 10 years of his life, after suffering a stroke that left him paralysed and unable to speak.

Though doctors initially gave him little chance to live, Deedat continued to engage in religious work until his death – communicating by using a grid of the alphabet, which he used to spell out words letter-by-letter by signalling with his eyes.
[Al Jazeera]

For more in response to Nabeel Qureshi's comments on Shk Deedat please see here

It could well be that this rumour which "other" people were spreading evolved from wishful claims by Josh McDowell:

Josh McDowell said: Amazingly, a close relative of his came to me a few years ago when I was visiting South Africa and said, “I felt you needed to know some details around the death of Ahmad. The day before he died, he asked me to find a copy of your book More Than A Carpenter. So, I brought it to him and he read some of it.” We won’t know until after this life, but there’s a chance Ahmad Deedat is in heaven.

Josh McDowell in this public statement doesn’t go as far as Mike Licona. Mike Licona appears to spin Josh McDowell’s wishful speculation into a suggestion Shk. Deedat was having doubts about Islam. Mike’s comments are certainly deceitful - whether he got them from somebody else or whether he instigated such spin is for him to disclose. Josh McDowell is irresponsible with his comments – they too are misleading. Josh McDowell would surely know that apologists do read material from the other side in order to produce responses to their claims.

What we have here is at least two big name Christian apologists who should be ashamed of themselves. Mike Licona will, if consistent, call himself a “deceitful character and he will also say the same about Josh McDowell seen as he called a Muslim such for simply adopting the logical conclusion, based on Mike’s podcast comments, of Mike believing there’s a false prophecy in the New Testament from Paul of Tarsus.

Mike Licona, at the very least, should apologise publicly.





Thursday, 24 November 2016

Was Jay Smith of Pfander Films fabricating Stories at Speakers Corner?


Jay Smith specifically claimed he had video evidence to back his shocking claim up. He's being asked for that video footage now!


I've looked for the video evidence which he claims is available on the internet. I can't find it. All I could find is him talking about the third caliph who burnt Quranic manuscripts

This is odd. He claimed 40/50 Muslims said it was OK to kill random people upon seeing some Christian burn a copy of the Quran and they all threatened to kill him if he burnt a copy in London.

Posting footage of all this would be propaganda gold for him, his organisation and his friends (the David Wood types).It would go viral. Where is the video of this purported incident?

Jay Smith of Pfander Films has a reputation for dishonesty. Did he make this up?

Jay Smith of Pfander Films on video making strange claims

If the video does not play, please see here

This is a transcript of one of Jay's versions of the story:

Just yesterday, in fact, I was at Speaker's Corner, and I got up there, and I don't know if you remember what happened of Friday. Nine U.N. soldiers were killed after some of the imams in the mosques there in Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan remonstrated against Terry Jones who had burned the Koran, I don't know, a week or two ago down there in Florida, and crowds went on a rampage and killed nine U.N. soldiers, wounded eleven others there in Mazar-i-Sharif, and these U.N. soldiers were from, well four of them were from Nepal. They wore burkas. One was a Swedish. Two of them were beheaded.

Of course, I got up on the ladder and I wanted to bring this—and this is what we do—I get up and take what's on the news and I bring it around to the Gospel. I just got up there and said, 'Listen, you all heard the news. You all heard what happened. What in the world went wrong, and why are you Muslims killing people for your Koran? Why in the world nine young men, or whatever their ages were, why did you kill nine men who had nothing to do with the burning of the Koran that took place thousands of miles away over in Florida by a pastor who did something he shouldn't have done. Nonetheless, why do you kill people for doing this?'...

...Now, bringing that kind of thing at Speaker's Corner brings a huge crowd, and I had a huge crowd yesterday. Hundreds were there, and the Muslims came all front and center, right in front of the ladder... And then I asked, 'Should those men have been killed? Should those nine men have been killed, though they had nothing to do with the Koran? They didn't even know Terry Jones. They are hundreds, thousands of miles away.'


And what was fascinating, Brian, as I said that, about six or seven Muslims started raising their fists and yelling, 'Yes! Yes! Allahu-akbar! These men should be killed.' So I said, 'Do you all agree?' All the Muslims, there may be about 40 or 50 Muslims there... 'Do you all agree?' And almost all of them said, yes, those men should be killed.
So I turned to the crowd. The crowd was huge, and you could see the horror on the faces of the crowd. It was priceless from where I was standing to look out and said, 'Are you watching this? Are you looking at this? ... Not even looking for the guilty party or if anybody is even guilty. Nonetheless, they would kill anybody. I said, 'Why is it they should be killed?' Because they weren't Muslim.
Now that you can only do at Speaker's Corner. You can only get that kind of reaction at Speaker's Corner. And then you also can only get those kinds of crowds, and so we film it. We put that—that one, unfortunately, the fellow that does all the filming wasn't there, so that didn't get on film, although the same thing happened back in July when Terry Jones was going to do the same thing, and I did much the same kind of talk back in July. That got filmed and that's up on YouTube. You can go and see it.




He can quite easily disprove any suspicion of dishonesty on his part by providing the footage seen as he claims he has all this on video. The challenge has been set for him to provide the video footage.

If it turns out to be the case, we have no qualms in rebuking and educating the Muslims in question. But it seems awfully suspicious that this missionary does not have this footage uploaded.

And if you're a Muslim, don't take this type of thing lightly. Don't dismiss it as standard Christian missionary propaganda. This Christian polemicist's audience, given the type of anti-Islam/Muslim rhetoric they produce, will be jam-packed with Britain First, EDL, racist types and Islamophobic fundamentalist Christians. A bunch of folk who have a scary violent element to them.

What do you think will happen when they are told there's a bunch of Muslims in London who think it's OK to kill random people when they see Christian pastors on TV burning copies of the Koran?

It's going to feed into the fear narrative which will lead to more Islamophobic cowards attacking Muslim women and Muslim old men in Britain.

These are dangerous lies helping to further jeopardise Muslim safety and wellbeing in Britain, America, Australia, Canada and beyond.

If Jay Smith can't provide the video evidence then for this then it would appear he was peddling extremely irresponsible and dangerous lies.









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