Wednesday, 9 February 2011

Truth about the Indonesian mob that beat Ahmadis to death

I was sent a link to a stomach churning video where a group of vigilantes in Indonesia had beaten Ahmadis to death.

A note to the Islamophobes who are glorying in such butchery

This action is NOT Islamic. If a crime is purported to have been committed by these Ahmadis then Islam dictates it is judged via the AUTHORITIES, thus matters are NOT taken into the hands of vigilantes as judge, jury and executioners.

Indonesia is a Muslim country and the President of Indonesia (Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono) has denounced the mob attacks:

"The president is deeply concerned and condemned the violence and said that the country must be firm in defending the constitution, that would never allow small groups to use religion to attack groups of different faiths,"

Obviously, the president of Indonesia does NOT believe this act of violence was Islamic.

I am not Ahmadi. I have no idea what crime the Ahmadis are alleged to have committed; I do know they do suffer injustice and persecution in Muslim countries such as Pakistan. This could be the case with Indonesia.

Islamophobes PLEASE STOP taking delight in this misery

Muslims do not support such actions.

Muslims use the internet for social and study purposes. PLEASE stop hounding Muslims by shoving this stomach churning YouTube video in our faces. We are not responsible for the non-Islamic actions by a mob in Indonesia.

May Allah guide us all. Ameen

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Yahya Snow said...

With amendments from:
DISTURBING video has emerged of a bloody religious mob attack in Indonesia that killed three members of a minority sect, showing extremists beating and stoning their victims to death.
The incident, involving more than 1000 Muslims who stormed a house in West Java yesterday to stop the minority Ahmadiyah sect from holding worship, has been condemned by the government and rights activists.
Footage of the attack - which came at the start of "interfaith harmony week" in the mainly Muslim country - shows police doing nothing as scores of Islamic fanatics go berserk with stones, knives and sticks.
Shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest) and "kafir" (infidel), the mob brush aside a lone police officer and launch a sustained attack on the house, as a small group of Ahmadis try briefly to defend the property.
Defenceless and half-naked Ahmadi men are then shown being beaten and stoned to death in the mud outside the house. Their bodies are pelted with stones and desecrated as members of the mob laugh and take pictures.
Throughout the attack police are either absent or standing amid the mob doing nothing to intervene, with the exception of a lone police officer, who is seen attempting to stop people beating and stoning one of the dead men, but he is ignored.
National police spokesman Boy Rafli Amar said eight people are being questioned in relation to the violence but no one had been charged.
President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has instructed police to capture the perpetrators and "haul them to court if need be", his senior adviser, Daniel Sparingga, said.
"The president is deeply concerned and condemned the violence and said that the country must be firm in defending the constitution, that would never allow small groups to use religion to attack groups of different faiths," he said.
Ahmadiyah spokesman Zafrullah Ahmad Pontoh said the mob committed murder and appealed to the government for protection. Similar appeals have been ignored in the past.
"We're saddened because innocent people were killed. The mob committed murder and Islam never taught people to attack and kill," he said.
"We hope the government can provide us with protection so we can practise our faith in peace."
Indonesia's constitution explicitly guarantees freedom of religion and the country of some 240 million people, 80 per cent of whom are Muslim, has ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
But a government decree adopted in 2008 under pressure from Islamic conservatives bans the Ahmadiyah sect from spreading its faith, which includes the belief that its founder, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, was the final Muslim prophet.
Orthodox Muslims hold that Mohammed was the last prophet of Islam.
The group, which claims hundreds of thousands of members in Indonesia and millions in South Asia, has been repeatedly targeted with violence by Islamic extremist organisations.
National Human Rights Commission chairman Ifdhal Kasim said the incident was "embarrassing" as the police had made no effort to stop the mob.
"The police are biased and ignored their ultimate responsibility which is to protect the people," he said.
"The government has no right to make judgments on whether a religion is heretical or not. Its job is to protect the people."
The violence comes less than three months after US President Barack Obama visited Indonesia and praised its "spirit of religious tolerance" as an "example to the world".

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Radical Moderate said...


Let's see, their shouting Allah Akbar,I'm sure all of them joining the fun said the Shahada. Ahmadians are considered a "CULT"(your words). They are forbidden by law to call them selves MUSLIM and even call their house of worship a Masjid. They are considered Blasphemer for not believing Mohamed was the Last Prophet. Blasphemers are to be put to death in Islam.

You have no problem with the way Christians are to be treated in Islam, you even said "It was no big deal...Take a chill pill" for Christians to suffer such persecution, and discrimination under Islam.

And now you want us to believe that you sympathize with these blaspheming Ahmadis? A group of people you called a CULT, a group of people that are considered Blasphemer?

Quit shedding your crocodile tears man.

Radical Moderate said...

@Yahya Snow

When I wrote "they are forbidden by law" I meant in Pakistan. I'm not sure on the laws in Indonesia

Yahya Snow said...


I would like you to show me where I called them a "cult". A genuine question, I do not recall ever doing so but perhaps you can point me to an instance where I did.

I don't think I have ever called them a "cult".

even if I did it would NOT mean I support this outrageous attack!!!

I don't know much about this group but know Muslim scholars have denounced them as non-muslim.

I do not support these actions and found the video very disturbing.

I'm saddened to think you believe I support such an act.

Please apologise for the slight caused. I am genuinely hurt that somebody would accuse me of supporting/agreeing with the murder of these three human beings.

You also insult me by suggesting I support similar persecution of Christians.

Are you confusing me for someone else?

I really don't know where you are getting all this from.
I find it worrying to see such claims alleged my way.

I can assure you I am deeply upset over this event and I would NOT want to see such happen to Christians either.

This blog has repeatedly denounced terrorism too.

I call for your apology.

Please stop with these hurtful claims. What has got into you? Whatever it is, it is certainly NOT the Holy Spirit.

Iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens another - Proverbs

indonesia news said...

Indonesian Military Forcing Ahmadi Muslims to Convert to Orthodox Islam
Update from modern, moderate Indonesia.
Indonesia admitted on Wednesday that soldiers had been entering mosques of a minority Islamic sect but said they had been protecting followers, escalating a debate about religious freedoms.

An Indonesian human rights group said however it had recorded 56 cases in West Java province in which soldiers forced Ahmadiyah followers to convert to mainstream Islam.

The government denies there have been any forced conversions, saying the military intervention was to protect the Ahmadiyah from more violence.

"As long as their intention is positive -- that is to ensure Ahmadiyah followers do not become the target of violence -- then that's not a human rights violation," said Justice and Human Rights Minister Patrialis Akbar.

"It’s not a harmful intervention," Akbar told reporters.

But local rights group Imparsial disputed that, saying soldiers have entered mosques, gathered the sect followers and "forced them to repent and convert to Islam". (Source)