Sunday, 10 October 2010

AnsweringIslam (Sam Shamoun) Calls Muslim Opponent a "Dog"

Christian Missionary Insults a Muslim over the Internet!!!

Hold your horses folks...keep your cash firmly in your wallets and purses.

I recently viewed a promotional video for Sam Shamoun's website; it was asking for financial assistance. However, it may well have been in  the same browser session that I came across Sam Shamoun's outrageous insult - Shamoun called his debate opponent a "dog".

This is yet another disturbing episode in Sam Shamoun's "career" as an internet "Christian" apologist. It serves as the latest set back and Shamoun only serves to repulse mild-mannered and religious folk away from him and his enterprises.

Proof?

Now you may be asking for proof for this latest outburst. Fear not I have Shamoun's latest bout of Islamophobia in the form of a screen shot (view fig 1)

In order to grasp the full extent of the equation the gentleman (Jibreelk) on the end of Sam Shamoun malicious typing is well reputed and is indeed a fine representative of his community and his IslamDunkTV project. Sadly, bullies such as Sam Shamoun do exist on the internet and operate in the form of trolling and traducing upstanding individuals.

We are indeed all our brother's keepers and thus we should round on Shamoun in the form of sharp rebuke and any responsible individuals who still have ties with Shamoun should certainly reconsider and/or publicly rebuke Sam Shamoun

Fig 1 shows Sam Shamoun talking to his friend KeithTruth; the conversation contains Shamoun's distasteful comment. Please note "shamounian" is Sam Shamoun's username on YouTube, thus "shamounian" is Sam Shamoun. Click on the image to enlarge it.





Here is a snippet from the conversation between Sam Shamoun and his colleague KeithTruth.

KeithTruth alerts Shamoun to Jibreelk's refutation material (Sam Shamoun and Jibreelk have been locked in debate over the past few weeks).

KeithTruth (1 day ago) Spam Marked as spam Hey Sam, jibreelk just released his response to the last refutation of him.
watch?v=i3JuYkD7nNQ

Sam Shamoun seems to lose his rag and seems to bail out of the debate - he instructs his colleague, Keith, to takeover. I guess Sam has ran out of steam. Sam, it was meant to be a debate between you and Jibreelk and somehow you have managed to bail out despite your self-promoting rhetoric

shamounian (1 day ago) Spam Marked as spam Thanks brother. And please do make sure you refute that dog. Let me know if you need any assistance for your debates.

Fig 2 is another screen shot of Shamoun's insult. Click on the image to enlarge
                                                       
Conclusion

Sam Shamoun has had another outrageous outburst. Shamoun believes he has the Holy Spirit dwelling within him, in addition, Shamoun also believes this indwelling HolySpirit is none other than God. Quite how Shamoun expects us to believe this in the light of all his crazy comments is beyond us.

If you are an associate of Sam Shamoun you should rethink your relationship with this chap. Sadly, there are a number of disingenuous "Christian" missionaries who do not act in the interest of the Chruch but act out their hateful, ego-driven and ignorant agendas.

PLEASE think before giving cash to folk like Sam Shamoun.

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110 comments:

The Fat Man said...
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The Fat Man said...

Wow after reading this it makes me want to write a check to Sam for at least $100. Do you know how I can send it to him?

Anonymous said...

That is a strange assortment of things in the "tags" line at the end of your screed against Sam.

Anonymous said...

Oh my! What in the world is that "infidel", that friend of jewish "pigs" and "apes", doing calling us Muslims dogs? Only we are allowed to do that.

RefutingActs17 said...

Keep it up brother Yahya. Well Shamoun on record has called Muslims a 'Cancer to Society' and now this? Can't wait to get cracking on that new website.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Islam is a scourge, a cancer. What did Sam say that was in error?

Yahya Snow said...

@refuting

Yep, I plan to use that in a future post. I have heard one of his colleagues use a similar "cancer" reference!

I will tell you I have other screen shots which will make your blood boil

May Allah bless you further. Ameen

Yahya Snow said...

@fatman

You will give him $100 for calling somebody respectful a "dog".

As for knowing how to send it - you are his FRIEND so you can give him his cash "reward" in person

I guess amnesia is setting in :)

@anonymous
I wonder which colleague/supporter of Shamoun you are? Usama Dakdok? Nakdimon? investigateislam?

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

What is the world coming to when I actually have to defend Sam Shamoun!

I'm sorry brother Yahya, and I do apologize to brother Jibreek (I hope he finds it in his heart to forgive me) but in this case Sam Shamoun is only following the example of his master!

That's correct!

Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. (Matthew 7:6)

Jesus is reported to have called people dogs and pigs. So if I am a Christian and a Christian is to be 'Christ-like' there you have it.

Sorry for sticking up for Shamoun on this one brother Yahya but I had no choice in light of the evidence.

This is common fare for people like him.

However I do not know on what grounds Sam Shamoun calls people *(stards..., *%ther @#@#, fa**9ts) and so forth.

But with the way he exegeses the Qur'an (Allah prays etc) I would not be surprised if he found a way to justify this language as well.

manny said...

sam shaman = lose

Anonymous said...

What in the world does "exegeses the Qur'an" mean?

On another note, I do want to thank thegrandverbalizer for the observation that Jesus distinguished between people. Some are children of the devil (aka swines who trample God's truth underfoot), and some are children of God. Interestingly, those who are children of the devil often are quite vociferous about the idea that they believe in one God and that they follow him. They also use this in a mistaken way to deny Jesus. See John 8, the whole chapter.

The Fat Man said...

Anonymous you seem to be picking up where I left off :)

I love it when Muslims try to use the word of God to shame us. I AM NOT ASHAMED OF MY GOD.

But at the same time Muslims seem to be ashamed of their god and thier prophet.

You can quote me any passage from the bible and I will say AMEN.

But you quote Quran, Hadeeth, or Tsfir to a Muslim and they are quick to either throw the scholar under the buss, discredit the Hadeeth, or completely deny and or re interpret the quranic verse. How many times have we heard the quran doesn't say what it says it says.

YES MY GOD CALLED A WOMAN A DOG.
I SHOUT THIS FROM THE ROOF TOP. A DOG, who is not fit to receive the children bread. AMEN AMEN AMEN

I am a DOG and I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. I AM A DOG AND I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN BREAD.

Now my question for the Muslims are you fit to take the children bread?

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of Allah, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

(exegesis the Qur'an) should be exegetes the Qur'an.

The way he tries to interpret the Qur'an is truly a discredit to those who are trying to evangelize us.

But as I noted before reformed theology is mostly concerned with making sure it's people 'endure unto the end' -in other-words do not embrace Islam.

So they care very little with how they interact with others.

Arminians or those of the Wesleyan tradition should be a little more careful.

Yahya's critique is still justifiable in the light that Sam did mean it to be offensive.

That's nothing new it's known he is caustic.

But considering the facts...
Sam Shamoun (Nestorian background)
Nabeel Qureshi (Qadiani convert to Christianity)
David Wood (giving his sweat to a Jesuit university)
(James White) a pseudo-Calvinist.

These four ban together for the common cause against Islam it looks to me Christianity these days will take all the help it can get!

Christian apologetic is a restaurant with a huge hiring sign outside which reads: "Now Taking Warm Bodies"

maratsafin said...

the christians really cannot answer the questions about the new testaments jesus's blatant racist attitude.look at the rambling non answers from them.....hahahaha it just goes to show he only came for lost house of israel.
btw tgv,ken over at beggars all blog has linked a video from david woods blog,david tries to show proof of the icarnation and of the atonement failing both times. but he,ken, totally misrepresentted your view about jesus not dying for the sins of his enemies. I wanted to correct them but i realised i will probably be speaking to deaf ears.

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

'..YES MY GOD CALLED A WOMAN A DOG.
I SHOUT THIS FROM THE ROOF TOP. A DOG, who is not fit to receive the children bread. AMEN AMEN AMEN..'

Afterwards the christians turn around to us muslims and claim that their god is all about love ....

The Fat Man said...

maratsafin said...
the christians really cannot answer the questions about the new testaments jesus's blatant racist attitude.
Sir there is nothing to answer. As I said I celebrate I revel in the fact that he called this woman a DOG.
Now tell me are you a DOG? Are you worthy of the Childrens bread? Can you answer these questions.
sam1528 said...
Afterwards the christians turn around to us muslims and claim that their god is all about love
Yes he is a God of love as the passage clearly demonstrates. So answer the questions.
Are you a DOG? Are you worthy of the Childrens bread?

The Fat Man said...

maratsafin said...
the christians really cannot answer the questions about the new testaments jesus's blatant racist attitude.
Sir there is nothing to answer. As I said I celebrate I revel in the fact that he called this woman a DOG.
Now tell me are you a DOG? Are you worthy of the Childrens bread? Can you answer these questions.
sam1528 said...
Afterwards the christians turn around to us muslims and claim that their god is all about love
Yes he is a God of love as the passage clearly demonstrates. So answer the questions.
Are you a DOG? Are you worthy of the Childrens bread?

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

ha ha , the so called god who is full of love calling the woman a dog.

The best part you consider yourself dog. TQ , woof! woof! woof!

In an act of love , your so called god calls the woman a dog. No wonder he commands to slay his enemies.

The Fat Man said...

Sam so you don't consider your self a dog? Do you think you are worthy of the children's bread?

And you got Christ confused with Mohamed. We are commanded to love our enemies.

Ibn said...

Can I get an Amen to this?

She lusted after lovers with genitals as large as a donkey's and emissions like those of a horse (Ezekiel 23:20)

Ibn said...

FatMan: We are commanded to love our enemies.

Do you love Satan?

The Fat Man said...

Ibn

You better believe I say AMEN to Ezekiel 23:20. Pretty disgusting what the followers of Allah and others who worship false gods become.

And as far as your comment on Satan that is just childish it really is.

Ibn said...

Lover of donkey genitals and emissions: And as far as your comment on Satan that is just childish it really is.

So you love Satan?

Ibn said...

Fat:Pretty disgusting what the followers of Allah and others who worship false gods become.

That's coming from someone who just said Amen to donkey genitals and emissions.

Anonymous said...

It is interesting that so many Muslims are fixated on a passage that portrays idolatrous Israel as a harlot and speaks of her lusting after lovers with donkey size genitals. The fact that they all know it and assume it is being spoken of positively rather than as a graphic indictment of Israel's extreme wickedeness in the days of Ezekiel says a lot about the Muslim mindset.

Given that, just imagine what Muslims would do or how they would use the passage if it portrayed this sort of thing positively, or if it went so far as to suggest that the reward for those who are slain in the process of murdering others for God would be that they would be given donkey size genitals so they could better deflower the houris with swelling breasts in paradise who perpetually renew their virginity.

Anonymous said...

In an act of love, Jesus did for a "dog" what Muhammad couldn't do for the best of his followers not to mention the least of his "raisin-head" slaves.

The Fat Man said...

Ibn you are only demonstrating you have a childish mind.

Jesus tells us in Mathew 5:43-48 to love our enemies. The verse stated is as follows.

""You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies[b] and pray for those who persecute you,"

So is the Devil my neighbor, does the devil persecute me? Or is it HUMAN BEINGS who are my neighbors and my persecutors?

In 1 Peter 5:8 Peter calls the Devil "your enemy" but again what is the context the context of 1 Peter 5 is of SELF CONTROL, of not being greedy for money, be egar to serve, young men submit to your elders. All these things are eternal traits not exterior.

Here is 1 Peter 5:8 "Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings."

So can your neighbor make you greedy for money, can your neighbor make you disobey your elders, can your neighbor make you not serve others?

So the context of these two passages are clear. The former Jesus is talking about physical human beings people who are your enemy. In the latter Peter is talking about resisting evil temptations and desires so as to not to be the Devil Prey.

So you give the answers are Christians to love the devil?

Ibn said...

Anonymous now considers himself to be a psychologist. Apparently a really bad one, as bad as when he was an apologist.

The Fat Man said...

Anonymous said...

"Given that, just imagine what Muslims would do or how they would use the passage if it portrayed this sort of thing positively, or if it went so far as to suggest that the reward for those who are slain in the process of murdering others for God would be that they would be given donkey size genitals so they could better deflower the houris with swelling breasts in paradise who perpetually renew their virginity."

Anonymous you silly KUFFAR, don't you know that Allah's blessed will be given mile long penis's. That is bigger then a donkey. :)

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WomanForTruth101 said...

This fatman character has a sick mind. Reflects his religion but I'd think most Christians would ignore the vulgar Bible verses, instead fatman condones them with a simple "amen".
We can already see Christianity is false from reading the Bible, Christians like fatman don't need to prove it to us mentally.

The Fat Man said...

WomanForTruth101

That verse in EZ is you. That is what you are doing chasing after the false god of Allah.
Here let me quote the entire passage to put it in its context for you.

Her sister "Womanoftruth" saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12 She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13 I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way.

"But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans [a] portrayed in red, 15 with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. [b] 16 As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17 Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her nakedness, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister.

yes WomanofTruth GOD HAS TURNED AWAY FROM YOU. In revelations he "SPIT YOU OUT."

So remain in your filth remain in your Idolatry and remain just like your sisters Oholah and Oholibah. God has turned away from you and he has spit you out.

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sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

We muslims consider ourselves human beings not dogs. You / christians consider yourselves dogs. How do we communicate? woof! woof! woof!

Now you change your position that your so called god tells you to love your enemies but before that he commands christians to slay his enemies before him. You guys contradict yourselves. No wonder you consider yourselves dogs. Dogs follow their master blindly. woof! woof! woof!

Is it love or bigotry calling the woman a dog? woof! woof! woof!

Anonymousing said...

sam1528

you too are a dog before God. Amen to that. Praises and thanks to God for Ezekiel, every letter. Amen to that.

The Fat Man said...

sam1528 said...

Thank you for answering the first part of my question. Now can you answer the second part. Are you fit to take the children's bread? The children being the "lost sheep of Israel?

Now for your next nonsense. You said "Now you change your position that your so called god tells you to love your enemies"

When did I change my position sir? I quoted you two scriptures pointing out that the enemies that Christ is talking about is are earthly enemies, i.e. People like yourself. And the second verse talking about the Devil and how he is our enemy to resist because he is a spiritual enemy. I'm sorry if your simple mind can not grasp this concept.

Now for your next statement you said "he commands christians to slay his enemies before him." Can you show me where Christ says that?

Anonymousing said...

Anonymous said:

It is interesting that so many Muslims are fixated on a passage that portrays idolatrous Israel as a harlot and speaks of her lusting after lovers with donkey size genitals. The fact that they all know it and assume it is being spoken of positively rather than as a graphic indictment of Israel's extreme wickedeness in the days of Ezekiel says a lot about the Muslim mindset.

I have noticed this fixation also. No doubt it has to do with Muhammads whores-in-heaven-as-a-reward thing. Immorality passed down for 1400 yrs. Quite sad :(

But it is interesting. What is noted down by the Holy Bible as one of the most extreme forms of wickidness is actually somethin positive to look forward too in the Quran.

sam1528 said...

anonymousing ,

woof! woof! woof!

Bzzzt!! Wrong!! We muslims consider ourselves human beings. You christians consider yourselves dogs.

The proof? From you brother in christ , thefatman '..I am a DOG and I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. I AM A DOG AND I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN BREAD..'

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

The bigger question is why should we muslims take 'the children's bread'? Allah has provided for each of us and we work for it. Not like 'the children' who usurp land not belonging to them.

rev19:15 '..Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations..'.
luk19:27 '..But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me." (you will definately come back and say its a parable. However its a parable of biblical jesus speaking about himself ; '..pointing to the final destruction of all that are found in open rebellion against Christ.' , commentary from jamieson , fausset brown)

Loving your enemies and then killing them? Does this mean that christians are taught to be 2 faced? Interesting yeah?

You still have not answered the question. Is it love or bigotry calling the woman a dog?

woof! woof! woof!

Ali said...

Hey fatman tell me, is it the holy spirit or Satan guiding you to call us dogs? From your behaviour we can already tell we don't want that 'spirit' to possess us.
Whatever faith that says god spits on others is horrible, isn't it?

Ali said...

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Anonymousing said...

Fret not thy selfe because of the wicked men, neither be enuious for the euill doers. 2 For they shall soone bee cut downe like grasse, and shall wither as the greene herbe. 3 Trust thou in the Lord and do good: dwell in the land, and thou shalt be fed assuredly. 4 And delite thy selfe in the Lord, and hee shall giue thee thine hearts desire. 5 Commit thy way vnto the Lord, and trust in him, and he shall bring it to passe. 6 And he shall bring foorth thy righteousnes as the light, and thy iudgement as the noone day. 7 Waite patiently vpon the Lord and hope in him: fret not thy selfe for him which prospereth in his way: nor for the man that bringeth his enterprises to passe. 8 Cease from anger, and leaue off wrath: fret not thy selfe also to doe euill. 9 For euill doers shalbe cut off, and they that wait vpon the Lord, they shall inherite the land. A Psalme of David.

Ibn said...

FatMa: I am a DOG

Amen!

1moremuslim said...

The Fat Man:

God created us and gave us Honor above all the creatures, including Dogs. Calling a believer a Dog is highly condemned in Islam, that is blasphemy. You are equating the best of God's creation to Animals.

But in the Bible, you are not just a Dog, you are born like a donkey, say Amen to that! Job 11:12

The Fat Man said...

sam1528 said...
thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

The bigger question is why should we muslims take 'the children's bread'? Allah has provided for each of us and we work for it.
So Sam1528 are you saying that is how you would of responded to Christ, had you been that Canaanite woman? If not why not and what then would have been your response?

The Fat Man said...

1moremuslim
Oh the pride of Muslims. You know Pride is the Devil's favorite sin, followed by Vanity. Honor you speak of Honor, do you really think there is anything honorable in your SIN?

So tell me how would you of responded to Jesus had you been the Canaanite woman?

thegrandverbalizer19 said...
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The Fat Man said...

Sam1528 PART 1

Now I’m going to respond to your miss use of Luke 19:27. You are right it is a parable and it is a parable of what will happen to Muslims, Atheist, Jews, Hindus, Christian Hypocrites and everyone else who is not placed in Christ’s hands by the father in the last days.

Since you are a Muslim and you believe in Divine Judgment I assume you don’t have a problem with God’s wrath being poured out on those who do not believe in him. I can only assume that your problem is with your false assertion that it will be Christians who will be the instrument of God’s wrath on the wicked. Well rest assured Muslim unlike Islam theology were the rocks will call out to you Muslims saying “There is a Jew hiding behind me kill him” we Christians will not be the deliverers of Gods divine judgment.

So how is that passage to be interpreted? Who are the ones that are going to be doing the killing? This may come as a shock to you Muslims, but the bible has context, no Hadeeth or Tasfirs needed for interpretation. The bible is used to interpret itself, verse interprets verse.

In Mathew 13, Jesus tells a few parables, one of them “The parable of weeds” deals with the end of days just like the parable in Luke. Beginning in verse 24 the parable says that the Kingdom of God is like man who sowed seed in a field. Later weeds start to grow. The mans servants ask “Where did the weeds come from.” To which the man replies a “ENEMY” has sowed them. The servants then ask if they should pull them up, and the man responds “No” because they might pull the good seeds up with the weeds. Instead he tells them to let them grow together and at harvest time he will tell the HARVERSTERS TO PULL THE WEEDS UP FIRST, TIE THEM TOGETHER AND BURN THEM.

Begging in verse 36 Jesus gives the explanation of the parable of the weeds.

The man who sows the field is The Son of Man (jesus) The one who sows the weeds is the Devil, the weeds are the sons of the evil one, the harvest is the end of the age, and the HARVERSTERS are ANGELS.

So it is the angels who will be the ones tying up the evil ones and burning them. It is the Angels who will be the ones doing the KILLING and delivering Gods wrath on the wicked.

1moremuslim said...

Fat man:

Pride is to think that you are better than another human being. We are better than Dogs and swine that is a given.

Second: To call yourself a DOG, that your problem to call someone a Dog.

What i would have responded to Jesus if he call me a Dog. NOTHING, I would say he is the Anti Christ.

Anonymous said...

FatMan's been grouchy lately. I think a visit to the nearest fire hydrant will calm his nerves.

The Fat Man said...

That's strange part 2 was not posted. I will try again.

SAM1528 PART 2
Your reference to Rev 19:15 further supports this. You are right this is Jesus coming down from heaven, with a sword out of his mouth. But let’s read the verse in context of the passage. Begging with verse 11.
11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
So Christ is coming to Judge, with a Sword coming from his mouth. He is the WORD OF GOD. Remember he said when on the earth, “I have not come to judge, but the word you reject is what will judge you”. Well now is the time. The WORD is now going to judge the nations. “He treads the winepress of the fury of God’s Wrath”. The armies of Heaven are following him. Who are the armies of heaven? They are none other than his Angels, the harvesters.
So you see it is the heavenly hosts that do battle for us Christians, they are the ones who destroy evil, not man. God provides everything for us.
Well I look forward to your answer to my question on how you would respond to Jesus if you were the Canaanite woman.

The Fat Man said...

1moremuslim.

Pride is thinking you are something your are not. And you are not honorable sir in the eyes of GOD.

Wow you would respond that way. That is why you are lost, and not one of the Lost Children of Israel. You just demonstrated that you have no faith only pride.

Because the Woman responded "Yes but even the dogs get the crumbs off of the table"

To which he responded "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

See sir if God calls me a dog, I am happy to be that dog that gets the crumbs off of the children's table. And I am great full for those crumbs.

Anonymousing said...

Matthew 7.6 was mentioned:

Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

This parable speaks of “what is holy” or “sacred” ie. miracles of the kingdom and preaching of the Gospel [Gospel being the good news of Jesus]. It speaks to believers and says they should not continue in their preaching efforts to those who adamantly reject the Gospel with contemptss and scorn,. so believers may not waste time and go on to proclaim the Gospel to others.

The ones whomCONTINUE to reject the Gospel with scorn are compared to images of unworthy or hostile outsider in the covenantal community, scavenging animals (the Law forbade giving sacrificial meat to dogs or pigs). They will tear up your community and trample the Honor of God to pieces. They will mislead and confuse believers in the Body:

Let them alone: they are blind guides. And if the blind guide the blind, both shall fall into a pit. Matthew 15.14

Yet we are not to judge hypocritically or self righteously which Jesus rebukes in verses 1-5, as Mat. 7:5, the verse right before the “dog” verse, says to believers:

“Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.”

in fact, we are to judge not. The only type of “judgment” we are to employ with unbelievers is to distinguish their unbelief from true belief. What Christians have been doing on Yahya”s blog. we are not to condemn them for their faults but expose and be aware of their disbelief:

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 15

And how will we know if they are believers or not?:

By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7:16

But if the disbelievers continue to reject and tear up, trample the Gospel and cause trouble in the Body, we are to cut off our communications with them and move on so the Gospel may be preached to others:

And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, as ye go forth out of that house or that city, shake off the dust of your feet. Matthew 10:14

Those who reject Jesus and mock him reject Gods cleansing of their sins with His blood. They live in filth like dogs. This isn’t just an animal sacrifice by a fallible priest in the covenantal community, buta sacrifice for all of humanity for all of time, a perfect sacrifice which can only come from God. This sacrifice was even for those of us whom are unclean like dogs because of our unbelief and rejection of the sacrifice.

Amen to that. You can see why im here, its because I love and try to reach out to even you who mock Gods blood: “even the dogs get the crumbs off of the table". Unfortunately you reject the crumbs, you think your better.

Anonymousing said...

maratsafin,

You yourself are "being racist" by your own standard when you say: “ hahahaha it just goes to show he only came for lost house of israel.

So according to you Jesus had a “blatant racist attitude” because he was a Jew. Nice one.
Why do I even bother talking to some of you?

Surah 7:166 But when even after this they disdainfully persisted in that from which they were forbidden, We said to them, "Become apes—despised and disgraced!"

Surah 2:65 And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all."

(these verses speak of Allah literally transforming Jews and Christians into apes [some verses pigs] because they are Jews and Christian. Literally. You cannot get anymore racist and bigoted then that.)

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

Its such a simple analogy! God is to man what man is to dog! He rules over us like dogs have a master etc! And Jesus commands angels to bring evildoers to Him on Judgment day in order to carry out justice.

Anonymousing said...

Ibn said: “can I get an Amen to this”

Only if you lust after lovers with genitals as large as a donkeys and emissions like those of a horse, Ibn. Ill be more than happy to shun u if you admit something like that and Amen tha Ezekiel verse which condemns you.

Anonymousing said...

WomanForTruth101 said...

This fatman character has a sick mind. Reflects his religion but I'd think most Christians would ignore the vulgar Bible verses, instead fatman condones them with a simple "amen".

Sister you have to understand that the “vulgar Bible verses” as you call em are there in the first place because they are being condemned by God. The verses themselves are not to be condemned, the action the verses describe is to be condemned. Fatman Amens the verses for condemning that action. You seem to think completely opposite.

In your mind, if those verses had been approving of harlotry then FatMan should have condoned the action like the Quran does with whores, eternal erections, carnal desires in heaven, or a 50 yr old man marrying a 9 yr old girl?

If there were verses in the Quran which speak of Muhammad repenting and telling his followers not to follow his example on “inter-generational” “consummation” with “minors”, I would be the first one to Approve of those verses. You are hyppocrit, mam.

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

you said: We muslims consider ourselves human beings. You christians consider yourselves dogs.

Sam, you are not fit to receive the childrens bread either, dont kid yourself. And no of course Christians don’t consider themselves dogs in the physical sense like you manage to understand it:

Now, how much better is a human being than a sheep! Wherefore it is lawful to do what is good, on the Sabbath. Mat. 12:12

Like I said, you too are a dog before God.

Anonymousing said...

oh my gosh!

sam1528, you say: this mean that christians are taught to be 2 faced? Interesting yeah?

Two faced?! Christians aren’t killing anyone. AGAIN, those are Gods angels carrying out Gods wrath on Judgment day in Luke 19 just as Fatman explained it. Sorry I know you don’t want it to happen, but it will.

Speaking of two faced, what about Muhammad telling his followers to lie and deceive his old friends in order to slaughter them?

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." ... (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369)

Anonymousing said...

1moremuslim said: God created us and gave us Honor above all the creatures, including Dogs

Ya Muhamamd stole that concept from the Bible [Genesis] which gives us rule over all the creatures of the earth, including Dogs.

you then said something so shoking: Calling a believer a Dog is highly condemned in Islam...You are equating the best of God's creation to Animals.

If calling a believer by an animal’s name is highly condemned in Islam then why does Allah call fellow believers of Jesus monkeys and apes?

And why does Allah not give forgiveness to those people so they could believe also, like the Bible does, but instead Allah condemns those specific people to hell for all time?

You see everything is backwards in the Quran, it relies on draconian though. Instead of pure belief in God you have to be pure Muslim in God, following idolatrous practices that deter from faithfulness, bowing to rocks and praying to men three to five times a day.

Anonymousing said...

TGV said: I refuse to comment on this blog anymore as long as The FatMan partakes of it.

Great!!! More posts Fat Man! If one is fit enough and still does not understand that verse condemns harlotry then they can only be living in harlotry themselves.

TGV said: I think we have to get to a point where we want discussion, and not accusing women of harlotry.

This verse can be completely metaphorical for idolatry TGV. Whoring is idolatrous pagan worship. FatMan isn’t saying your girl lusts after genitals the size of donkeys (or I may be wrong), but lusts after phallic shaped pillars and kissable black rocks one dances around (idolatry will eventually lead to depravity like whoring anyway).

Besides I agree with Sam, your name should be TheGrandVerbalDiarrhea because you really have diarrhea of the mouth nonstop, with all due respect, a lot of noise no substance.

And the effort you put into the hateful lies displayed on your blog is putrid and disgusting to the core.

The Fat Man said...

Anonymousing said..
FatMan isn’t saying your girl lusts after genitals the size of donkeys (or I may be wrong),

You not wrong, I put her name in the place of the Idolatrous in EZ to demonstrate to her what this verses is speaking about. IDOLATRY and it condemns it in no uncertain terms.

WomanofTruth just as the passage in EZ 23 is in no way saying that the two woman really lust after donkey sized Gentile. In the same way what you are doing is is so vile in front of GOD that it's obscenity knows no bounds. He is expressing to you in no uncertain terms his disgust and disdain at what you are doing by worshiping another God besides YHWY.

I hope you realize that. If not in darkness I found you in darkness I leave you. No worse off but certainly no better.

The Fat Man said...

Anonymousing brother you are stealing my thunder lol

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

How would I respond to biblical jesus if I were the canaanite woman? I would call him a racist bigot as its not in his rights to call others 'dogs'.

My question which you have avoiding. Is it love or bigotry calling the woman a dog?

Now you are saying the bible interpret itself? Can I use this verse as interpretation? joh15:6 '..If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned..'. Commentary from jamesion , fausset , brown '..The one proper use of the vine is to bear fruit; failing this, it is good for one other thing--fuel..'. In other words , if you are not with biblical jesus , you will be killed according joh15:6.

The inconsistency of it all. Now you talk about context of rev19:15. How come the idea of context was lost when you quoted '..Well rest assured Muslim unlike Islam theology were the rocks will call out to you Muslims saying “There is a Jew hiding behind me kill him”..'. What happened to consistency? Are you practicing 2cor12:16 '..Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!..'??

woof! woof! woof!

sam1528 said...

anonymousing ,

woof! woof! woof!

From you ; '..God is to man what man is to dog! He rules over us like dogs have a master etc!..'

No issues with me. Christians can consider themselves dogs as your god consider you dogs. On the other hand , Allah has made us humans to be the best of creation and honored us.
(1) Quran95:4 '..We have indeed created man in the best of moulds..'.
(2) Quran17:70 '..We have honoured the sons of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure; and conferred on them special favours, above a great part of our creation..'

This begs the question. Which god do you want to serve
(a) the trinity that consider you christians dogs ; or
(2) Allah ; humans are the best of creation and have been honored.

Now you are running to Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369? The bible claims the same. In fact it goes one better. A person can be killed if he / she goes against a judge / priest ministering for god. deut17:12 '..The man who shows contempt for the judge or for the priest who stands ministering there to the LORD your God must be put to death..'. Biblical jesus approved of such as
(1) he was an israelite
(2) mat5:17 '..Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them..'

According to the biblical guideline , Prophet Muhammad(saw) did no wrong (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369). Your bible has refuted you.

woof! woof! woof!

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

you said: Christians can consider themselves dogs as your god consider you dogs. On the other hand , Allah has made us humans to be the best of creation and honored us.

Dang dude, it’s a simple analogy.

Lets see: The Bible has a parable which makes an analogy to dogs.

Lets see: The Quran has verses in which Allah LITERALLY TRANSFIGURES, MORPHS, JEWS and CHRISTIANS into APES AND PIGS. Is this normal? Is this how Allah treats his best of creation? And notice how incredibly racist and bigoted this story is, Muslims in modern times can look at a pig or ape and say, “look, there is the great ancestor of those Jews who did not keep the Sabbath”, and it would be Quranically correct. How much more hate filled can a religion get?

So I already gave you one Bible verse which speaks of humans being much greater then a sheep, for example (and if you know nething about ancient Hebrews u know that the sheep was considered a clean animal unlike dogs). Here is another one:

"Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? Mat. 6.26

And it is still my contention that Muhammad ripped the concept of “humans to be the best of creation” right from the Bible. As Genesis 1 says, humans are the only creatures created in the image of God [did Allah create in his image?]:

And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 27

God gives the human race dominion over all the earth and its creatures:

And God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and RULE over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." 28

you said: (1) Quran95:4 '..We have indeed created man in the best of moulds..'.

Interesting. From this verse I gather that animals and humans are really made out of “moulds” [best “mould” saved for humans] while in Christianity God ONLY creates MAN in HIS image. Only man.

you said: (2) Quran17:70 '..We have honoured the sons of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure; and conferred on them special favours, above a great part of our creation..'

These verses actually seem quite problematic to me. Its like animals were created out of the same “stuff” as humans, except that Allah set humans apart a little higher than the animals and bestowed favors on them.

Quite frankly, these verses do not say [like you imply] that humans are the “best” of creation, just that they had the “best mould”. and we certainly do, look at our able physical bodies compared to animals.

On a further note if Allah created everything on the same, lets say, “plane”, or level, and just set humans apart with the best “mould” [compared to the animal mould] and hooked them up with some favors, this begs the question: are humans just animals with the best bodies in Islam? do animals have souls and go to heaven in Islam like people?

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

you say that "Jesus would approve" of Muhammads lying in order to kill his ex-friend.

No im sorry sam, Jesus never approved two faced lying to your ex-friends in order to slaughter them. That’s all Muhammadan idolatry.

you then said: mat5:17 '..Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Amen to that. Jesus IS the LAW now!

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

next you claim that the bible "claims the same. In fact it goes one better", when i brought up the hadith in which Muhammad told his followers to lie in order to kill someone [Bukhari 5.369].

You also bring up Deuteronomy 17 and say "According to the biblical guideline , Prophet Muhammad(saw) did no wrong. Your bible has refuted you," in order to justify Muhammads despicable action.

The Bible has refuted Muhammad for telling his followers to lie, and you havent the slightest clue of what a "biblical guidline" is. Have you ever even read Deuteronomy?

If you read the chapter you quoted you will notice there is a theocratic covenantal community already in place, a divine jurisdiction committee, a divine local sanctuary, a central sanctuary, a tribunal with priestly and lay members, and a high priest.

Did Muhammad have any of those? Was Muhammad a high priest? No. He just told his follower to deceive his enemies in order to kill them. Under Deutronomical law Muhammad would have been executed for his actions.

U know sam I have a Quran too, a few of em, and I know that Islamic scholars leave little footnotes telling you where to look in the Bible to find “support” for what Muhammad was doing [ahadith also].

Back when I was still reading and studying the quran, every time I checked in the Bible for the “supporting” biblical passages it came back as a bunch of crock from the Islamic scholars.

Some Qurans wil tell you to look at this verse, and some will say another. But every time you do look at the verses, and if you have studied the five books of Moses thoroughly, you will know right away that these so called Islamic scholars pull any passage which remotely fits Muhammads action and use it for support, even when that passage is so contextually and theologically distant from what Muhammad actually did! You can feel the desperation in the polemic known as Quran.

But keep barking!

Anonymousing said...

Whoa! i just busted open the Quran to lookeda t surah 95! Right off the bat you get idolatry! You got the Fig, the Olive Tree, Mt. Sini, and then BAM city of Makkah! Lol? Where did that one come from? You guys have fun bowing down in Makkah or towards Makkah or towards any other land mass or rock or other idolitrous objects, God is dwelling there "waiting" for you huh? NO THANK YOU!

And now readin this verse, it seems my presups were right. Ahsan, ie the best, and Taqween, ie MOULD, MAKE, STRUCTURE, PATTERN, CONSTITUTION, FORM, SYMMETRY! Its all talking about PHYSICAL ASPECTS of HUMAN CREATION! So? Humans are nothing more then better moulds of animals in Islam!

and its hilarious!! the verse AFTER THAT ONE says: 95:5 "Then do We abase him (To be) the LOWEST of the LOW". um does this mean then that rebelious people against God are lower then dogs and sheep? Maybe just as low as apes pigs and rats like your Quran calls Jews and Christians?

Yahya Snow said...

OK..I see we have a flood of comments coming from Shamoun's camp.

@anonymousing, are you Sam Shamoun? The "barking" jibe seems to be a give away!

@Fatman, I will be emailing you shortly. I hvae been delayed by Walid Shoebat's son...he demands attention too :)


Fatman...upsetting the locals is not going to get you very far...you and anonymousing would hvae been censored by now on AM or Shamoun's page.

Anonymousing...don't think I have not noticed that sneaky trick of yours...give over.

sam1528 said...

anonymousing ,

woof! woof! woof!

You are giving us a sermon. We don't need emotional outburst. We want facts.

Waaah?? Suddenly its a simple analogy? This is what we got from you christians
'..From your brother in christ , thefatman '..I am a DOG and I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. I AM A DOG AND I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN BREAD..'
From you '..you too are a dog before God. Amen to that..'

When you are cornered , suddenly it becomes an analogy. Hmmm , changing your position once again. (You are no better than Gilette / Hicks - for those of you who have been following LFC saga.)

What is so racist about the sabbath breakers becoming pigs / monkeys? You break the law , you pay the penalty. To this very day , no god fearing jew will break the sabbath.

Interestingly from you '..in Christianity God ONLY creates MAN in HIS image. Only man..' Since the trinity regard man being dogs , is your god a dog?

Now we are in agreement that kaab ashraf according to the biblical law of deut17:12 must die. Your contention is that Prophet Muhammad(saw) permitted lying to lure Kaab Ashraf out so that Masalama can kill him. Once in a while , use your brains. What would have happened if Masalama told the truth? Consider the following scenario ;
'Yooohooo ... Kaaaab , Masalama here. You have been a bad boy , insulting muslim women / contempt and calling to wage war against the Prophet(saw). According to deut17:12 you are to be killed. Come out , lets get it over and done with ...'
What do you think Kaab Ashraf would have done? Oh yeah , you consider yourself a dog ... no brains.

From you '..The Bible has refuted Muhammad for telling his followers to lie..'. Your contention is now about lying?

Consider the following verses
joh7:9-10 '..Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret..'
luk19:31-31 '..Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31If anyone asks you, 'Why are you untying it?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it.'

Wow , lying and stealing yeah. The actions of a god man.

Rebellious people are nothing in the sight of god. Gee whiz , isn't it the same for christianity? rev19:15 state that biblical jesus will kill the rebellious people. What is exactly your complain?

Waaaah?? Fig , olives , mt sinai , suddenly its idolatry from you. Have you taken your medication? You seem to jump from one issue to another.

When everything has failed , bring up the so call worship of kaabah. This is pathetic. This has been refuted so many times , Quran22:26 '..We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House..'

Turning the tables , refer to the link ; http://centralpennsylvaniaorthodox.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/twelve_gospels.jpg

That is what we call idolatry. Provide a reference prohibiting worship of the cross in the bible.

woof! woof! woof!

sam1528 said...

anonymousing ,

woof! woof! woof!

You are giving us a sermon. We don't need emotional outburst. We want facts.

Waaah?? Suddenly its a simple analogy? This is what we got from you christians
'..From your brother in christ , thefatman '..I am a DOG and I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN'S BREAD. LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. I AM A DOG AND I AM NOT FIT TO RECEIVE THE CHILDREN BREAD..'
From you '..you too are a dog before God. Amen to that..'

When you are cornered , suddenly it becomes an analogy. Hmmm , changing your position once again. (You are no better than Gilette / Hicks - for those of you who have been following LFC saga.)

What is so racist about the sabbath breakers becoming pigs / monkeys? You break the law , you pay the penalty. To this very day , no god fearing jew will break the sabbath.

Interestingly from you '..in Christianity God ONLY creates MAN in HIS image. Only man..' Since the trinity regard man being dogs , is your god a dog?

Now we are in agreement that kaab ashraf according to the biblical law of deut17:12 must die. Your contention is that Prophet Muhammad(saw) permitted lying to lure Kaab Ashraf out so that Masalama can kill him. Once in a while , use your brains. What would have happened if Masalama told the truth? Consider the following scenario ;
'Yooohooo ... Kaaaab , Masalama here. You have been a bad boy , insulting muslim women / contempt and calling to wage war against the Prophet(saw). According to deut17:12 you are to be killed. Come out , lets get it over and done with ...'
What do you think Kaab Ashraf would have done? Oh yeah , you consider yourself a dog ... no brains.

1/2

sam1528 said...

2/2

From you '..The Bible has refuted Muhammad for telling his followers to lie..'. Your contention is now about lying?

Consider the following verses
joh7:9-10 '..Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret..'
luk19:31-31 '..Go to the village ahead of you, and as you enter it, you will find a colt tied there, which no one has ever ridden. Untie it and bring it here. 31If anyone asks you, 'Why are you untying it?' tell him, 'The Lord needs it.'

Wow , lying and stealing yeah. The actions of a god man.

Rebellious people are nothing in the sight of god. Gee whiz , isn't it the same for christianity? rev19:15 state that biblical jesus will kill the rebellious people. What is exactly your complain?

Waaaah?? Fig , olives , mt sinai , suddenly its idolatry from you. Have you taken your medication? You seem to jump from one issue to another.

When everything has failed , bring up the so call worship of kaabah. This is pathetic. This has been refuted so many times , Quran22:26 '..We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House..'

Turning the tables , refer to the link ; http://centralpennsylvaniaorthodox.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/twelve_gospels.jpg

That is what we call idolatry. Provide a reference prohibiting worship of the cross in the bible.

woof! woof! woof!

Ali said...

//No. He just told his follower to deceive his enemies in order to kill them.//

Any evidence for this dear holy-spirit-guided christian?

Hmm now lets go back to the Bible anonymousing. philippians 1:18 tells christians to lie, cheat and decieve for christ.

the bible itself speaks in a very degrading manner to non-christians:

"Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, 'I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,' says the Lord. 'And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. And I will be a Father to you, and you shall be sons and daughters to Me,' Says the Lord Almighty." (2 Corinthians 6:14-18).

right here in this verse we're told non-christians and low life scums (its what the word belial means)

and as the grandverbaliser ponted out, the new testement calls us dogs. LMAO

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The Fat Man said...

Sam1528

Yes John 15:28 is the end verse of the True Vine passage. In this passage Jesus says "He is the TRUE VINE, and the Father is the gardner. He cuts off every branch in me that does not bear fruit"

If a branch is not producing fruit then it is a dead branch and needs to be pruined from the Vine so the vine stays healthy.

Either way it is the Father who is doing the cutting not Christians.

A perfect example of this is the so called "Christian Reverts" who leave Christ to become Muslims. Ever listen to there revert stories. Joshua Evans comes to mind. The "Youth Minister" who never read bible, and after he began to read the bible so miss understood it that any 5th grade Sunday School student could see that.

This is a prime example of the Father cutting the dead branch. It is the Father who casts out the wicked not men.

Your 4th pragraph is really incoherent. You said...

"the inconsistency of it all. Now you talk about context of rev19:15. How come the idea of context was lost when you quoted '.."

I don't understand how you could say that it is inconsistent for God to deleiver his just wrath on a wicked people. In all of the verses it is the Hevenly Host, and not man that deleivers God's justice.

Question do you have a problem with God Judging and condeming the wicked?

I don't understand how the idea of Context was lost when I quoted the entire passage of Rev 19. It is clear that Christ is coming to judge the wicked with his Angels. Nowhere does it say the followers of Christ are in this Army. It is Christ who is stepping on the wine press of Gods Wrath.

Your kind of loosing it? Tell my how Christ, and the hevenly host judging the wicked is inconsisten?

Tell me how the Father cutting away the dead branches in Christ is inconsistent. Your not making much sense man.

The Fat Man said...

Sam1528 and IBN

So let me get this straight. You have a daughter who is suffering from demon possesion. You hear about a miracle worker who is able to cast out demons, heal the lame, the leppers, make a blind man see again, etc...

You run out to have your daughter cured and because he calls you a dog, you will either call him a anti Christ, or call him a racist bigot.

Amazing so because of your pride and vanity you would let your daughter continue to suffer under demon possession.Becasue the man who could heal her called you a DOG.

But more importantly it is because you have NO FAITH, that you would allow you own daughter to suffer.

Me I have faith, and I am grateful to be called a dog in God's kindgom, I am great full for the bread crumbs off of the children table.

It is by far better to be a dog in the Kingdom of God, sitting at the foot of the children's table eating the crumbs that fall. Then it is to be a ruler in Hell, eating a double portion of God's wrath, can you say SUPER SIZE ME.

The Fat Man said...

Yahya Snow,

So why would I be banned for proclaiming the Saving Grace of Christ on David Woods Blog? That makes no sense.

The Fat Man said...

Ali

Yes it is the Holy Spirit that convicts me, it is the Holy Spirit that Humbles me to the point of being a great full dog in God's Kingdom.

It is the spirit of Islam in you Muslims that causes you to be pride full and puffed up. This spirit will only lead you to Hell, where instead of the crumbs from God's table you will eat a double portion of his wrath. Enjoy

The Fat Man said...

Question for all the Muslims. Some of you have said how great Man is, how honorable he is, etc...

Tell me are you really honorable when you sin against GOD?

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

For the 4th time ; Is it love or bigotry biblical jesus calling the woman a dog? Don't be bashful / shy in answering the question.

joh15:6 '..such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned..'
From you (joh15:1) '..Father is the gardner. He cuts off every branch..'
In context , the 'father only does the cutting'. The 'gathering and throwing into the fire' can be interpreted to be done by christians , not the 'father / son'. This is perfectly in sync with luk19:27 '..bring them here and kill them in front of me..'

I would say 'alhamdulilah' to Bro Joshua Evans. He managed to break away from the man made belief of the trinity / biblical jesus being god.

What is the context of the hadith that state of trees / stones informing of jews hiding behind them?

Oops you are trying to divert the so called discussion. You were shouting that muslims kill but christians are lovey dovey. However in the bible there are verses that command christians to kill. You deny them. Either you are a hypocrite or have been living in a cave. You take pride of 'historical methods'. Walk into history. The killing by christians greatly outnumber the killing by all the other religions put together. That is fact.

woof! woof! woof!

sam1528 said...

thefatman ,

woof! woof! woof!

Give us facts , not emotional outburst. I would bring my daughter to the doctor for a professional medical viewpoint and make du'a to Allah for her recovery. Quran21:7 '..If ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message..'. The context of this verse is to consult people possessing the knowledge.

What is this about 'pride' / 'demon possession' / 'faith healing'? You want a faith healer? Here we have a christian faith healer :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xCwmw8tf7k&feature=player_embedded
(courtesy of bro Ibn Anwar)
Is this what you are talking about? Ka-ching!! There goes your hard earned money. Thank you but no thanks , a doctor will do for me.

How do you know christians will go to heaven? Can you provide a verse from the bible that christians have been promised heaven? 'eternal life' / 'kingdom of god' is not heaven. You can have 'eternal life' in hell which is also in the 'kingdom of god'.

Allah has promised heaven for the righteous muslims. Quran9:72 '..Allah hath promised to Believers, men and women, gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein, and beautiful mansions in gardens of everlasting bliss. But the greatest bliss is the good pleasure of Allah. that is the supreme felicity..'

We muslims have such promise from Allah. Anything from the trinity of such?

woof! woof! woof!

1moremuslim said...

To the Fat Man;
You need to read this carefully and understand it once for all. Christianity and Islam deffer regarding the view on SIN. You are seeing things from your perspective, which is completely fallacious from Islamic point of You. You need to put aside all your presuppositions, take a step back and reflect.
1/ Christianity:
God Created human being "perfect", he wanted him to remain perfect and stay in paradise. The "perfect" human failed, and became imperfect ( That proves that he was not perfect at first place). Now, that humans became imperfect with Sin, they were casted out from paradise, because God is too Holy to handle sinful creatures. God repented and he wished that he would have never created Adam in the first place. For Christians, being here on earth is just a mistake, and they have no choice but to regain their perfection in order to go back in the presence of a Holy God. Since God is too Holy for men, men need a mediator ( Who happens to be as Holy as God!!). And finally that Holy mediator took upon himself the SINS of people. So basically, What was the problem, suddenly, became the solution.

1/ Islam:
God created Adam to dwell on earth, and to be the successor of God on earth, worshiping God and doing his will. God created in Adam desires and he made him susceptible for Sin, but he gave him also guidance and the Ability to be righteous. God Created humans that way, because he wanted them to be that way. He did not make a mistake by making Humans sinful creatures, that was his goal. If God wanted, he could have created humans like Angels, whom don't know other than perfect obedience. God WANTED some people to be guided and God WANTED some to go astray.
In Islam, God is so Holy, Majestic and great, that the sins of humans are insignificant. If this whole universe was as significant as a wing of a mosquito, God would not have let a disbeliever drink a drop of water from it.( Hadith).

Bottom line: Humans are honored, because, despite our strong desires, we can always restraint, repent and purify our souls. Which Angels cannot do. We are given Free will. God says: The most Honorable among you are those who are the most God fearing.

Hope it's clear.

WomanForTruth101 said...

//A perfect example of this is the so called "Christian Reverts" who leave Christ to become Muslims. Ever listen to there revert stories. Joshua Evans comes to mind. The "Youth Minister" who never read bible, and after he began to read the bible so miss understood it that any 5th grade Sunday School student could see that.//

wtf? A youth minister never reading the bible? Are you high?
I've noticed Christians come up with the most ridiculous myths (kinda in pace with a book claiming god can die). Christians never admit to anything. no matter how many times we refute them, they'll ignore it.

fatman, clearly the holy spirit in you is why i'm not a christian (among many other things). This same spirit causes priests to murder and rape, is this your idea of how to get to heaven?

The Bible cannot compare to the Quran. From reading both one already knows that one of the books is man made. The powerful wording of the Quran outright tramples the Bible's errors and so forth.

The Fat Man said...

To paraphrase the blog owners latest article.

Meet the foul mouthed Womanoftruth.

Yahya Snow makes a big deal out of man using British Slang, that honestly most Americans including myself did not know was considered a swear word.

But yet hear comes a Muslima who drops a F bomb in his blog, even if it was just abbreviated. Nice Job Womanoftruth your such a classy Muslima. You pray to Allah with that mouth?

Now F bomb aside yes it is true that Joshua Evans stated in his testimony that he was youth minister, and he was challanged by his friend to read the bible since he never read it accept at church. He read it from begging to end he says, and was shocked he says shocked to find that Noaha planted a vinyard and got drunk from wine.

Demonstrating a complete lack of biblical understanding. Man is sinful and God is holy. He uses sinful men for his purpose, he does not create sinless or perfect men to demonstrate his mercy.

Womanoftruth also said in this foul mouthed tirade.

"fatman, clearly the holy spirit in you is why i'm not a christian (among many other things)."

The sad part is that she really thinks she made the choice. No Womanoftruth you didn't make that choice. You are the weed that grows up with the good seed, you are the branch that did not bear fruit in the true vine and was cut out by the Father, you were spit out by God. You will be gathered like all the other dead branches and weeds and thrown into the fire to be burned.

Yahya Snow said...

@fatman

I would not be surprised as to your use of bad language. For the record I don't support the use of bad language; having a blog and youtube leaves one open to many comments which are not the most uopright - it does not mean the owner of the board has sanctioned such behaviour

You are responsible for your own words and actions


As for Ted Shoebat's comment being ritish slang...you forget I AM BRITISH and Ted's language would be deemed inappropriate in British institutions. Ted is NOT British and if you think his laguage is fine then why did the Christian lady react the way she did? She clearly did not give approval.

To end the discussion, Fatman...try using the said word in church tomorrow...assuming you are planning to go

Peace

@womenfortruth

Fatman had a point about the language...please think about it

The Fat Man said...

Yahya Snow said...
"I would not be surprised as to your use of bad language."

So a Muslima curses on your blog and you attack me?

I challenge you to find anyone anyone on paltalk who has heard me or seen me type in text curse words as flippantly as your Muslim sister just did.

Now for the record I do not swear as a rule. Now I have been known from time to time to get a little salty in my speech when tempers flear. But even when I did stand up comedy a few times I never ever swore. I find it to be baseless and shows a lack of creativity.

Also for the record I did go off on your brother Osama Abdulla for saying "Latin Woman are the easiest to Bang" his words, on Davids Blog.

But even then I did it in Spanish. However David Wood and the others in the blog STRONGLY REBUKED ME. They didn't say "Osama has a point fatman think about it.

Your double standards and Hypocrisy are really showing.

A AMERICAN CHRISTIAN, uses a British slang word that has no meaning in american slang and all of a sudden it's like he is George Caralton to your delicate Muslim ears.

But a Muslim woman uses a abbreviated expression that is UNIVERSALLY known to be a curse word in its most vulgar state and all she get's is "Fatman has a point think about it".

Oh were is the outrage, where is the youtube video, where is condemnation?

I guess to you she was just saying "What the Neka7" (What the Marriage)

The Fat Man said...

Yahya Snow

One more thing on your foul mouthed Muslim sister and then I will leave it alone.

She disrespected you, she disrespected your blog. When I said what I said to Osama Abdullah for insluting my mother, sister, cousins, nieces, aunts etc... I did it out of emotion and anger. It was still disrespecting David Wood and his blog.

I apologized not only to David but to the Blog, and I even called ABN and apologized to David on air. Even though my anger was justified with the foul mouthed Osama Abdullah, the way I expressed it was not.

She disrespected you sir.

Yahya Snow said...

@Fatman

So,let me get this right...you send me off to interview a load of paltalkers to ascertain whther you use bad language THEN you come back and tell me you directed bad language at Osama Abdallah, albeit in Spanish. Does anybody else not notice the irony?

I have no interest in checking your history on a chat site, despite it being pretty easy as the Muslim brother with the heavy Australian accent is on YouTube so i could quite easily investigate your history for him as he is a paltalker

I based the statement of me not being shocked if YOU used bad language as you are pals with Sam, you have already admitted being disrespectful towards the Prophet of Islam (when I asked you via pm on YT) and your dismissal of Shoebat jnr's language as "slang". Do Christian host's always drop their jaws to slang?

I think you get the picture

I would also suggest you offer a first name so people are not calling you "Fatman" in response.you should consider this if you want to be taken seriously.

Surely, your Sam does not call you "fatman" in regular communication? Actually, I would not be surprised if your pal, Sam, used something stronger:)

How in th world did you to ever forge a friendship? (Rhetorical q)

As for womentruth "disrespecting" me and my blog...that is not for you to decide. Let the sinless cast the first stone..

Now you are comparing MY reporting and rebuking of CHRISTIAN apologists' disrespectful language and behaviour with my less time consuming and somewhat gentle rebuke of W4T...

Are you serious? Really...you have missed the point quite spectacularly indeed.

The "Christian" apologists are milking gullible CHRISTIANS for cash and I am doing you folk a favour by rebuking and reporting on such events via YT and blog articles. Thus SHOWING you which ones are insincere. Typical example, Shamoun acts like butter would not melt in his mouth whilst in front of White (or in church) but when he is amongst his immature cheerleaders then we see a different Shamoun...a VERY different Shamoun. All the while the bloke has the audacity to ask Christians for donations whilst under a false guise of sincerity!

Now, YOUR amnesia is getting the better of you; either that or you are operating a double standard.

Have you forgot the email exchange in which YOU admitted your insults towards the Prophet (which you made via paltalk)? Did I showcase that email via video or blogposting? No.

Why did I not showcase it? You are not asking Christians for cash.

W4T is not asking for cash either.

I am focussing my attention on charlatans in YOUR community...how about Christians actually tried to HELP me rather than wasting my time sending hateful comments my way or entering into futile exchanes with me.

"Fatman"...care to rebuke your pal Sam? You actually encouraged giving 100 dollars to Shamoun after I outed him for calling his YouTube debate opponent "a dog"

You have no pedigree in this arena. I denounce the use of bad language...if I see a Christian apologist (who is milking Christians for cash) use such language then I will feature the incident...God willing...n order to warn Christians away from him/her...ultimately savng them cash

So "Fatman"...the only one who should receive the dollars is yours truly:)

I'm saving you folk a load of cash by filtering out the insincere Christians!

PS...I don't want the "dollars"...I have no donate function on my blog, I serve the online CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM communities for free...however, if you have ANY information on Christian apologists' misbehaviour (screenshots and audio are favoured), PLEASE forward the evidence my way

Thanks


yahyasnow@hotmail.com

PS...have you noticed Sam has not had an outburst for days...I guess he knows the glass of scrutiny is firmly fixed on him

Yahya Snow said...

@Fatman

So,let me get this right...you send me off to interview a load of paltalkers to ascertain whther you use bad language THEN you come back and tell me you directed bad language at Osama Abdallah, albeit in Spanish. Does anybody else not notice the irony?

I have no interest in checking your history on a chat site, despite it being pretty easy as the Muslim brother with the heavy Australian accent is on YouTube so i could quite easily investigate your history for him as he is a paltalker

I based the statement of me not being shocked if YOU used bad language as you are pals with Sam, you have already admitted being disrespectful towards the Prophet of Islam (when I asked you via pm on YT) and your dismissal of Shoebat jnr's language as "slang". Do Christian host's always drop their jaws to slang?

I think you get the picture

I would also suggest you offer a first name so people are not calling you "Fatman" in response.you should consider this if you want to be taken seriously.

Surely, your Sam does not call you "fatman" in regular communication? Actually, I would not be surprised if your pal, Sam, used something stronger:)

How in th world did you to ever forge a friendship? (Rhetorical q)

As for womentruth "disrespecting" me and my blog...that is not for you to decide. Let the sinless cast the first stone..

Now you are comparing MY reporting and rebuking of CHRISTIAN apologists' disrespectful language and behaviour with my less time consuming and somewhat gentle rebuke of W4T...

Are you serious? Really...you have missed the point quite spectacularly indeed.

The "Christian" apologists are milking gullible CHRISTIANS for cash and I am doing you folk a favour by rebuking and reporting on such events via YT and blog articles. Thus SHOWING you which ones are insincere. Typical example, Shamoun acts like butter would not melt in his mouth whilst in front of White (or in church) but when he is amongst his immature cheerleaders then we see a different Shamoun...a VERY different Shamoun. All the while the bloke has the audacity to ask Christians for donations whilst under a false guise of sincerity!

Now, YOUR amnesia is getting the better of you; either that or you are operating a double standard.

Have you forgot the email exchange in which YOU admitted your insults towards the Prophet (which you made via paltalk)? Did I showcase that email via video or blogposting? No.

Why did I not showcase it? You are not asking Christians for cash.

W4T is not asking for cash either.

I am focussing my attention on charlatans in YOUR community...how about Christians actually tried to HELP me rather than wasting my time sending hateful comments my way or entering into futile exchanes with me.

"Fatman"...care to rebuke your pal Sam? You actually encouraged giving 100 dollars to Shamoun after I outed him for calling his YouTube debate opponent "a dog"

You have no pedigree in this arena. I denounce the use of bad language...if I see a Christian apologist (who is milking Christians for cash) use such language then I will feature the incident...God willing...n order to warn Christians away from him/her...ultimately savng them cash

So "Fatman"...the only one who should receive the dollars is yours truly:)

I'm saving you folk a load of cash by filtering out the insincere Christians!

PS...I don't want the "dollars"...I have no donate function on my blog, I serve the online CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM communities for free...however, if you have ANY information on Christian apologists' misbehaviour (screenshots and audio are favoured), PLEASE forward the evidence my way

Thanks


yahyasnow@hotmail.com

PS...have you noticed Sam has not had an outburst for days...I guess he knows the glass of scrutiny is firmly fixed on him

Anonymousing said...

Agreed Fatman. Nothing gets me worse then these fake Christians who converted to Islam. I mean cmon, if your going to say you were a Christian you could have AT LEAST read the Bible! I dont even call myself a Christian yet! (but i do proclaim Lord Jesus!). Being a Christian isnt as easy as saying the shahada.

90 percent of the so called converts to islam are nothing more then lonely secular leftists who need a friend an leave it after a few years anyway! (or are radicalized and blow themselves up)

But ya, just to let all you "converts from Christianity" know, you were never a Christian unless you read EVERY letter of the Bible. And thats just step one.

(heres looking at you patty)

James 5:7
Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield
its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains.

1moremuslim said...

TheFatMan:

"Demonstrating a complete lack of biblical understanding. Man is sinful and God is holy. He uses sinful men for his purpose

So according to the Bible, Noah is Sinful man. God used Noah to get rid of the Sinful ,en on the planet and let only Noah and his family who are also sinful men. What did God accomplished? What was the purpose of the flood?
You can disagree with Joshua Evans but you have to understand why he left this nonsense.

"God does not create perfect men to demonstrate his mercy."

Right on FatMan!! God didn't create us PERFECT. Why God doesn't create humans PERFECT if he wants them to be PERFECT? Is it the lack of his capacity? Or is it a mistake?

minoria said...

I have read the comments here,rather fast,today,and I want to add more information.

FIRST:the exact Greek word used is KYNARION/KUNARION,it means "little dogs/puppies",not dogs.In an article in French I said clearly that there Jesus was using the phrase in a METAPHORICAL way and the pagan woman understood that by using the diminutive(and the Greek does also mean puppies)she understood he was not trying to put her down,humiliate her,reject her.
You can translate the article into English using google translate:

http://translate.google.com/#auto|fr|

HERE IS THE ARTICLE:

"Did Jesus Insult a Pagan Woman?"

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/09/jesus-a-t-il-insulte-une-femme-paienne/

JESUS ALSO SAID IN THAT INCIDENT

It appears he said it to his disciples in an IRONICAL way:"I have only come for the lost sheep of Israel."

I argued in another article that of course it was ironical because JESUS considered himself to BE the MESSIAH,and in JUDAISM,and Jesus was a JEW,the MESSIAH was for the WORLD.Why?Because the Messianic prophecies say so.Here is the article:

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/09/est-ce-que-jesus-sest-limite-seulement-aux-juifs/

WomanForTruth101 said...

I don't swear either, maybe wtf stands what "what the frick", or "what the fiddle sticks"? In case you didn't know, it's what the younger generation says.
Yahya I didn't mean to be a "foul mouth" as fatman tried to direct. Next time in fatman's case, I won't be abbreviating rather I' be telling word for word.
BTW I've noticed the three letters "wtf" on the answeringmuslims blog (I believe it was either Simon, Adam or Aussia Christian). I've been called "born stupid" by you twice, I've been called a "man" by fernando and visit my youtube account. I keep all comments, go take a look what Christians say to me. So I suggest you telling your fellow Christians to keep clean.
I wonder If hypocrisy comes along with the holy spirit.

WomanForTruth101 said...

//Now F bomb aside yes it is true that Joshua Evans stated in his testimony that he was youth minister, and he was challanged by his friend to read the bible since he never read it accept at church. He read it from begging to end he says, and was shocked he says shocked to find that Noaha planted a vinyard and got drunk from wine.//

That still doesn't prove how a "youth minister" never read the Bible.
Where's your evidence someone challenged him?
And yeah, Noah of the Quran is honoured, that's what he was trying to say. His point was how Prophet's of the Quran were trustworthy men carrying out the message of God. Meanwhile the Bible, that's a little different.

Anonymousing said...

Hey Yahya, glad to hear from you again.

@anonymousing, are you Sam Shamoun? The "barking" jibe seems to be a give away!

No I am not Sam, although I do wish I had his knowledge of religion.

Its not a "jibe" you are getting from me, your Muslim colleague is literally barking at us in every post, i quote from him: "woof woof woof".

I simply told him to keep barking if he delights in it so.

And how is linking to sites from my tag a sneaky trick? Is that paranoia I detect?

Anonymousing said...

samn1528,

you said: Interestingly from you '..in Christianity God ONLY creates MAN in HIS image. Only man..' Since the trinity regard man being dogs , is your god a dog?

Sir, God is NOT a dog. Dogs sin, Jesus was pure an sinless. Sin is why we are unclean like dogs in the first place; you do not understand that, you think you’re holier than Thou.

you said: Now we are in agreement that kaab ashraf according to the biblical law of deut17:12 must die.

No we are not in agreement. Muhammad WOULD HAVE BEEN CLEARLY EXECUTED under MULTIPLE Deuteronomical indictments for many of his actions, but most importantly for being a false prophet. You still have yet to even demonstrate or state why in the world that verse from Deuteronomy justifies Muhammad’s deceit, from Deuteronomy please.

"These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. "Proverbs 6:16-19

you said: Your contention is that Prophet Muhammad(saw) permitted lying to lure Kaab Ashraf out so that Masalama can kill him. Once in a while , use your brains. What would have happened if Masalama told the truth?

And you go on to present a rediculous scenario.

Thank you for calling me a dog with no brains, again, and thank you for demonstrating my point.

You justify Muhammads deceit and lying since it makes luring your victim into slaughter that much easier! Oh ya, he had to lie I see your point now. Oh and of course he had to slaughter him for “waging war” on the prophet” (disagreement over the Kabaa?). Good thought process, real humble.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Anonymousing said...

sam1528,

you said: "Your contention is now about lying?," and then brought up Luke and John Bible verses.

Unbelievable. So you equate Muhammad telling his follower to deceive, lie, be two faced, hypocritical (cuz you do all these things when you lie the way Muhammad ordered it, to kill) in order to lure and kill his ex-friend nonetheless, and you equate that to Jesus telling His disciples to make a journey in secret by not preaching because they would have been killed?

They didn’t lie to anyone, they simply did not preach about their Master. You are a waste of finger strength, go study a Bible.

To justify the rock of idolatry you quote: Quran22:26 '..We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House..'

Quoting Surah 22.26 does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. That works only if you are already a Muslim and you believe Muhammad’s words.

There is absolutely nothing about the Kabaa until Muhammad took it over from the pagans. Its pagan tradition. THEN, AFTER (the pagans) Muhammad said “we gave it to Abraham”? that’s it? Sorry, its bowing in front of a rock.

you said: Turning the tables , refer to the link

The picture you showed me was a Greek (or other) Orthodox priest bowing in front of a crucifix. Now notice. The crucifix is symbolic for the ACTUAL CROSS AND PERSON OF JESUS NAILED TO IT.

This has some significance. When Jesus hung on that cross real time (pardon my expression good Christian brothers and sisters) people were bowing in front of Him.

When a Christian bows in front of a cross (which I have no problem with but don’t see the point in doing) they are symbolically bowing before Jesus on the Cross, I think that’s a little obvious.

What IS the Kabaa may I ask? What are you bowing, rather KISSING, to? What is it? Abraham? Moses? Muhammad? Allah? Baal? What is it?

Cuz it sure aint God. It’s a rock, with no “divinity”, just like EVERY CHRISTIAN knows that the cross is wood with no power, but for Christians it’s a symbolic representation of Lord Jesus dying for our sins, something that actually happened in history.

U don’t understand that. What is the Kabaa and the whole dance that goes with it and the kisses symbolic of? Pagan dance rituals? A mans dance?

He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. 2 Kings 18:3-4

Josiah smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles and covered the sites with human bones 2 Kings 23:14

Sorry, all the "sacred stones" had been smashed by God's people before Muhammad came along. Gods orders.

Anonymousing said...

Ali,

you said: Any evidence for this dear holy-spirit-guided christian?

Yes. I will bold and emphasize the “evidence” for you: "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (FALSE) thing (i.e. to DECEIVE Kab). "The Prophet said, "You MAY say it." (Sahih al-Bukhari 5.369)

BTW, one of your Muslim collegues already conceded the point that Muhammad lied, he just had a "good reason", from his explanation.

OK. Now notice the part where Muhammad says YOU MAY SAY IT. That is the "evidence". Not so hard to pick out is it?

you said: philippians 1:18 tells christians to lie, cheat and decieve for christ.

Ali, I noticed that after something is explained to you

[Like I took time to explain Phil. 1:18 to you in great detail before, wherein Paul says that he rejoices when his enemies preach about Christ even if it’s because of wrong intentions - I told you the words (about Christ) coming out of their mouths are TRUE, even though they say them for the wrong reason (to afflict Paul), and I even gave you a modern day example. All of which is NOT, as you claim, “lie, cheat and deceive for Christ”, and certainly no lying in any shape or form. All to which you have yet to respond]

you just react and say the same thing over like a bad record.

you said: right here in this verse we're told non-christians and low life scums (its what the word belial means)

OK? Is anyone else reading this? Low life scums? Really?

No that is NOT what the word Belial means, Ali. Maybe if your good an behave I’ll tell you what it means.

And obviousely this verse (along with probably any other Bible verse you ever quoted) does not say what you implied. But here we have it ladies and gents, low life scums. Thats a Christian in a Muslims mind, at least this Muslim. Seems like a step down from apes and pigs :(

Anonymousing said...

1moremuslim,

you said: God didn't create us PERFECT.

Uh? YES HE DID. HUMAN = PERFECT BEFORE FALL. U really dont have a shred of biblical understanding. Ever wonder why they call Jesus the OMEGA?

And are you sure your not atheist by the way? since the secular and hypocritical double standards your applying to the Bible can be as easily used to dismiss the Quran, in a breath.

Anonymousing said...

small correction:

I said to Ali, "that Muhammad lied", it should be "that Muhammad told his followers to lie"

Yahya I DO hope you post my three comments to sam and my comment to Ali.

I noticed you did not approve my comment to Woman4Truth from a few days ago :(

1moremuslim said...

To Anonymousing:

"Uh? YES HE DID. HUMAN = PERFECT BEFORE FALL. U really dont have a shred of biblical understanding. "

To be PERFECT means NEVER TO FALL. We have to believe in yet another oxymoron.
I have a PERFECT car, after one trip, the wheels got flat, the engine smoked and the gear broke down. But my car was PERFECT.
I don't have biblical understanding, you don't have understanding at all. Your only solution is to say that God tried to create a PERFECT human but he failed.

Ali said...

before i get to anything else, first anononymousing, you wrote about philippians 1:18 yes, but I respnded and you never replied back. again paul says he approves of FALSE MOTIVES to spread christ.
HAHAHA honestly, christians love dodging their own bible!! if you behave i'll give you english lessons.
the word 'belial' appears frequently in the bible, moslty in the OT in refference to non-believers. here is google's translation:

"Belial (also Belhor, Baalial, Beliar, Belias , Beliall, Beliel, Bilael, Belu; from Hebrew בְּלִיַּ֫עַל ; also named Matanbuchus, Mechembuchus, Meterbuchus in older scripts) is one of the seven princes of Hell and a demon in the Bible, Christian apocrypha, and Jewish apocrypha"

"is considered the source of the seven spirits of seduction that enter men at birth, the source of impurity and lying, and the spirit of darkness."

"Frequently used in the Old Testament in the form "sons of Belial" or "children of Belial;" the phrase denoted depravity and ruin. By intertestamental times Belial had become the proper name for Satan."

here's the free dictionary's translation:

"1. A personification of wickedness and ungodliness alluded to in the Bible.
2. One of the fallen angels who rebelled against God in Milton's Paradise Lost."

and finally dictionary.reference's translation:

"1. a demon mentioned frequently in apocalyptic literature: identified in the Christian tradition with the devil or Satan
2. (in the Old Testament and rabbinical literature) worthlessness or wickedness"

sam1528 said...
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sam1528 said...

anonymousing,

woof! woof! woof!

We are in agreement that kaab ashraf must die per deut17:12.

Your contention is about lying? There has been no response from you regarding the scenario that Masalama told the truth of him wanting to kill Kaab. To get it over and done with he lied. It could have saved others from death as Kaab could have called for help and a fight broke out. Common sense is not common with you.

Biblical jesus lied as he was afraid of his life? That is still lying. Double standards from you , once again.

The Quran is the holy reference for muslims. Quran22:26 ; not to associate worship with the kaabah. It does mean something ie. we don't worship the kaabah. Your argument that we muslims worship the kaabah have been thoroughly refuted buy the Quran.

Gave you the link explaining that idols were placed in / at the kaabah ~400 yrs before Prophet Muhammad(saw). This means that there were no idols before that thus debunking your argument of paganism. This is too esay.

Nobody dance around the kaabah. Kissing is not worship. Your argument is going from bad to worse.

Part 1 of 2

sam1528 said...

Part 2 of 2

Ha ha , when the table has been turned you are up in arms trying to explain that you don't worship the cross despite the photo of the christian priest in which you tried to label him greek orthodox to try to distance yourself from the act. Is he worshiping the cross or not?

Give us the biblical reference of
(1) people bowing to biblical jesus when he was hanging on the cross
(2) prohibition of worshiping the cross
If you can't provide the biblical reference , can we assume that what you have been explaining is just something that you made up along the way? Sure looks like it.

Ooooh , sacred stones smashed by god's people?
Gen28:18 '..Early the next morning Jacob took the stone he had placed under his head and set it up as a pillar and poured oil on top of it..'
gen35:14 '..Jacob set up a stone pillar at the place where God had talked with him, and he poured out a drink offering on it; he also poured oil on it..'

Looks like the christian god is a wishy washy god. Firstly 'stone pillars' were made and jacob revered it. Then you claim 'sacred stones' have been smashed by god's people. Looks like the christian god changes his mind once too often.

This is very funny. You claim that to muslims the kaabah is divine. However during the time of Prophet Muhammad(saw) , Bilal's call to prayers was from the top of the kaabah. Even now when the black shroud is being replaced with a new one , people stand on the kaabah. Take our simple challenge , stand on the cross - on the head of the figurine. Can you do that?

woof! woof! woof!

The Fat Man said...

Foul mouthed Womanoftruth said...

"That still doesn't prove how a "youth minister" never read the Bible.
Where's your evidence someone challenged him?"

You can view his testimony at this link Joshua Evans

In the first 45 seconds he says he was a former youth minister.

Then begging at the 10 min mark he says when he was almost 17 he was challenged by his older friend to read the bible, because in Joshua Evans own words he had never read the bible outside of church.

Oh and a youth minister has no authority in the church mostly the organize youth events like Joshua Evans said "Playing sports and eating pizza"

Like I said no real biblical background no real understanding.

The Fat Man said...

1moremuslim said....

So according to the Bible, Noah is Sinful man. God used Noah to get rid of the Sinful ,en on the planet and let only Noah and his family who are also sinful men. What did God accomplished? What was the purpose of the flood?

Yes Noaha was a created in the image of ADAM fallen man. The bible says that Noaha found favor in the lord, but does not say why the Lord favored him. Demonstrating that it is God who chooses man not man who chooses God.

So God destroys the flesh of the world because of Mans sins and spares Noaha. But sin is still in the world, sin was not destroyed with the flood.

The question to you Muslims the question that I have asked and am still waiting on a answer from Yahya Snow is why was sin not destroyed.

The answer from a biblical perspective is because Noah and his family survived.

To quote a jewish proverb not in the bible "A woman asked a Rabbi, "Rabbi how long will sin be in the world" The Rabbi responded "As long as woman give birth to Children"

The purpose of the flood is not to save and spare sinless men, but that God through his grace and mercy saves sinful men from his just wrath and destruction.

1moremuslim also said...
"You can disagree with Joshua Evans but you have to understand why he left this nonsense."

I do understand why he left Christ. Because he was a branch that did not bear fruit and he was cut out by the father from the true vine that is Christ. He demonstrated a total lack of biblical understanding. Also he lied in this testimony.

He said that the bible says "Noah was a alcoholic that he was drunkard this is the word used in the bible." The bible does not say that.

What the bible says is that after the flood he plants the first vineyard and drinks of the fruit of the vine and get's drunk. That is a far cry from Joshua Evans gross isojesus.

Joshua Evans also states that it is NOAH WHO SAVES MANKIND FROM THE FLOOD.

All this demonstrates a total lack of of biblical understanding.

1moremuslim said...

To the Fat MAN:

" The question to you Muslims the question that I have asked and am still waiting on a answer from Yahya Snow is why was sin not destroyed.


The question is too silly to be answered. God did not intend to destroy Sin. The purpose of the Flood is to destroy the Bad people and to save the righteous one Noah and his followers. Why Sin still exists? Because man was created susceptible for sins, Some men overcome their desires, they become righteous, others Chose to follow their desires they become sinful.

" The purpose of the flood is not to save and spare sinless men, but that God through his grace and mercy saves sinful men from his just wrath and destruction.

So the purpose of the Flood is to save sinful men... By destroying one million sinful men!! from where do you get all that wisdom? If God wanted to DESTROY sinful men , what would he have done then?

You are trying to defend Noah of the Bible from the label Drunkard, That is useless, to be a drunkard is not worst than an Idol worshiper, I am speaking about Salomon, of whom you have a part of the "Holy" Bible.

The Fat Man said...

1moremuslim
Thank you for your reply. I will reply to this on the latest post as i am tired of scrolling down to find this one. Also I want to respond on the Usama Dakaduk post.