Monday, 22 May 2017

Jay Smith's Pfander Films, Forgery, Killing Children + Inconsistency

Bible believing Trinitarians believe Jesus ordered the killing of women and infants in 1 Samuel 15:3 yet for some reason Trinitarian Islamophobes likes Beth Grove and Jay Smith use a forged narration claiming the Prophet had a woman killed for insulting him as an argument against Islam!

The Killing of Asma': True Story or Forgery?

Basically the charge is that the Prophet(P) had ordered the killing of Asma' when she insulted him with her poetry. As it is usually the case where the history of Islam and the character of the Prophet(P) is concerned, it is left to the Muslims to throw some light on authenticity of the story in which this incident is reported by the sources and educate the missionaries in matters which they have no clue about.

The story of the killing of Asma' bint Marwan is mentioned by Ibn Sa'd in Kitab At-Tabaqat Al-Kabir[3] and by the author of Kinz-ul-'Ummal under number 44131 who attributes it to Ibn Sa'd, Ibn 'Adiyy and Ibn 'Asaker. What is interesting is that Ibn 'Adiyy mentions it in his book Al-Kamel on the authority of Ja'far Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, and added that

...this isnâd (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it.[4]

It is also reported by Ibn al-Gawzi in Al-'Ilal[5] and is listed among other flawed reports.

So according to its isnâd, the report is forged - because one of its reporters is notorious for fabricating hadîth. Hence, such a story is rejected and is better off being put into the trash can.
(Taken from:

Video uploaded also here

And we see in genuine reports, Prophet Muhammad forbade the killing of women:

Saheeh Muslim
Book 019, Hadith Number 4319.
Chapter : Prohibition of killing women and children in war.
It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles fought by the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.

Maliks Muwatta
Book 021, Hadith Number 008.
Section : Prohibition against Killing Women and Children in Military Expeditions.

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that a son of Kab ibn Malik (Malik believed that ibn Shihab said it was Abd ar-Rahman ibn Kab) said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade those who fought ibn Abi Huqayq (a treacherous jew from Madina) to kill women and children. He said that one of the men fighting had said, 'The wife of ibn Abi Huqayq began screaming and I repeatedly raised my sword against her. Then I would remember the prohibition of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, so I would stop. Had it not been for that, we would have been rid of her.'"
Taken from here

More information of the false story of the killing of the poetess Asma Bint Marwan see:

TIDF The killing of Asma bint Marawan-Wafa Sultan مقتل عصماء بنت مروان

Killing of poets?


Sadegh's Testimony Story Is An Embarrassment to Chrisians - Unbelievable and Pfander Ministries!

Brief Chat on Andy Bannister's Approach to Evangelism Re Jonathan McLatichie's Facebook

Thoughts on Theodor Herzl's The Jewish State

More on the Westernised Christians at Pfander Ministries, Lizzie Schofield and Jay Smith

An Interesting Quote on the Gospel of Mark

Sharia Law against terrorism

Christians having dreams and converting to Islam

Learn about Islam