Before discussing Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes we should ask our Christian friends as to why they have MORE than twenty-two books in their Old Testament. Protestants (39), Catholics and other Churches ALL have MORE than twenty-two books in their OT canons. WHY??? [1]
ONLY twenty-two books enjoyed “confidence”
Geza Vermes tells us, according to Josephus, “only twenty-two books enjoyed confidence , implying that only they were held to be authoritative or canonical and no other writing was worthy of trust (see Against Apion I:38).” [2]
In fact, “the figure twenty-two was commonly accepted by Jews – and not only by Josephus – as representing the number of books in the biblical canon.” [2]
***See the update appended at the bottom for the Christian explanation courtesy of brother Ken***
Jesus never sanctioned the Christian Old Testament
“…more than one Qumran scholar maintains that no proper canon of the Old Testament existed until some time after the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE” [3]
So, Christians who claim Jesus sanctioned the Old Testament canon are indeed noticeably far off the mark – that is to say they are WRONG as a “proper canon” of the OT only came about AFTER Jesus’ earthly ministry.
Rabbis Doubted Song of Solomon and Ecclesiastes in the 2nd century CE!!
Some rabbis doubted the authority of these two books for internal reasons – in the case of the Song of Solomon it – the language was deemed unacceptable by the rabbis:
“…in the early second century CE questions were raised in rabbinic circles about the canonicity of the Song of Solomon (too erotic for the liking of some rabbis) and Ecclesiastes (because of the apparent doubts expressed in it regarding God)…” [3]
It gets one wondering:
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (NIV Jeremiah 8:8)
Conclusion
We see further problems the Christian evangelical community have to contemplate upon. Can Christians really claim their Old Testament is “inspired” despite the above information and the inter-church variation with regards to the OT canon – whilst remaining intellectually honest? I do not believe so.
UPDATE: A sincere Christian has offered an explanation with regards to Josephus' 22 book canon:
Yahya,
The 22 books of the Jews that Josephus mentions are the same as the 39 in the Protestant canon of the OT.
Ruth was appended to Judges.
Lamentations was appended to Jeremiah
the 12 minor prophets were considered "one scroll".
1 & 2 Samuel were one book, Samuel.
1 & 2 Kings were one book, Kings.
1 & 2 Chronicles were one book, Chronicles.
And Ezra and Nehemiah were one book.
Later in history, the Christians separated some of the books into parts 1-2 and the one scroll of the Twelve into 12 separate books, etc.
So, the 39 of Protestant bibles are the same as the Jewish Canon, in fact Protestants have stronger evidence than Roman Catholics on the canon of the OT, because of this.
The Jews did not accept the Apocrypha books that were written between Malachi and when John the Baptist came.
The Full quote of Against Apion 1:8 by Josephus, and he shows the books written from the 5 books of the Law of Moses, through the Prophets and to the time of Artaxerxes ( Esther(Xerxes), Ezra-Nehemiah, Malachi, Chronicles, Haggai, and Zechariah. (the period of the Persians - from Cyrus to Darius the Persian to Xerxes to Artaxerxes.)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/works/files/apion-1.htm
Romans 3:2 - the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God.
Malachi (and Chronicles) were the last written OT inspired Scriptures.
Luke quotes from Malachi 4:5-6 in Luke 1:17 to show that revelation stopped in Malachi (the time of Artaxerxes, in Persia, referenced in Against Apion 1:8 ( or in other versions 1:38-41) see
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/josephus/works/files/apion-1.htm
Luke quoting from Malachi shows the gap, that the books written in between (Apocrypha - Maccabees, etc.) were not inspired God-breathed revelation.
The 22 books that Josephus mentions are the same as the TaNakh (Law, Prophets, Writings) as in Luke 24:44.
Jesus
Josephus
Jews
and Jerome, the translator of the Vulgate around 400 AD
All affirm that same canon of the OT that protestants have today.
See Roger Beckwith, The OT Canon of the NT Church.
http://www.amazon.com/Testament-Canon-Church-Background-Judaism/dp/0802836178
Also, William Webster's articles are very good.
http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/apocryphaintroduction.html
Related:
Dr Jerald Dirks: Which Bible?
Sexism – a reason to change the Bible?
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[1] OT Protestant Bible is 39 books whilst the Roman Catholics add a number of books to this as well as additions to the book of Daniel and the book of Esther. Greek Orthodox add EVEN MORE than the Roman Catholics; they have a 151st Psalm rather than ending with 150. They have additions to the book of Jeremiah and add 3rd and 4th Maccabees amongst others. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church has a canon of 46 books in their Old Testament. [Refer to the notes from Dr Jerald Dirks’ lecture Which Bible?]
[2] The Story of the Scrolls, Geza Vermes, Penguin Books, 2010, p 101
[3] The Story of the Scrolls, Geza Vermes, Penguin Books, 2010, p 100
Friday, 11 March 2011
Thursday, 10 March 2011
Hamza Yusuf on Islamophobia and the rising Anti-Muslim Rehtoric
Pat Robertson and the Bill Maher’s show
Hamza Yusuf addresses Pat Robertson’s claim of Islam being “a violent political system” rather than a religion – Sheikh Hamza Yusuf denounces it as a “ridiculous” assumption.
Have Muslims replaced to Cold War communist bogeyman in the American psyche?
Interesting comment: Last year more people died from dog bites than from terrorist acts in America. Many of these attacks are carried out by fundamentalist CHRISTIANS against abortion doctors etc.
Media magnifying glass on the threat of terrorism
Sheikh Hamza Yusuf finds the distortion and over-blowing of the threat troublesome.
Sharia and the U.S
Quotes: “Sharia is not a threat to the U.S constitution”, “many aspects of the Sharia are completely distorted”, “America has always been multicultural”, and “If you live in America you have to follow US law”.
There are 16 states in America which are targeting Sharia!
Hamza Yusuf discusses Sharia and the misunderstandings behind such a Law. He teaches us it is mostly about prayer, fasting, charity. Islamic commercial law prohibits the exploitative usury laws which are in existence in the US.
Post 9/11 problems and Islamophobia
Sheikh Hamza Yusuf discusses Islamophobia and contrasts Europe (UK, France and Germany) with North America. He also touches on the impact on the Muslim community after 9/11. In fact there are more crimes against Jews than Muslims – so it is not as bad as people make out.
Presenting Islam as an “evil religion”
Sheikh Hamza Yusuf touches on the barrage of attacks directed against Islam via the media. The type of rhetoric Hamza Yusuf is concerned about is the mocking, attacks. Attacks such as demonising; “Muslims are demonically inspired” and “the Quran breeds terrorism” are denounced by Hamza Yusuf as “untruths”.
Peter King’s Congressional hearing on the “radicalization of American Muslims”
Quote: “Anything a Muslim does now, it is not seen as a lone nut case”
The right is trying to lump these isolated people (or small groups) into the larger Muslim community. These lone individuals/small groups do not represent Muslims as a whole.
Hamza Yusuf is concerned about the potential “demonization” of Muslims and is deeply troubled by idea of the US attacking Iran.
Muslims do have double standards
We, as Muslims, do criticize the West but are less vocal when it comes to wrongs committed by Muslim countries. Hamza Yusuf uses the poor treatment of South Asians (the maids) in Arabia as an example.
Protests in Orange County
Hamza Yusuf gives a balanced analysis of what happened at the protest. A lot of people left the protest when it became unsavory (i.e. aggressive). He does teach us (Muslims in the US) to acknowledge the pain/fear many Americans are experiencing.
Related:
Islamophobia in Orange County, CA
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/03/muslim-analysis-shocking-islamophobia.html
Arab Christian Islamophobes
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/03/arab-assyrian-christian-islamophobes.html
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Wednesday, 9 March 2011
Ergun Caner’s Latest Controversy and Brother James Keeps the Pressure on
Update: Ergun Caner is Back see here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/latest-ergun-caner-is-back-lying.html
Before moving on to some good journalistic endeavours from James White, I’d like to showcase an observation I made whilst on Ergun Caner’s official YouTube page.
Did I find a whopper of a lie? No, BUT I did notice Ergun Caner’s ONLY subscription was to a dishonest and shamed “Christian” ministry called Acts 17 Apologetics – which also passes itself off as learned in Islam. I guess the dishonest attract the dishonest I kid you not. The awful proof:
Note: to magnify, double click the image - do view the entire magnified image as the sub to Acts 17 is at the bottom left corner
Dishonesty attracts dishonesty
Just in case you are unaware of Acts 17’s extent of dishonesty. Here are the co-founders of Acts 17 ministries simply making stuff up (perhaps that’s what Ergun Caner was attracted to):
Nabeel Qureshi – a whopper of a lie
David Wood – Dangerous Lie
I’m pretty sure you are familiar with the Ergun Caner scandal – he was rumbled by a British Muslim vlogger (Mohammad Khan); ultimately the media got wind of it and dear old Ergun was removed from his position as the PRESIDENT of LIBERTY UNIVERSITY (yep the university where blokes such as Gary Habermas, Norman Geisler and co roll).
To put simply, it’s the biggest example of MUSLIMS helping to clean up Christian ministries bar none.
James White: Mark D. Siljander’s Book Endorsed by the shamed Ergun Caner
James White has been investigating Ergun Caner for a while and continues to heap the pressure on Caner’s shoulders with some silky journalistic endeavours. I know White has his faults and detractors but he has given those complicit in the Ergun Caner cover up both barrels and has kept Ergun Caner under scrutiny. The more shaky “Christian” missionaries put under scrutiny the better – they need an impetus to stick within the realms of honesty.
OK, endorsing a book is hardly a crime BUT endorsing a book which promotes the Insider Movement IS a crime – especially considering Ergun Caner has denounced the “camel toe” method as deceptive.
For those unaware, these are deceptive Christian missionary methods to convert Muslims to Christianity. This is how desperate these evangelical folk are. Inventive, yet deceptive!
Since brother James’ reporting the book endorsement was scrapped from Siljander’s website. Somebody has got something to hide. In any case, what in the world are folk doing seeking “endorsements” from brother Ergun? He knows next o nothing about Islam and is duplicitous to boot as highlighted by James showing Ergun disagreed with material within Siljander’s book but still endorsed it. What do book endorsements from Ergun Caner mean? Next to nothing. Could someone nudge brother Louis Ruggiero.
Christians CLOSE the doors!
Stop allowing the dishonest amongst your community to dress up as “authorities” in Islam while they know next to nothing. Last year, 2010, we spent a considerable amount of time rebuking the lies of James White’s friend (Sam Shamoun) along with the chaps at Acts 17, Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, ABN etc…
This year it seems to be the SAME players are still lurking. Ergun Caner is STILL very much active – Shamoun, Saleem, Wood, Dakdok, CP, Father Zakaria Botros and Shoebat are still plying their dishonest trades whilst covering up their past indiscretions. To this year’s bunch we can add Dr Kent Hovind to the list. I’m pretty sure we will find a few others to preoccupy us as 2011 unravels.
When are we going to see real and meaningful accountability coming out of Christian discernment ministries? When? We (Muslims) have been waiting centuries. Yes, centuries! (A brief history of Christian missionary deception).
Peruse this blog and you will see countless examples of deception from “Christian” evangelists who are representing you.
Question for the honest: Who’s more devious?
Right, we have the current crop of dishonest men in the Church BUT are they as dishonest and deplorable as the scribes who changed the Bible for inane reasons such as SEXISM?
A light hearted thought with a deadly serious subtext!
Related:
A new book by James White?
Ergun Caner vlogged
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/latest-ergun-caner-is-back-lying.html
Before moving on to some good journalistic endeavours from James White, I’d like to showcase an observation I made whilst on Ergun Caner’s official YouTube page.
Did I find a whopper of a lie? No, BUT I did notice Ergun Caner’s ONLY subscription was to a dishonest and shamed “Christian” ministry called Acts 17 Apologetics – which also passes itself off as learned in Islam. I guess the dishonest attract the dishonest I kid you not. The awful proof:
Note: to magnify, double click the image - do view the entire magnified image as the sub to Acts 17 is at the bottom left corner
Dishonesty attracts dishonesty
Just in case you are unaware of Acts 17’s extent of dishonesty. Here are the co-founders of Acts 17 ministries simply making stuff up (perhaps that’s what Ergun Caner was attracted to):
Nabeel Qureshi – a whopper of a lie
David Wood – Dangerous Lie
I’m pretty sure you are familiar with the Ergun Caner scandal – he was rumbled by a British Muslim vlogger (Mohammad Khan); ultimately the media got wind of it and dear old Ergun was removed from his position as the PRESIDENT of LIBERTY UNIVERSITY (yep the university where blokes such as Gary Habermas, Norman Geisler and co roll).
To put simply, it’s the biggest example of MUSLIMS helping to clean up Christian ministries bar none.
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| Endorsed |
James White has been investigating Ergun Caner for a while and continues to heap the pressure on Caner’s shoulders with some silky journalistic endeavours. I know White has his faults and detractors but he has given those complicit in the Ergun Caner cover up both barrels and has kept Ergun Caner under scrutiny. The more shaky “Christian” missionaries put under scrutiny the better – they need an impetus to stick within the realms of honesty.
OK, endorsing a book is hardly a crime BUT endorsing a book which promotes the Insider Movement IS a crime – especially considering Ergun Caner has denounced the “camel toe” method as deceptive.
For those unaware, these are deceptive Christian missionary methods to convert Muslims to Christianity. This is how desperate these evangelical folk are. Inventive, yet deceptive!
Since brother James’ reporting the book endorsement was scrapped from Siljander’s website. Somebody has got something to hide. In any case, what in the world are folk doing seeking “endorsements” from brother Ergun? He knows next o nothing about Islam and is duplicitous to boot as highlighted by James showing Ergun disagreed with material within Siljander’s book but still endorsed it. What do book endorsements from Ergun Caner mean? Next to nothing. Could someone nudge brother Louis Ruggiero.
Christians CLOSE the doors!
Stop allowing the dishonest amongst your community to dress up as “authorities” in Islam while they know next to nothing. Last year, 2010, we spent a considerable amount of time rebuking the lies of James White’s friend (Sam Shamoun) along with the chaps at Acts 17, Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, ABN etc…
This year it seems to be the SAME players are still lurking. Ergun Caner is STILL very much active – Shamoun, Saleem, Wood, Dakdok, CP, Father Zakaria Botros and Shoebat are still plying their dishonest trades whilst covering up their past indiscretions. To this year’s bunch we can add Dr Kent Hovind to the list. I’m pretty sure we will find a few others to preoccupy us as 2011 unravels.
When are we going to see real and meaningful accountability coming out of Christian discernment ministries? When? We (Muslims) have been waiting centuries. Yes, centuries! (A brief history of Christian missionary deception).
Peruse this blog and you will see countless examples of deception from “Christian” evangelists who are representing you.
Question for the honest: Who’s more devious?
Right, we have the current crop of dishonest men in the Church BUT are they as dishonest and deplorable as the scribes who changed the Bible for inane reasons such as SEXISM?
A light hearted thought with a deadly serious subtext!
Related:
A new book by James White?
Ergun Caner vlogged
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
Tuesday, 8 March 2011
Dr James Moffatt on Isaiah 9:6 and the Jewish View of Isaiah 9:6
If we were to read the translation of another Christian, for example Dr James Moffatt, we would find that in his translation ‘The Holy Bible Containing the Old and New Testaments’ the verse reads:
“For a child is born to us, a child has been given to us; the royal dignity he wears, and this the title bears – ‘A wonder of a counsellor, a divine hero, a father for all time, a peaceful prince’”
[Sourced from Misha’al ibn Abdullah’s What did Jesus Really Say, IANA, 2001, p108]
We can see, from Dr Moffatt's translation, Isaiah 9:6 is not pointing to the divinity of Jesus. In fact the Jewish interpretations teach us this verse does not even refer to Jesus at all!
Jewish view on Isaiah 9:6 (from JewsforJudaism)
There are several Jewish interpretations offered to explain this verse, but they all recognize that the verse is speaking of Hezekiah’s salvation from the threat of Sennacherib. The words “he called his name” can be read in three different ways. 1) That the following phrases are all names of the child (this is how the Christians read the verse). 2) That the phrases following the introduction (“he called his name”) are descriptions of the one doing the calling. 3) The concept of calling a name is not being used in its literal sense, but rather in a metaphoric sense as in Ruth 4:11, where the phrase “and call a name” is used to mean - making a mark, or leaving a memory. According to this interpretation the phrases are not names of the child or of the name-giver. Rather these describe concepts that people will associate with the memory of the child. All of these interpretations conform with the grammatical structure of the verse, and the Jewish commentators may utilize any of the three readings (or a combination of these explanations) of this introductory phrase.
Assuming that the names are titles of the child, one Jewish commentator offers the following interpretation. The child will be called “The Mighty God, Father unto eternity and Prince of peace is planning a wonder.” In other words, the child’s name is a complete sentence describing God’s action. Another interpretation in keeping with this reading of the introductory phrase ascribes all of these titles to Hezekiah, but changes the translation. Hezekiah was a wonderful counselor to his people. The words “e-l gibbor”, generally translate as “mighty God”, but they could just as easily mean “mighty warrior”, with no reference to divinity. In fact the same expression “el gibbor” is found in Ezekiel 32:21 (in the plural form) and the context makes it obvious that the reference is to humans with no connection to divine strength. “Avi ad” is generally translated as “father of eternity”, but that is not the literal meaning of the words. The literal translation is “father unto” or “father until”, with the implication of “father unto eternity.”
Some would argue that Hezekiah’s personal life reflected God’s control over time, for he merited two miracles that violated the natural laws of time (Isaiah 38). Others would say that the translation is incorrect, but rather it should read “father of spoils”, which is an apt description of Hezekiah’s victory over Sennacherib. And Hezekiah was indeed a prince of peace, as Isaiah prophesied (39:8).
The Targums refute the evangelical Christian missionary view
The oldest Jewish commentary (Targum – which probably predates the advent of Christianity) explains that the first three titles in the verse are those of the One giving the name, while the name given to the child is “prince of peace.” So God is the wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and Father unto (eternity), while Hezekiah is the prince of peace.
The spirit of the verse, is that the child will somehow be a cause for the salvation of the Jewish people from the oppression of Sennacherib. Indeed, Hezekiah’s prayer was the catalyst for God’s intervention on behalf of His people (Isaiah 37:21, 2Kings 19:20). Isaiah is comforting his people. Although Achaz (Hezekiah’s father) was evil, but his child was holy and righteous. In the merit of this holy child, who bore upon his shoulders the government of his people, the nation could hope to survive the onslaught of Sennacherib and his hordes.
[http://www.jewsforjudaism.org.au/node/26]
Conclusion
When Christians present passages from Isaiah PLEASE double check them as they impose their Trinitarian presuppositions upon the verses. The fact remains, Jesus did not teach the Trinity (as indicated by early Christian source material - the Gospel of Mark), yet over zealous missionaries impose Trinitarian understandings upon the Old Testament. I've even noted some neo-trinitarian Christians imposing their presuppositions to the OT and coming up with the conclusion of an ANGEL being God - I kid you not, there are some missionaries who DO go to such extents!
Search for the Truth and the Truth shall set you free...
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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“For a child is born to us, a child has been given to us; the royal dignity he wears, and this the title bears – ‘A wonder of a counsellor, a divine hero, a father for all time, a peaceful prince’”
[Sourced from Misha’al ibn Abdullah’s What did Jesus Really Say, IANA, 2001, p108]
We can see, from Dr Moffatt's translation, Isaiah 9:6 is not pointing to the divinity of Jesus. In fact the Jewish interpretations teach us this verse does not even refer to Jesus at all!
Jewish view on Isaiah 9:6 (from JewsforJudaism)
There are several Jewish interpretations offered to explain this verse, but they all recognize that the verse is speaking of Hezekiah’s salvation from the threat of Sennacherib. The words “he called his name” can be read in three different ways. 1) That the following phrases are all names of the child (this is how the Christians read the verse). 2) That the phrases following the introduction (“he called his name”) are descriptions of the one doing the calling. 3) The concept of calling a name is not being used in its literal sense, but rather in a metaphoric sense as in Ruth 4:11, where the phrase “and call a name” is used to mean - making a mark, or leaving a memory. According to this interpretation the phrases are not names of the child or of the name-giver. Rather these describe concepts that people will associate with the memory of the child. All of these interpretations conform with the grammatical structure of the verse, and the Jewish commentators may utilize any of the three readings (or a combination of these explanations) of this introductory phrase.
Assuming that the names are titles of the child, one Jewish commentator offers the following interpretation. The child will be called “The Mighty God, Father unto eternity and Prince of peace is planning a wonder.” In other words, the child’s name is a complete sentence describing God’s action. Another interpretation in keeping with this reading of the introductory phrase ascribes all of these titles to Hezekiah, but changes the translation. Hezekiah was a wonderful counselor to his people. The words “e-l gibbor”, generally translate as “mighty God”, but they could just as easily mean “mighty warrior”, with no reference to divinity. In fact the same expression “el gibbor” is found in Ezekiel 32:21 (in the plural form) and the context makes it obvious that the reference is to humans with no connection to divine strength. “Avi ad” is generally translated as “father of eternity”, but that is not the literal meaning of the words. The literal translation is “father unto” or “father until”, with the implication of “father unto eternity.”
Some would argue that Hezekiah’s personal life reflected God’s control over time, for he merited two miracles that violated the natural laws of time (Isaiah 38). Others would say that the translation is incorrect, but rather it should read “father of spoils”, which is an apt description of Hezekiah’s victory over Sennacherib. And Hezekiah was indeed a prince of peace, as Isaiah prophesied (39:8).
The Targums refute the evangelical Christian missionary view
The oldest Jewish commentary (Targum – which probably predates the advent of Christianity) explains that the first three titles in the verse are those of the One giving the name, while the name given to the child is “prince of peace.” So God is the wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, and Father unto (eternity), while Hezekiah is the prince of peace.
The spirit of the verse, is that the child will somehow be a cause for the salvation of the Jewish people from the oppression of Sennacherib. Indeed, Hezekiah’s prayer was the catalyst for God’s intervention on behalf of His people (Isaiah 37:21, 2Kings 19:20). Isaiah is comforting his people. Although Achaz (Hezekiah’s father) was evil, but his child was holy and righteous. In the merit of this holy child, who bore upon his shoulders the government of his people, the nation could hope to survive the onslaught of Sennacherib and his hordes.
[http://www.jewsforjudaism.org.au/node/26]
Conclusion
When Christians present passages from Isaiah PLEASE double check them as they impose their Trinitarian presuppositions upon the verses. The fact remains, Jesus did not teach the Trinity (as indicated by early Christian source material - the Gospel of Mark), yet over zealous missionaries impose Trinitarian understandings upon the Old Testament. I've even noted some neo-trinitarian Christians imposing their presuppositions to the OT and coming up with the conclusion of an ANGEL being God - I kid you not, there are some missionaries who DO go to such extents!
Search for the Truth and the Truth shall set you free...
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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Monday, 7 March 2011
Is Shia Labeouf a Muslim or Jew?
LaBeouf's mother is Jewish and his father is a Cajun (once described by LaBeouf as a "Ragin' Cajun"). LaBeouf was raised in his mother's Jewish religion and had a Bar Mitzvah, though he was also baptized
Muslims should not call this Hollywood actor a “Muslim” unless Shia Lebeouf claims to be a Muslim. The internet is awash with rumours. As Muslims we should strive for accuracy and steer clear of fueling misconceptions and hoaxes concerning celebrities.
Related:
Paris Hilton Conversion Hoax
Angelina Jolie defends Muslims
Hijab in the Bible
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Haters and the Pakistan porn statistics
People having dreams and becoming Muslim:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/christians-are-having-dreams-and.html
Quran Mathematical Miracle:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/quran-miracles-miracles-of-number-19-in.html
Conversions to Islam:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Conversions
Sunday, 6 March 2011
Arab + Assyrian Christian Islamophobes are Self Refuting!
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Sadly, there is a huge volume of Arab/Assyrian Christian Islamophobes on the internet; these people are propaganda merchants to say the least.
I’m sorry but when I hear the usual Islamophobic sentiment of “Muslims are ordered to kill all disbelievers” emanate from Arab/Assyrian Christians I simply roll my eyes and think all his/her carping is self-refuting; why did these “barbarous Muslims” spare you and your families – a question which rocks their anti-Muslim propaganda!
I could go further and point to the 5-15 million Coptic Christians in Egypt [1] – all alive and kicking despite Muslims having ruled Egypt since 641 CE [2]
Oh the irony, ISLAM saved Arab and Assyrian Christians – Islamophobes eat your hearts out!
Of course, the very reason why Muslims had not killed or forcefully converted their Arab/Assyrian Christian forefathers is because of ISLAM:
Whoever killed a Dhimmi will never smell Paradise [Sahih Bukhari, No 3166]
Prophet Muhammad also said said:
“Verily whoever oppressed a Dhimmi (a non-Muslim under Muslim rule), took from his rights, or took from him unjustly, then I am his opponent on judgment day…” [Ibn Hajar al Aslam, Muwafaqat al Khabar, Number 184/2] (Sourced from Mustafa Zayed’s Book Refutation of Robert Spencer)
*Dhimmi refers to “A non-Muslim living under the protection of an Islamic government” [Hilali/Khan's Glossary from their Translation of the Holy Quran]
Why were these folk not forcefully converted – Islam forbade it! [There is no compulsion in religion (see Quran 2:256)]
So, if the Islamophobic depictions of Muslims were true, our Arab/Assyrian Christian friends would not exist. The reason why they were not exterminated or forced into Islam was due to ISLAM’S tolerance.
Arab Christians less credible in the business of Islamophobia
I guess this is one of the reasons why Arab/Assyrian Islamophobes are afforded less credence in the West in comparison to Western Islamophobes. I mean, why aren’t the Arab/Assyrian Christians making as much cash out of Islamophobia as Western Islamophobes – after all, Islamophobia is a business…
Eradicating the Christian faith?
John Taylor Caroline confirms Muslims COULD have eliminated Christianity if they so wished BUT they did NOT:
But we have not heard – under Islamic rule – about any attempt to force non-Muslim communities to accept Islam, or about any organized oppression to eradicate the Christian faith. If the Muslim Caliphs had chosen the above two plans they would have swept Christianity with the same ease that Ferdinand and Isabella swept the Islamic faith out of Spain… [3]
Hmm, if Muslims are as bad as the Arab Christian Islamophobes are making out, then why did they not opt for a holocaust or a forced conversion on mass? The answer is ISLAM.
Eastern Churches testify to Islam’s tolerance
Yep, read it and weep, Islamophobes:
The eastern churches in Asia were already separated from the rest of the Christian world which was not to support them in any way considering them heretics of the religion. Therefore the sheer existence of these churches today is in itself a strong evidence of the general tolerance of Islamic governments towards them (Sir Thomas Walker Arnold) [3]
UPDATE: I have just been alerted to an excellent article by Adnan Rashid of the Hittin Institute which covers this issue extensively. An excerpt concerning the Egyptian Christians:
Egypt saved from the Chalcedonian persecution:
The same seems to have taken place in Egypt where, according to Dionysius, the Coptic Patriarch submitted Egypt voluntarily to the Muslims:
‘We have found in the tales and stories of Egyptians that Benjamin, the Patriarch of the Orthodox in Egypt at the time, delivered the country to the Arab general Amr b. al-As out of antipathy, that is enmity, towards Cyrus, the Chalcedonian (Byzantine) Patriarch in Egypt.’[12]
This enmity, however, was due to the persecution of the Orthodox Church in Egypt at the hands of the Byzantine Church. John of Nikiou (690 CE), who was a Coptic bishop in Nikiu (Egypt), confirmed the testimony of Dionysius:
‘When Muslims saw the weakness of the Romans and the hostility of the people to the emperor Heraclius because of the persecution wherewith he had visited all the land of Egypt in regard to the orthodox faith at the instigation of Cyrus the Chalcedonian Patriarch [in office 631/2-41], they became bolder and stronger in the war…And people began to help the Muslims.’[13]
And in some cases the Egyptians refused to fight the Muslims at all [14]. One must keep in mind that these are contemporary Christian sources testifying that the Muslims were actually being helped by the Egyptian Orthodox Coptic Christians to put the Chalcedonian Byzantine Christian persecution to rest. Alfred J. Butler, a leading authority on the history of Egypt, believed that the Muslim arrival benefited both Christian factions by enabling them to live in peace together under the Islamic protection:
‘After all that the Copts had suffered at the hands of the Romans and the Patriarch Cyrus, it would not have been unnatural if they had desired to retaliate upon the Melkites [the Romans]. But any such design, if they cherished it, was sternly discountenanced by ‘Amr, [the Muslim conqueror of Egypt] whose government was wisely tolerant but perfectly impartial between the two forms of religion. Many facts might be cited in proof of this contention…So that the two forms of Christianity must be imagined as subsisting side by side under the equal protection of the conquerors.’[15]
It is evident from the testimonies cited above that the Muslims came as a mercy for the wider Egyptian population. The Coptic Christians in Egypt were also a target for the Byzantine terror and it was this terror which caused the Copts to join the Muslims against their co-religionists. ‘Amr bin al-‘Aas (may Allah be pleased with him) had established a peaceful abode for all parties and this he did by implementing the Shariah Law in Egypt. Thus the real operation “Enduring Freedom” was accomplished successfully in the land of Pharaohs.
(Emphasis is mine - Yahya Snow)
You can (and should) read the ENTIRE article here - entitled A 7th Century War On Terror
Summary
We can see why Arab and Assyrian Islamophobes are taken with a pinch of salt as they go off on their spiel against Muslims. I invite you to move away from hatred and obfuscation by discussing the genuine objections to the Bible and the Trinity Muslims are advancing. Sly games of mud slinging are not helpful to anyone.
[1] Copts in Egypt constitute the largest Christian community in the Middle East, as well as the largest religious minority in the region, accounting for an estimated 10% of Egyptian population (Wikipedia)
[2] A Chronology of Islamic History 570-1000 CE, Ta-Ha Publishers Limited, p72
[3] Mustafa Zayed’s The Lies about Muhammad, How you were deceived into Islamophoia, 2010, p285
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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Friday, 4 March 2011
Muslim Analysis: Shocking Islamophobia in Orange County, California
We all know Islamophobes can be scary but when they band together the results can be terrifying. Here hundreds of them got together to ultimately hurl abuse and intimidate Muslims who were attending a CHARITY dinner (ICNA Relief 2011) at Yorba Linda, CA.
The usual culprits were involved in sponsoring the rally against Muslims; the Tea Party, ACT! For America, Pam Geller, etc.
Islamophobic Hate Comes to Orange County
Chants of “USA”
Erm, since when was a Muslim charity dinner anti-American? NEVER!
I guess these bigots needed something to chant.
Chants of: “Go back home”
Erm, America is their home. There are millions of Muslims in America. In fact, many are converting to Islam. Notable Muslim scholars/speakers are American converts – Hamza Yusuf, Zaid Shakir, Yusuf Estes, Dr Jerald Dirks, Dr Laurence Brown etc.
In any case, America was built upon immigration – Muslim immigrants (and their children) have as much right to call America their home as ANY other America. Do we forget the Native Americans were butchered to make way for the waves of Western migrants?
“Pure unadulterated evil”
Villa Park Council woman (Deborah Pauly) calls it “pure unadulterated evil”. Since when was a CHARITY event "pure evil"? Talk about hysterical!
Oh she does append it with – “I don’t even care if you think I’m crazy”.
Deborah Pauly inciting violence?
Oh, she “knows quite a few marines who will help these terrorists to an early meeting in Paradise”
Talk about whipping a few hundred bigots up into a frenzy of hatred.
Insulting Prophet Muhammad (p)
One bigot shouts “Muhammad is a child molester”, “pervert”.
Sadly, these folk are fed drivel from the internet. The marriage to Aisha (ra) was only consummated when she had reached mental and physical maturity. The Jesus scholar, Geza Vermes, suggests this type of union was in place at the time of Jesus. I guess bigots and scholarship do not go together. Rather than intimidating Muslim women and kids how about this man opened up a few books and checked the minimum age of marriage in his state a couple of hundred years ago.
“Muhammad was a fraud”
The same bigot yells “Muhammad was a fraud” and “false Prophet”. Muhammad had a chance to become the richest man Arabia (a king) but he declined in favour of his message. He performed healings and many other wondrous signs (miracles) whilst calling people to the worship of God. If you are going to call Muhammad a fraud then you are effectively calling Jesus a fraud too – if you are consistent!
Last I checked, frauds don’t perform miracles and call to the worship of the God of Abraham – Muhammad was NO FRAUD.
Try reading something other than drivel from anti-Muslim websites!
"Stupid terrorist, go home..do you beat up you wife…are you a molester"
This woman goes into overdrive with her bigotry. She equates terrorists with Muslims despite there being FBI stats out there telling us Muslims make up less than 10% of terrorists. All terrorists are not Muslims. In fact, Islam forbids terrorism.
As for beating up wives every night– she has been visiting too many hate sites. Sad.
“Cowards”
One woman is yelling “cowards”. Erm, since when was it brave to bring a bunch of bigots and intimidate families (including girls and boys) of minorities? Who are the real cowards?
“Sex with a nine year old”
Bigots always bring this up to demonise Muslims. It’s been explained a ton of times. Here is the American scholar, Hamza Yusuf speaking on the topic:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Aisha
"One nation under God, not Allah"
I’m not kidding, one lady really yelled that!
Allah is God! Check your Arabic Bible and you will see the word for God is Allah. I guess they just don’t educate folk thoroughly in their hate camp.
"Take you Sharia, go home and eat sand"
Eat sand? Sharia? Crikey, talk about all the stereotypes!
Waving American flags
I guess these bigots needed something to wave.
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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The usual culprits were involved in sponsoring the rally against Muslims; the Tea Party, ACT! For America, Pam Geller, etc.
Islamophobic Hate Comes to Orange County
Chants of “USA”
Erm, since when was a Muslim charity dinner anti-American? NEVER!
I guess these bigots needed something to chant.
Chants of: “Go back home”
Erm, America is their home. There are millions of Muslims in America. In fact, many are converting to Islam. Notable Muslim scholars/speakers are American converts – Hamza Yusuf, Zaid Shakir, Yusuf Estes, Dr Jerald Dirks, Dr Laurence Brown etc.
In any case, America was built upon immigration – Muslim immigrants (and their children) have as much right to call America their home as ANY other America. Do we forget the Native Americans were butchered to make way for the waves of Western migrants?
“Pure unadulterated evil”
Villa Park Council woman (Deborah Pauly) calls it “pure unadulterated evil”. Since when was a CHARITY event "pure evil"? Talk about hysterical!
Oh she does append it with – “I don’t even care if you think I’m crazy”.
Deborah Pauly inciting violence?
Oh, she “knows quite a few marines who will help these terrorists to an early meeting in Paradise”
Talk about whipping a few hundred bigots up into a frenzy of hatred.
Insulting Prophet Muhammad (p)
One bigot shouts “Muhammad is a child molester”, “pervert”.
Sadly, these folk are fed drivel from the internet. The marriage to Aisha (ra) was only consummated when she had reached mental and physical maturity. The Jesus scholar, Geza Vermes, suggests this type of union was in place at the time of Jesus. I guess bigots and scholarship do not go together. Rather than intimidating Muslim women and kids how about this man opened up a few books and checked the minimum age of marriage in his state a couple of hundred years ago.
“Muhammad was a fraud”
The same bigot yells “Muhammad was a fraud” and “false Prophet”. Muhammad had a chance to become the richest man Arabia (a king) but he declined in favour of his message. He performed healings and many other wondrous signs (miracles) whilst calling people to the worship of God. If you are going to call Muhammad a fraud then you are effectively calling Jesus a fraud too – if you are consistent!
Last I checked, frauds don’t perform miracles and call to the worship of the God of Abraham – Muhammad was NO FRAUD.
Try reading something other than drivel from anti-Muslim websites!
"Stupid terrorist, go home..do you beat up you wife…are you a molester"
This woman goes into overdrive with her bigotry. She equates terrorists with Muslims despite there being FBI stats out there telling us Muslims make up less than 10% of terrorists. All terrorists are not Muslims. In fact, Islam forbids terrorism.
As for beating up wives every night– she has been visiting too many hate sites. Sad.
“Cowards”
One woman is yelling “cowards”. Erm, since when was it brave to bring a bunch of bigots and intimidate families (including girls and boys) of minorities? Who are the real cowards?
“Sex with a nine year old”
Bigots always bring this up to demonise Muslims. It’s been explained a ton of times. Here is the American scholar, Hamza Yusuf speaking on the topic:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Aisha
"One nation under God, not Allah"
I’m not kidding, one lady really yelled that!
Allah is God! Check your Arabic Bible and you will see the word for God is Allah. I guess they just don’t educate folk thoroughly in their hate camp.
"Take you Sharia, go home and eat sand"
Eat sand? Sharia? Crikey, talk about all the stereotypes!
Waving American flags
I guess these bigots needed something to wave.
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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Mayor John O'Reilly Attacked by AnsweringMuslims.Com
Crikey, the propaganda machine of Acts 17 Apologetics just does not know when to quit. Here, they have Mayor John O Reilly depicted as Hitler, a “Sharia-enforcer”, an anti-Christian zealot etc…
When David Wood of Acts 17 is not towing his followers to Islamic events, raising cash to buy Islamophobic bigots fancy new computers or lying about Islam, he is making videos of this nature. I get the feeling the bloke has too much time on his hands.
Dearborn Mayor John O'Reilly - Hitler Rant Against Acts 17
Honesty is the best policy – not exaggeration and bigotry
David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi would do well to drop the act of “Sharia in Dearborn!" There is NO Sharia there. Stop with this scaremongering – the simpletons amongst the online Islamophobic community will believe it and make it a Muslim Vs Christian issue – perhaps that’s what Dishonest Dave wants.
Yes, the police and the mayor did set Acts 17 up BUT it was not due to “Sharia” or pressure from “Muslims”. KEEP MUSLIMS AND ISLAM OUT OF THIS. Muslims in Dearborn have it tough enough already, the last thing they need is a new batch of boneheads being borne due to Acts 17’s drive for publicity and scaremongering.
The Christian volunteer is a the centre of this saga – his false complaint initiated the “arrests” and the over-zealous desire for the Dearborn Police Force to arrest Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, Paul Rezkalla and Negeen Mayel (I’d imagine due to the negative perception they had of Acts 17) IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS.
For some reason, Dishonest Dave continues to peddle this as a Muslim issue. I'd imagine this man's desire for publicity and expressions of bigotry lie (pun intended) behind such an approach. It’s not a Muslim thing. The real protagonists are indeed Non-Muslims (Christians?):
The Christian volunteer (Roger Williams), The “Christians”at Acts 17, Mayor O Reilly and the Dearborn Police Department.
Do not use it as a reason to bash Muslims
Acts 17 – a history of propaganda against Islam
Here are a few dishonest bouts from:
Nabeel Qureshi (Acts 17)
David Wood (Acts 17)
Propaganda campaigns
My advice to Dave Wood; stop with your propaganda campaigns and publicity-courting. You have a court case pending; allow the brunt of the law to take effect. In the meanwhile, try to keep your nose clean – I do not want to be admonishing you for ANY MORE lies regarding Islam – you have offered more than enough to keep us busy.
However, if Dave wants to put his video making skills to use, he would do well to make a video about the dishonest Bible scribes - who were changing the bible for reasons such as sexism, I'm not kidding:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/02/sexism-led-scribes-to-change-bible.html
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
When David Wood of Acts 17 is not towing his followers to Islamic events, raising cash to buy Islamophobic bigots fancy new computers or lying about Islam, he is making videos of this nature. I get the feeling the bloke has too much time on his hands.
Dearborn Mayor John O'Reilly - Hitler Rant Against Acts 17
Honesty is the best policy – not exaggeration and bigotry
David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi would do well to drop the act of “Sharia in Dearborn!" There is NO Sharia there. Stop with this scaremongering – the simpletons amongst the online Islamophobic community will believe it and make it a Muslim Vs Christian issue – perhaps that’s what Dishonest Dave wants.
Yes, the police and the mayor did set Acts 17 up BUT it was not due to “Sharia” or pressure from “Muslims”. KEEP MUSLIMS AND ISLAM OUT OF THIS. Muslims in Dearborn have it tough enough already, the last thing they need is a new batch of boneheads being borne due to Acts 17’s drive for publicity and scaremongering.
The Christian volunteer is a the centre of this saga – his false complaint initiated the “arrests” and the over-zealous desire for the Dearborn Police Force to arrest Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, Paul Rezkalla and Negeen Mayel (I’d imagine due to the negative perception they had of Acts 17) IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS.
For some reason, Dishonest Dave continues to peddle this as a Muslim issue. I'd imagine this man's desire for publicity and expressions of bigotry lie (pun intended) behind such an approach. It’s not a Muslim thing. The real protagonists are indeed Non-Muslims (Christians?):
The Christian volunteer (Roger Williams), The “Christians”at Acts 17, Mayor O Reilly and the Dearborn Police Department.
Do not use it as a reason to bash Muslims
Acts 17 – a history of propaganda against Islam
Here are a few dishonest bouts from:
Nabeel Qureshi (Acts 17)
David Wood (Acts 17)
Propaganda campaigns
My advice to Dave Wood; stop with your propaganda campaigns and publicity-courting. You have a court case pending; allow the brunt of the law to take effect. In the meanwhile, try to keep your nose clean – I do not want to be admonishing you for ANY MORE lies regarding Islam – you have offered more than enough to keep us busy.
However, if Dave wants to put his video making skills to use, he would do well to make a video about the dishonest Bible scribes - who were changing the bible for reasons such as sexism, I'm not kidding:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2011/02/sexism-led-scribes-to-change-bible.html
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
Wednesday, 2 March 2011
Muslim Response to : I want to have sex, drink, party, die and still go to Heaven!
You know, this type of attitude is common in the West. In my dawah activities I’ve come across people who genuinely object to Islam because they want to continue with their current lifestyle. In Britain we have a huge pub culture and there are people who object to not being able to drink alcohol. I used to tackle this issue by going down the health route but Nouman Ali Khan has given a response which cuts through the standard approach and invites you to the Lord in a beautiful fashion.
If you are not a Muslim PLEASE listen to this and think seriously about Islam
Brilliant response by Nouman Ali Khan to non-muslims
God being The Self-Sufficient is not in need of any of us. Rather, we are in need him as we are the created and he is The Creator. If this point is instilled in the mind of an individual he/she finds a unique determination. There is more to life than just drinking, partying, and intimacy.
In this episode of TheDeenshow the questioner wants to know why they can't have sex when they want to, with whomever they want, and then be able to party and drink and follow their own way of life without obeying God, and then after they die they still be able to go to heaven. This question makes for a great topic, enjoy this week's show.
Topics discussedIntroduction [start time 00:00]
Life of a Submissive Muslim is boring [start time 05:29]
Why were we put on this earth? [start time 08:19]
Finding your soul mate in Islam [start time 11:55]
Living for the weekend [start time 14:33]
Women in Islam [start time 18:31]
Are all religions man-made? [start time 21:43]
Death [start time 25:27]
Conclusion [start time 27:19]
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
If you are not a Muslim PLEASE listen to this and think seriously about Islam
Brilliant response by Nouman Ali Khan to non-muslims
God being The Self-Sufficient is not in need of any of us. Rather, we are in need him as we are the created and he is The Creator. If this point is instilled in the mind of an individual he/she finds a unique determination. There is more to life than just drinking, partying, and intimacy.
In this episode of TheDeenshow the questioner wants to know why they can't have sex when they want to, with whomever they want, and then be able to party and drink and follow their own way of life without obeying God, and then after they die they still be able to go to heaven. This question makes for a great topic, enjoy this week's show.
Topics discussedIntroduction [start time 00:00]
Life of a Submissive Muslim is boring [start time 05:29]
Why were we put on this earth? [start time 08:19]
Finding your soul mate in Islam [start time 11:55]
Living for the weekend [start time 14:33]
Women in Islam [start time 18:31]
Are all religions man-made? [start time 21:43]
Death [start time 25:27]
Conclusion [start time 27:19]
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
Monday, 28 February 2011
Christians Reject the Holy Spirit
Is the Holy Spirit Jesus’ God?
Right, we know Christians believe Jesus had a human nature as well as a divine nature (“the god-man”). You’d think Christians would believe the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father were ALL the God of the human nature of Jesus as Christians believe all three to be “persons” of God. However, Christian beliefs to do with the Holy Spirit and the Trinity in general never cease to baffle.
One Christian apologist, in response to this difficulty wrote:
The Holy Spirit did not become Christ’s God at the Incarnation. Rather, it is the Father alone who became and continues to be the God of Christ
Yes, it does not make sense at all. Welcome to the world of the Trinity and Incarnation.
After a fair amount of illogical scribbling our Christian friend concludes:
In light of this, the Son does not submit to the Holy Spirit as his God despite the fact that he was dependent upon God’s Spirit to guide and empower him during his earthly ministry, since it was the Father who had decreed that such would be the case. Rather, it is the Father alone that the Son submits to and honors as his God since it was the Father who sent him and it was his will which Christ came into the world to accomplish. The Holy Spirit was sent to assist Christ to perfectly carry out the mission which the Father sent him to do.
Talk about illogical to the extent of absurd.
The Holy Spirit is sent by the Father too! Surely, by the way of extended logic this apologist should ONLY believe the Father (abba) to be God as He is very much in charge by sending both Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
The Truth is right underneath this apologist’s nose – that BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit have a God – hence are not God
Here is their belief in the Holy Spirit tying them in further knots
An appeal to Abrahamic monotheism
God has given you reasoning. You must put this in use rather than blindly following the argumentations of apologists who agree with your worldview.
Do you believe in the incarnation?
Become a Muslim today
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Right, we know Christians believe Jesus had a human nature as well as a divine nature (“the god-man”). You’d think Christians would believe the Holy Spirit, the Son and the Father were ALL the God of the human nature of Jesus as Christians believe all three to be “persons” of God. However, Christian beliefs to do with the Holy Spirit and the Trinity in general never cease to baffle.
One Christian apologist, in response to this difficulty wrote:
The Holy Spirit did not become Christ’s God at the Incarnation. Rather, it is the Father alone who became and continues to be the God of Christ
Yes, it does not make sense at all. Welcome to the world of the Trinity and Incarnation.
After a fair amount of illogical scribbling our Christian friend concludes:
In light of this, the Son does not submit to the Holy Spirit as his God despite the fact that he was dependent upon God’s Spirit to guide and empower him during his earthly ministry, since it was the Father who had decreed that such would be the case. Rather, it is the Father alone that the Son submits to and honors as his God since it was the Father who sent him and it was his will which Christ came into the world to accomplish. The Holy Spirit was sent to assist Christ to perfectly carry out the mission which the Father sent him to do.
Talk about illogical to the extent of absurd.
The Holy Spirit is sent by the Father too! Surely, by the way of extended logic this apologist should ONLY believe the Father (abba) to be God as He is very much in charge by sending both Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
The Truth is right underneath this apologist’s nose – that BOTH Jesus and the Holy Spirit have a God – hence are not God
Here is their belief in the Holy Spirit tying them in further knots
An appeal to Abrahamic monotheism
God has given you reasoning. You must put this in use rather than blindly following the argumentations of apologists who agree with your worldview.
Do you believe in the incarnation?
Become a Muslim today
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
Sunday, 27 February 2011
ABNSAT Challenged: The Jesus and Muhammad Show (IslamDunkTV)
The misinformation on ABNSat's "Jesus or Muhammad" show is outrageous. Their staple diet is one of demonising Muslims, the Prophet (p) and Islam.
ABNSat? Enough already..
This Spring sees the propaganda of David Wood and Sam Shamoun (yes, they are the sex hoax purveyors) challenged - inshaallah.
Jibreelk and Sheikh Essam Tawfik will present clarity and genuine insight by the Will of Allah.
The Jesus and Muhammad Show Teaser Trailer
I will be frank, I have grown weary of tackling the distortions, fabrications and spin of Dave and Sam. What the folk at ABN do with these "Jesus or Muhammad marathons" is not evangelism - it's mud slinging.
Debates and Sam Shamoun tapping out
No doubt Sam Shamoun will see this as an opportunity to issue a few debate challenges to the Sheikh/Jibreelk in an attempt at obfuscation and ego-massaging.
Debates are not the best medium to convey your points - especially points of refutation. It is best to humbly and sincerely present your information so there is a bank of knowledge for the truth-seeker to browse through. I'm pretty sure IslamDunkTV will opt for the more beneficial mode of disseminating the Truth.
In any case, I can't imagine Jibreelk will bother with such misdirections as he has already debated Sam Shamoun - Sam Shamoun tapped out (yes good 'ol WWE style). I'm not kidding, Sam really did throw in the towel (as well as a few insults)!!!
A quick word on Sam and David
Firstly, let me illustrate how fragile and defensive Wood is. Recently, he had the audacity to link to one of my blog pages - he soon removed the link as I jazzed the page up with a link to one of his outlandish lies (the video in which he was claiming the Quran instructs the torture/killing/amputating of cross-wearing Christians!). He soon removed the link - I guess he's semsitive when it comes to his fans realising he purveys scandalous lies.
As for Sam Shamoun, last I checked on that fella, he was STILL calling people "dogs".
Bassim Gorial must be wondering as to the feeble calibre of his employees; no backbone, no scholarship, no integrity and no class.
A word on Jibreelk and IslamDunkTV
You know, making videos and writing articles takes time - specifically his time. Even this short promo video must have taken a siginificant chunk of time. The least we can do is pray for him.
Get involved
You know, getting involved is easy. If you are a Muslim, reupload videos onto YT, blog about the exchanges (like we are doing here), be proactive and generally do whatever you can (no matter how little it is) to promote the Truth.
Personally, I look forward to blogging about the shows - inshaAllah - I will do my bit.
Invite people to Islam - even if they do not accept initially, you have planted a seed in the back of their mind which will remain with them.
A thought for the sincere Christians...
I interact with a ton of Christians on the net. Sadly, the insincere and disingenuous types get more attention but there are a ton of friendly and genuine Christians on the net who do not follow the modus operandi of folk such as Sam and Dave (or other fundamentalists at ABN - yes, I'm taking about you Pastor "I don't want Muslim bus drivers" Joseph amongst others).
Sadly, Muslim critique and rebukes of the disingenuous Christian "missionaries" gains the headlines whilst fine Christian-Muslim dialogue goes relatively unnoticed. Google "Shabir Ally" and you will be subjected to a shed-load of positive Muslim-Christian interaction.
Invitation to Islam
If you are a Christian, please go to your local mosque and ask the Muslim leaders questions - learn from them - you have nothing to lose. I assure you, they will not harm you. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised - perhaps you will even make new friends.
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
ABNSat? Enough already..
This Spring sees the propaganda of David Wood and Sam Shamoun (yes, they are the sex hoax purveyors) challenged - inshaallah.
Jibreelk and Sheikh Essam Tawfik will present clarity and genuine insight by the Will of Allah.
The Jesus and Muhammad Show Teaser Trailer
I will be frank, I have grown weary of tackling the distortions, fabrications and spin of Dave and Sam. What the folk at ABN do with these "Jesus or Muhammad marathons" is not evangelism - it's mud slinging.
Debates and Sam Shamoun tapping out
No doubt Sam Shamoun will see this as an opportunity to issue a few debate challenges to the Sheikh/Jibreelk in an attempt at obfuscation and ego-massaging.
Debates are not the best medium to convey your points - especially points of refutation. It is best to humbly and sincerely present your information so there is a bank of knowledge for the truth-seeker to browse through. I'm pretty sure IslamDunkTV will opt for the more beneficial mode of disseminating the Truth.
In any case, I can't imagine Jibreelk will bother with such misdirections as he has already debated Sam Shamoun - Sam Shamoun tapped out (yes good 'ol WWE style). I'm not kidding, Sam really did throw in the towel (as well as a few insults)!!!
A quick word on Sam and David
Firstly, let me illustrate how fragile and defensive Wood is. Recently, he had the audacity to link to one of my blog pages - he soon removed the link as I jazzed the page up with a link to one of his outlandish lies (the video in which he was claiming the Quran instructs the torture/killing/amputating of cross-wearing Christians!). He soon removed the link - I guess he's semsitive when it comes to his fans realising he purveys scandalous lies.
As for Sam Shamoun, last I checked on that fella, he was STILL calling people "dogs".
Bassim Gorial must be wondering as to the feeble calibre of his employees; no backbone, no scholarship, no integrity and no class.
A word on Jibreelk and IslamDunkTV
You know, making videos and writing articles takes time - specifically his time. Even this short promo video must have taken a siginificant chunk of time. The least we can do is pray for him.
Get involved
You know, getting involved is easy. If you are a Muslim, reupload videos onto YT, blog about the exchanges (like we are doing here), be proactive and generally do whatever you can (no matter how little it is) to promote the Truth.
Personally, I look forward to blogging about the shows - inshaAllah - I will do my bit.
Invite people to Islam - even if they do not accept initially, you have planted a seed in the back of their mind which will remain with them.
A thought for the sincere Christians...
I interact with a ton of Christians on the net. Sadly, the insincere and disingenuous types get more attention but there are a ton of friendly and genuine Christians on the net who do not follow the modus operandi of folk such as Sam and Dave (or other fundamentalists at ABN - yes, I'm taking about you Pastor "I don't want Muslim bus drivers" Joseph amongst others).
Sadly, Muslim critique and rebukes of the disingenuous Christian "missionaries" gains the headlines whilst fine Christian-Muslim dialogue goes relatively unnoticed. Google "Shabir Ally" and you will be subjected to a shed-load of positive Muslim-Christian interaction.
Invitation to Islam
If you are a Christian, please go to your local mosque and ask the Muslim leaders questions - learn from them - you have nothing to lose. I assure you, they will not harm you. I hope you will be pleasantly surprised - perhaps you will even make new friends.
Muhammad and Jesus (p)
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Bible: Muslims are blessed
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
Saturday, 26 February 2011
Sexism Led Scribes to Change the Bible!
Junia/s (the female “apostle”) + Bible alterations?
We all know there were some dishonest scribes entrusted with the Bible but this bout of sexism-fuelled dishonesty is quite astonishing and embarrassing to the Church.
Junia/s is mentioned in Romans 16:7 by Paul and described as an apostle [1]. Many of us in 2011 would not bat an eye lid at this verse BUT it appears some of the scribes of the Bible considered it an appalling anomaly and even (dishonestly) changed it to a male name whilst others simply regarded it as a male name without reason:
Most strikingly, there is Junia, a female ‘apostle’, so described alongside another ‘apostle’ with a male name – this was considered such an appalling anomaly by many later readers of Romans that Junia’s name was frequently changed to a male form in the recopying of manuscripts, or simply regarded without any justification as a man’s name [2]
Patriarchal societies, I understand, but dishonesty…
Yes, I understand, these copyists/scribes were indeed from male dominated societies so I can contextualise their concern BUT to dishonestly change the Bible to suit your world view is quite staggering – even more staggering with a touch of embarrassment when it’s sexism which leads you to the tampering of “scripture”.
Von Tischendorf’s discovery of Codex Sinaiticus highlighted an unauthorised addition (forgery) to the Bible (12 verses added to Mark!) so we know scribes were willing to add hefty chunks (also refer to John 7:53-8:11) in order to suit their agendas – be they sexism, story telling, theological point making, or other agendas.
Muslims to help Christians find the forgeries?
I suspect there are still a number of unrecognised forgeries/alterations lingering in the Gospel manuscript tradition - a tradition from which scholars are compelled to reconstruct the New Testament as there is no Urtext.
To the Arabs and Jews in the Middle East, please check your attics, basements, valleys, caves, etc for manuscripts. Christian scholars would be appreciative – you could sell fragments off at $2.80 per square centimetre as Mohammed Edh-Dhib was doing for the Dead Sea Scrolls (OT specific) [3]
A light hearted post with a deadly serious subtext!
Bible: Muslims are Blessed
Learn about Islam
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
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[1] Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. [ Romans 16:7, NIV]. The Bible commentaries (Smith’s, Easton’s, Nave’s) seem to have very little information on Junia.
[2] A History of Christianity, Diarmaid MacCulloch, Penguin Group, 2009, p 117
[3] In 1947, Muhammed Edh-Dhib (a Bedouin) discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. This is a revolutionary discovery with regards to the study of OT textual criticism.
“The going rate for fragments was apparently $2.80 per square centimetre” - The Story of the Scrolls, Geza Vermes, Penguin Books, 2010, p47
We all know there were some dishonest scribes entrusted with the Bible but this bout of sexism-fuelled dishonesty is quite astonishing and embarrassing to the Church.
Junia/s is mentioned in Romans 16:7 by Paul and described as an apostle [1]. Many of us in 2011 would not bat an eye lid at this verse BUT it appears some of the scribes of the Bible considered it an appalling anomaly and even (dishonestly) changed it to a male name whilst others simply regarded it as a male name without reason:
Most strikingly, there is Junia, a female ‘apostle’, so described alongside another ‘apostle’ with a male name – this was considered such an appalling anomaly by many later readers of Romans that Junia’s name was frequently changed to a male form in the recopying of manuscripts, or simply regarded without any justification as a man’s name [2]
Patriarchal societies, I understand, but dishonesty…
Yes, I understand, these copyists/scribes were indeed from male dominated societies so I can contextualise their concern BUT to dishonestly change the Bible to suit your world view is quite staggering – even more staggering with a touch of embarrassment when it’s sexism which leads you to the tampering of “scripture”.
Von Tischendorf’s discovery of Codex Sinaiticus highlighted an unauthorised addition (forgery) to the Bible (12 verses added to Mark!) so we know scribes were willing to add hefty chunks (also refer to John 7:53-8:11) in order to suit their agendas – be they sexism, story telling, theological point making, or other agendas.
Muslims to help Christians find the forgeries?
I suspect there are still a number of unrecognised forgeries/alterations lingering in the Gospel manuscript tradition - a tradition from which scholars are compelled to reconstruct the New Testament as there is no Urtext.
To the Arabs and Jews in the Middle East, please check your attics, basements, valleys, caves, etc for manuscripts. Christian scholars would be appreciative – you could sell fragments off at $2.80 per square centimetre as Mohammed Edh-Dhib was doing for the Dead Sea Scrolls (OT specific) [3]
A light hearted post with a deadly serious subtext!
Bible: Muslims are Blessed
Learn about Islam
Christian Missionary Pastor converts to Islam
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
[1] Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. [ Romans 16:7, NIV]. The Bible commentaries (Smith’s, Easton’s, Nave’s) seem to have very little information on Junia.
[2] A History of Christianity, Diarmaid MacCulloch, Penguin Group, 2009, p 117
[3] In 1947, Muhammed Edh-Dhib (a Bedouin) discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran. This is a revolutionary discovery with regards to the study of OT textual criticism.
“The going rate for fragments was apparently $2.80 per square centimetre” - The Story of the Scrolls, Geza Vermes, Penguin Books, 2010, p47
How Daphne Iking Converted to Islam?
Another celebrity has embraced Islam. Malaysian TV host, Daphne Iking, was introduced to Islam by the Malay businessman, Azmi Abdul Rahman (Joe) – now her husband.
Daphne Iking converted to Islam after study and spiritual enlightenment:
Daphne insists she would only have converted out of her free will.
"Islam is a beautiful religion. I've been studying it, especially after all the trials and turbulence in my life."
Her decision to embrace Islam and subsequently, marry Joe came in December last year, as she visited the Taj Mahal in India.
Its sorrowful sight, alongside passages of the Al-Quran, which decorated the majestic Islamic architecture, really moved her. The calligraphy on the Great Gate read: "O Soul, thou art at rest. Return to the Lord at peace with Him, and He at peace with you."
"I was spiritually enlightened. I told Joe I wanted to become a Muslim and be his wife. He was shocked," Daphne recollected.
Source: http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/Showbiz/Story/A1Story20110226-265401.html
Daphne's New Muslim name?
Ms Daphne, 31, who adopted the Muslim name of Dahlia when she converted in January [http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/SEAsia/Story/STIStory_639197.html]
We hope this will encourage others to study Islam and ultimately convert - God willing.
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Thursday, 24 February 2011
Dr James White: Shocking Blunder of Inconsistency!!! (by 1MoreMuslim)
Recently, somebody was using James White’s controlled/uncontrolled argument in favour of the New Testament (uncontrolled preservation) and arguing against Quranic preservation (controlled preservation).
This argument is flawed as it misrepresents/misunderstands Quranic preservation BUT is also inconsistent as it argues AGAINST the Old Testament as the OT was preserved in a controlled environment!!! [I hope those whom I was interacting with recently are taking note of the video]
So James White’s argument is inconsistent and unchristian as it throws mud at the Old Testament – what a blunder! It seems James White’s desperation to project an argument for the preservation of the NT leads him to the blunder of inconsistency – roll on the video!
James White kills his own argument, VS Bart Ehrman
Video description: James White shoots himself in the foot. He spent a few minutes trying to build an argument for the preservation of the NT, but during the Q&A period, he destroys his own argument in few seconds. (Video is by 1MoreMuslim)
Why is James White looking silly in 1MoreMuslim’s video?
Firstly, kudos to 1moreMuslim for the amazing video!
I advance the idea James White is looking ludicrously inconsistent, to the extent of “silly”, due to what he is working with. He is desperate to make a case for the New Testament, thus all levels of reasonable consistency and scholarship go out of the window.
Now, if James White is shown to be so whimsical in making argumentations for the preservation of the NT you must start asking yourself with regards to the reliability of the NT. Why is it this man is incapable of presenting a reasonable and consistent argument for the NT?
We have already seen, in the debate with Dr Bart Ehrman, Christians do struggle to present the NT as a reliable document. See footnote two for the link to the review.
A few further points
Preservation of the Quran
Sadly, James White has misunderstood Quranic preservation or communicated unclearly – or was simply being disingenuous. Uthman’s (ra) controlling of the text was carried out in agreement with (and alongside) the community (a community consisting of Prophetic companions). Sadly, White represents it as an “Uthmanic” act – if he looked into it further he would have realised, through Ali’s (ra) statement, that the actions of Uthman were indeed agreed upon by everyone [1]
In fariness, perhaps White is simply being unclear due to time constraints. However, there is no excuse for the illogical supporters of White who are influenced to present an illogical line of reasoning.
Facts for the logical, not for the illogical
Does the New Testament have those who sat down with Jesus (p) controlling the text? No - the text, which Jesus never saw nor sanctioned, was controlled by scribes (many of whom were poorly skilled and we KNOW some were dishonest to the extent of DELIBERATELY CHANGING the text!
Does the Quran have those who sat down with Muhammad (p) controlling the text? Yes - this was within a community of Muslim saints who had amonsgt them huffaz (people who had memorized the whole Quran). Oral transmission as well as written preservation of the Quran amongst the most trustworthy Muslims is obviously a better mode of preservation than leaving it in the hands of unknown "scribes" who we KNOW were unskilled and/or dishonest.
Only the most desperate (or illogical) would try to present the NT preservation as superior to the Quranic preservation. Sadly, I have encountered at least one commentator who was influenced by White's irrational thoughts - he was soon corrected!
Are they serious?
In addition, Muslims KNOW the contents of the Quran, whilst our Christian friends admitted they do not know the content of the NT for certain – they believe (faith conviction) they have the NT preserved in the manuscript tradition BUT when it comes to the variants the Christians are NOT certain as to which variant is from the original NT. [2]
Now, are Christians really serious in telling us their method of preservation is better because they have more “manuscripts” in an “uncontrolled” environment? Erm, the forgeries which were plucked out from the NT due to Von Tischendorf’s find in the 1800’s tell us James White and those Christians who espouse such “hopeful” argumentation are indeed on to a loser! [3]
The Holy spirit and the Bible?
James White says he knows Arabic, but does not...
Invitation to Islam
Would you like a relationship with your Creator? Would you like to worship the God of Jesus – the same God Jesus worshipped? Would you like to become a brother/sister of Jesus? If yes, come to Islam.
Bible: Muslims are blessed
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[1] Ibn Abi Dawud, al Masahif, p22; see also pp 12, 23 (sourced from Sheikh Al Azami, The History of the Quranic Text, UK Islamic Academy, 2003, p94
[2] See the debate review: Does the Bible misquote Jesus
[3] Dr Von Tischendorf discovered the Codex Sinaiticus (from Saint Catherine’s monsatery), this codex does NOT contain the last 12 verses in the gospel of Mark. These are believed to be forgeries. Sadder still, Christians, prior to this find believed those words to be faithful to the New Testament.
This argument is flawed as it misrepresents/misunderstands Quranic preservation BUT is also inconsistent as it argues AGAINST the Old Testament as the OT was preserved in a controlled environment!!! [I hope those whom I was interacting with recently are taking note of the video]
So James White’s argument is inconsistent and unchristian as it throws mud at the Old Testament – what a blunder! It seems James White’s desperation to project an argument for the preservation of the NT leads him to the blunder of inconsistency – roll on the video!
James White kills his own argument, VS Bart Ehrman
Video description: James White shoots himself in the foot. He spent a few minutes trying to build an argument for the preservation of the NT, but during the Q&A period, he destroys his own argument in few seconds. (Video is by 1MoreMuslim)
Why is James White looking silly in 1MoreMuslim’s video?
Firstly, kudos to 1moreMuslim for the amazing video!
I advance the idea James White is looking ludicrously inconsistent, to the extent of “silly”, due to what he is working with. He is desperate to make a case for the New Testament, thus all levels of reasonable consistency and scholarship go out of the window.
Now, if James White is shown to be so whimsical in making argumentations for the preservation of the NT you must start asking yourself with regards to the reliability of the NT. Why is it this man is incapable of presenting a reasonable and consistent argument for the NT?
We have already seen, in the debate with Dr Bart Ehrman, Christians do struggle to present the NT as a reliable document. See footnote two for the link to the review.
A few further points
Preservation of the Quran
Sadly, James White has misunderstood Quranic preservation or communicated unclearly – or was simply being disingenuous. Uthman’s (ra) controlling of the text was carried out in agreement with (and alongside) the community (a community consisting of Prophetic companions). Sadly, White represents it as an “Uthmanic” act – if he looked into it further he would have realised, through Ali’s (ra) statement, that the actions of Uthman were indeed agreed upon by everyone [1]
In fariness, perhaps White is simply being unclear due to time constraints. However, there is no excuse for the illogical supporters of White who are influenced to present an illogical line of reasoning.
Facts for the logical, not for the illogical
Does the New Testament have those who sat down with Jesus (p) controlling the text? No - the text, which Jesus never saw nor sanctioned, was controlled by scribes (many of whom were poorly skilled and we KNOW some were dishonest to the extent of DELIBERATELY CHANGING the text!
Does the Quran have those who sat down with Muhammad (p) controlling the text? Yes - this was within a community of Muslim saints who had amonsgt them huffaz (people who had memorized the whole Quran). Oral transmission as well as written preservation of the Quran amongst the most trustworthy Muslims is obviously a better mode of preservation than leaving it in the hands of unknown "scribes" who we KNOW were unskilled and/or dishonest.
Only the most desperate (or illogical) would try to present the NT preservation as superior to the Quranic preservation. Sadly, I have encountered at least one commentator who was influenced by White's irrational thoughts - he was soon corrected!
Are they serious?
In addition, Muslims KNOW the contents of the Quran, whilst our Christian friends admitted they do not know the content of the NT for certain – they believe (faith conviction) they have the NT preserved in the manuscript tradition BUT when it comes to the variants the Christians are NOT certain as to which variant is from the original NT. [2]
Now, are Christians really serious in telling us their method of preservation is better because they have more “manuscripts” in an “uncontrolled” environment? Erm, the forgeries which were plucked out from the NT due to Von Tischendorf’s find in the 1800’s tell us James White and those Christians who espouse such “hopeful” argumentation are indeed on to a loser! [3]
The Holy spirit and the Bible?
James White says he knows Arabic, but does not...
Invitation to Islam
Would you like a relationship with your Creator? Would you like to worship the God of Jesus – the same God Jesus worshipped? Would you like to become a brother/sister of Jesus? If yes, come to Islam.
Bible: Muslims are blessed
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com (If you want to conatact the video maker please see here)
[1] Ibn Abi Dawud, al Masahif, p22; see also pp 12, 23 (sourced from Sheikh Al Azami, The History of the Quranic Text, UK Islamic Academy, 2003, p94
[2] See the debate review: Does the Bible misquote Jesus
[3] Dr Von Tischendorf discovered the Codex Sinaiticus (from Saint Catherine’s monsatery), this codex does NOT contain the last 12 verses in the gospel of Mark. These are believed to be forgeries. Sadder still, Christians, prior to this find believed those words to be faithful to the New Testament.
Wednesday, 23 February 2011
Why Did James White Claim to "Know Arabic"? He Does NOT!
This blog recently done away with misinformation concerning Dr James White’s doctorate - we confirmed James DOES have a doctorate BUT James does himself no favours by claiming he “knows Arabic” – he does not know Arabic!
A MUSLIM has to nudge Christians to accuracy yet again. Perhaps brother James made a mistake whilst filling out his Face Book profile or perhaps he was over-selling himself - I don't know as to the reason behind such an inaccurate statement BUT it needs to be corrected as it is misleading.
Anyway, the simple fact is, he does not know Arabic!
As you know, I’m not Dave Wood so I don’t make stuff up and here is the screen shot to reinforce my investigations; click, then click again with the magnifier for a better gander (nice English word!)
Oh yeah, I was forced to set up a Face Book account. I’m not a fan of FB though. If you require any other Christian outreach to be investigated please do not hesitate to email me - however, I do have a backlog of issues to bring to the public (cyber) realm.
Muslims Abjure Christians
I'm glad MUSLIMS are at the forefront of calling Christian apologists to accuracy. At this minsitry we do investigate Christian outreaches to Muslims and we are yet to see one pass our criteria of investigation - fine decorum, accuracy of information, honesty and consistency.
In fairness to brother James, he could have made the claim in haste (or as the commenter pointed out - simply imitated others who use lax criteria on FB). I do, also, ask him to double check the claim of knowing Latin whilst making the required corrections to the "knowing Arabic" claim. Kudos to the CHRISTIANS (see Peter Lumpkins' comment boards) who brought this issue to the fore. However, we should be slow to denounce the chap harshly as the design behind the comment is not known.
Are you really guided by the Holy Spirit?
New book on Islam by Dr James White?
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A MUSLIM has to nudge Christians to accuracy yet again. Perhaps brother James made a mistake whilst filling out his Face Book profile or perhaps he was over-selling himself - I don't know as to the reason behind such an inaccurate statement BUT it needs to be corrected as it is misleading.
Anyway, the simple fact is, he does not know Arabic!
As you know, I’m not Dave Wood so I don’t make stuff up and here is the screen shot to reinforce my investigations; click, then click again with the magnifier for a better gander (nice English word!)
Oh yeah, I was forced to set up a Face Book account. I’m not a fan of FB though. If you require any other Christian outreach to be investigated please do not hesitate to email me - however, I do have a backlog of issues to bring to the public (cyber) realm.
Muslims Abjure Christians
I'm glad MUSLIMS are at the forefront of calling Christian apologists to accuracy. At this minsitry we do investigate Christian outreaches to Muslims and we are yet to see one pass our criteria of investigation - fine decorum, accuracy of information, honesty and consistency.
In fairness to brother James, he could have made the claim in haste (or as the commenter pointed out - simply imitated others who use lax criteria on FB). I do, also, ask him to double check the claim of knowing Latin whilst making the required corrections to the "knowing Arabic" claim. Kudos to the CHRISTIANS (see Peter Lumpkins' comment boards) who brought this issue to the fore. However, we should be slow to denounce the chap harshly as the design behind the comment is not known.
Are you really guided by the Holy Spirit?
New book on Islam by Dr James White?
Feedback: yahyasnow@hotmail.com
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