Friday, 6 August 2010

Dearborn Police Report Proves Acts 17 Apologetics have Deceived us

The Police Report Proves Acts17Apologetics are Deceptive
Here is the audio/video explaining Acts17's deception




Acts17apologetics had fooled us all into thinking the video footage they presented was evidence of their innocence.
Who would not be fooled? After all the video footage showed David Wood and his merry gang behaving impeccably well; they never breached the peace in the video footage. The video footage showed no breach of peace whatsoever but the police still came across and arrested them

Having just read the police report I can confidently declare Acts17Apologetics have been deceiving us, big time!

Before I disclose the details of the police report please consider the video footage Acts17Apologetics have presented. They presented footage of the team entering the festival and Nabeel Qureshi preaching within the confines of the Arab festival whilst the other members of Acts17 recorded the footage.

ALL the video footage Acts17Apologetics have presented is immaterial and was simply presented to misdirect the audience (deception). Acts17Apologetics have NEVER addressed the reason for their arrest and nor have they disclosed the FULL and TRUE reason being their arrest.

Yes, the reason behind their arrest was “breach of peace” BUT cleverly (and deceptively) Acts17Apologetics led us to believe the breach of peace arrest was related to Acts17Apologetics and festival goers.

This is not the case. The breach of the peace complaint is related to ONE volunteer named Roger Williams.(judging by his name I'd assume him to be a non-Muslim)

Officer Kapanowski writes (in the police report):

While inside the command trailer during Arabfest, Sgt Mrowka, Ofc Smith and I were notified by Roger Williams (festival volunteer) that he had just been harassed by a film crew and Amal Alslami had witnessed the incident.

Roger Williams decides to make a formal criminal complaint against Acts17Apologetics

Ofc Kapanowski elucidates further:

Williams stated a film crew began recording him doing his festival duties. He advised the subjects (later identified as Negeen Mayel, Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, and Paul Rezkalla) that he did not want to be filmed and told them to stop. Williams stated that they did not stop and instead, began to surround him. He added that he felt extremely uncomfortable and thought he could not leave although he attempted to several times. They continued to pester him and badger him with questions and continued filming. Williams again told them to stop filming. Qureshi and Wood, as well as Rezkalla, finally put down the microphone and camcorder to speak with him, but he noticed Mayel still filming within hearing distance. He radioed to security for assistance and the parties soon left. He advised Alslami that he wished to make a formal complaint with the police.

The police at the behest of Sgt Mrowka (due to Roger William’s formal complaint) move in to conduct a criminal investigation and apprehend Rezkalla, Wood and Qureshi (members of Acts17Apologetics) after apprehending Mayel (Negeen):


I relayed the information to Sgt Mrowka and he advised us to arrest all parties involved for Breach of Peace. Ofc Micallef, Ofc Ballard, Ofc Smith, and I located Qureshi, Wood, and Rezkalla in the center of another large crowd in the middle of the two tents. When we advised them to turn their camcorders off and they were under arrest for Breach of Peace, they were hesitant but eventually complied.

Cannot Plead Ignorance

Rezkalla, Wood and Qureshi were told of the allegation by Ofc Kapanowski:

En route to the station, Qureshi, Wood and Rezkalla asked me about the allegations. I explained they were under arrest for breach of peace and explained the allegation against them. Without questioning, they stated that they never “surrounded” Williams.


So, there you have it. Acts17Apologetics misdirected us into thinking the police came across and arrested them for no reason whilst they (Acts17) were behaving in a law-abiding manner. The individual who is not privy to ALL the information (i.e. the police report) will fall for David Wood’s deception and go away thinking the (irrelevant) video footage presented by Acts17Apologetics exonerates them and proves the guilt of the Dearborn police officers.

Well, we ALL know (thanks to the police report and no thanks to David Wood and co) the police simply acted in order to conduct a criminal investigation initiated by the official criminal complaint lodged by Roger Williams.

Deception

*Why have Acts17Apologetics led us (and their fanatical right wing supporters) to believe the police wrongly arrested them? (Deception?)

*Why have Acts17Apologetics wrongly besmirched the reputation of the Dearborn police force? (Deception?)

*Why have Acts17Apologetics deceived everybody by presenting their irrelevant footage and misconstruing it (deliberately) in order to appear innocent and portray the officers as the guilty party? (Deception?)

*Why did Acts17Apologetics never show the footage of their encounter with Roger Williams? (They DO have this footage) (Deception?)

*Why did Acts17Apologetics and their supporters try to demonise Muslims by linking the event to Sharia when no Muslim was involved in the breach of peace incident? (It is a battle between Roger Williams and Acts17apologetics, NOBODY ELSE) (Deception?)

*Why have Acts17apologetics not told us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? (Deception?)


yahyasnow@hotmail.com


Appendix 1

PDF of the Dearborn Arab Fest police report:

http://www.witnessesuntome.com/documents/acts17.pdf

Another excerpt from the police report on the arrest of the acts17 group:

Wood even went as far as lifting the camcorder into the air in order to continue filming. Qureshi began screaming "See, I told you...I told you this stuff happens" to the large crowd who began taking pictures of us and surrounding us further. Fearing again that a riot would ensue, I requested Qureshi to remain quiet and ordered the crowd to vacate the area or they would be arrested. The large crowd complied and Qureshi, Wood, and Rezkalla were placed under arrest (Handcuffed & Double-Locked) for Breach of Peace without further incident.

NOTE: Somebody emailed related to Roger Williams being a Muslim/non-muslim. Initially I stated he was a non-Muslim (based on his name). I have clarified it is an assumption based on his name...thus we cannot know for certain. Thanks to the gentleman who contacted me.

***UPDATE***

Others have now cottoned onto the fact Acts17Apologetics have deceived us! Here is a YouTube video highlighting the police report.
This is a relevant bit of the video description:

Nabeel Qureshi, David Wood, Paul Rezkalla, and Negeen Mayel - the four foolish musketeers have been found to be deceiving us, and yes, that means you too our fellow Christian bretheren. Whether you like it or not Acts 17 Team's arrest was not because they were Christian nor was it because people just liked accusing the group of being a complete annoyance. Acts 17 Apologetics was charged with harassing a a volunteer worker known as 'Roger Williams'.




It appears people are now asking to see the footage of the exchange between Roger Williams and the controversial Christian group. Why have they NEVER shown it?
They have had the footage for long enough and furthermore have posted irreleavnt footage whilst deceiving us into thinking the police were involved in malpractice. I hope the clamour to see the footage involving Roger Williams and Qureshi/Wood etc does NOT detract from the FACT Acts17apologetics (Wood, Qureshi and co) have deceived us ALL into thinking the police arrested them wrongly. Video from a YouTube user (not Yahya Snow):



Here is a snippet from an email I received from an individual who has recognised David Wood's (and Nabeel Qureshi's) dishonesty. They are outraging honest people and getting emotions to run high:

Arrested for Being Christian Preachers in Dearborn - ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXDAaiT6os&feature=related

Shouldn't that be:

Arrested after having an official complaint of harrassment lodged against us by Roger Williams

I know you must have seen this video loads now but I just watched it again and the misdirection is incredible. They have all made it look, in this video, as though they were arrested for the conversation with the Muslim youth!!! And they have the utter audacity to call other people deceptive!!! How dare they turn this around on innocent Muslims with all this Sharia in Dearborn crap - demonizing Muslims in the process. How dishonest. What utter cretins
!


Here is a piercing YouTube comment directed at myself denouncing the deceptive acts17apologetics:

It's becoming more and more obvious to me that Nabeel and David don't actually believe in the Gospel....if they can so blatantly lie about Islam and its teachings and deceive their whole audience - this isn't about the Gospel then, it's about something else; fortune and fame, and vice. Who really knows? I just can't believe it. How evil can one be?

51 comments:

Besmikov Lenko said...

Oh Anthony Rogers...where are you? ;) It's TAQQIYAH TIME!!!

Anonymousing said...

Yahya have you completly lost your mind?

Acts 17 have been saying all along that the criminal complaint came from this Roger Williams character. And they have been saying all along that the complaint came previous to their arrest! Do you just not read their blog and still talk crap? Hypocricy!

Of course none of this matters one bit, since AFTER the complaint was filed A LAW ENFORCMENT OFFICIAL TOLD ACTS 17 "NAW YOUR FINE"! - so how do you get around that one Yahya?

And what was Rogers complaint anyway...oh ya let me gues...A FALSE CHARGE!

What you are saying is immaterial.

You are completly deceptive.

Anonymousing said...

For any honest seeker of AL HAQQ

Please check out this article:

http://blog.witnessesuntome.com/2010/08/city-of-dearborn-records-vs-acts-17.html

Cheers :)

Yahya Snow said...

@anonymousing

show me where in their Youtube vids they mention this?

In their vids they give the impression they were arrested wrongly...when in fact the police report calls them out on their deception.

don't forget, initially, this controversial group claimed to have been arrested for being christian preachers...thaey soon stopped making that claim.

anonymousing...please digest my words in the blog post and the audio....I feel you have not comprehended my points

Perhaps this is due to your bias...you really care about your pals.

remember the shamed christian ergun caner had the support of his pals...but he was still huilty of deception

Think about


PS...please stop dropping links without any explanation...it looks like spam if you don't qualify it

Besmikov Lenko said...

Anonymousing, you're hurt aren't you? :(

Anonymousing said...

I feel you have not comprehended my points

I feel you have not comprehended what David and Crew have been saying all along:

ROGER WILLIAMS MADE THE COMPLAINT

Why dont you be my dhimmi and go on their blog, look for it, and then post it for me. Cool?

Just because you didint look for it, doesnt mean its not there, and it doesnt give you the right to make unsubstantiated allegations like you do in this video.

Anonymousing said...

OHHHH Lenko,

I am TORN UP! I dont know how i will EVER recover from this!

Everysingle one of those explosions in Yahyas vidoe tore straight through my heart!

Anonymousing said...

(ps. I dont think any other Christians will post on this thread...because what yahya says is just so insignificant! and downright propaganda - u know about that dont u lenko? :)

Besmikov Lenko said...

Anonymousing,

I just ran a google scan on AM.com. If you wont you can try this for yourself:

"Roger Williams: answeringmuslims.com"

It'll do a search within the website for that key phrase. Copy and paste into Google exactly. Good luck ;)The only time 'Williams' turns up within context of 'Roger Williams', is this post: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.answeringmuslims.com%2F&ei=ThpdTNXyCKG80gSI2JjHBw&usg=AFQjCNFu1t1f95f8SQqwx4GegWwyH8sp5Q&sig2=5kHwZ56i3lijPglpBsUQbQ

ROFL.

Btw, can you get Anthony Rogers on the phone? =D

家唐銘 said...
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1moremuslim said...

To Anonymousing:
Why Acts17 team didn't publish their footage of their interaction with Roger Williams? Why do they pick and chose what to publish in their blog?

This is the challenge: Tell the acts17 team to share that footage.

WomanForTruth101 said...

I suspect Anonymousing will be representing David, Nabeel and other Philippians 1:18 lovers in the court? I hope they all go to Judge Judy. She hates liars.

refuting.acts17 said...

Three new videos uploaded by RefutingActs17:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6Ww9KLk1FT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YwP1eAZrJcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =DBLoX41Oakg

Lupus el Lobo said...

Dear Yahya

This is what professor Ron Messier has to say about Dearborn Michigan:

"It's been a long time since I've lived in Michigan. I am aware of the size of the Muslim community. I would find it hard to believe they've succeeded in supplanting the legal system of Dearborn, Mich., with Sharia law. I can't imagine the state Constitution of Michigan or the United States allowing them to do that. Nor could I imagine the bulk of the population of Dearborn, Mich., wanting to do that. Because the bulk of the Muslims I've encountered, and there are many. I've only been doing this for 40 years. American Muslims, the reason Muslims come to the United States is because they seek the same freedoms that attract any immigrants or the same freedoms that we as Americans say we enjoy and want to protect. That's why they're here, and they feel freer here than any other country they've lived in."

Who would you believe an American Christian professor of Islam or the bible-thumping deceiver Wood?

You'll find the whole interview at:http://www.dnj.com/article/20100808/OPINION02/8080316

Besmikov Lenko said...

Looks like the Acts 17 Team is tied up - not even the great Anthony Rogers has anything to say. Boo Hoo :(

1moremuslim said...

The Police shouldn't have disclosed the personal address of David A. Wood in NY.

Yahya Snow said...

@1moremuslim

I don't believe the police did disclose his address. From what I can remember the address bit was obscured

Am I wrong?

Ali said...

i'd quickly lie to shoot down a lie. it's very common for christians to say that muslims come to the west for "freedom" that man enjoy. that's 100% false. not true at all, jus more fine christian thoughts. muslims come here for work, as refugees, NOT for "freedom". we muslims don't drink, gamble, nor sleep with random people. i hope people get this through their head.

Ali said...

*like to shoot down a lie*

Anonymousing said...

Lenko,

Firstly, i am again astonished that you are a professor of anything. From your comment telling me how to search on Google it’s evident you do not know how to enter a simple search parameter into Google. If that is how you do Google searches, with a colon (;) when you want to find articles with the words "roger williams" and "acts 17", then you need to go back to school or to your local librarian and have them teach you how to enter search parameters, pronto.

Like a good little dim-dim I put on my dhimmi hat and out of the many times Acts 17 proclaims Roger Williams responsible for the false charge, i joyfully fetched a single instance - specifically for Lenko. But you Muslims really got to start pulling your own weight around here; we Christians cant keep supporting you forever. We are not apes and pigs; we are human just like you.

Quote, from Acts 17 You Tube Video:

The volunteer (Roger Williams) later told us that we shouldn’t worry about him "messing with" Luke, but should instead worry about him "messing with” us. Shortly thereafter, Roger Williams went to police with the "criminal complaint" against Nageen and the rest of us.

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/07/double-standards-in-dearborn.html

I should also mention that David has repeatedly stated on his blog that it was Roger Williams who filed the false criminal complaint. Whole discussions were going on about this man in the comments section months back! Take note of who is being intimidating from the quote. And notice the failed methodological investigation on Yahyas part!

Once more, Yahya wasted his time and is left stuck up in the air left out to dry. Once more he presents us with irrelevant and impotent talking points.

There were no posts of substance I could reply to.

That 'proof Muhammad was not gay' article better be good! I demand 100 PERCENT proof :)

Besmikov Lenko said...

How can you so blatantly lie Anonymousing?:

http://www.google.com/support/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=136861

Are you one of the Acts 17 team members?

Anonymousing said...

Wow Lenko. Just WOW.

Have fun with your google-given "list"

Anonymousing said...

Like I said Lenko, go talk to your local librarian because you do not know how to properly searh online. Being a professor and all you should know how to do that. But you arent a proffessor now are you?

That list sucks BTW.

And if you were to take search paramaters and place them under one collective whole, your list would cover about...3 percent.

And notice, Lenko doesnt seem to understand that Roger Williams is TWO words. Same with Acts 17...poor Lenko...

Besmikov Lenko said...

Anonymousing, I <3 U.

Anthony Rogers said...

Besmikov,

I have a lot to say; I've just lost a lot of my interest in this blog. It is a dark corner of the Internet. It has gone down hill (which is not to say it ever started out at the top).

I can't get Yahya to come out of hiding to debate me, and I am not particularly interested in the gossip and slander approach that he has been given over to. Such things are a cancer to the soul.

I would rather focus on the reasons Islam is false and discuss the issues rather than the personalities involved. Muslims are guilty of enough spin when it comes to arguing against Christianity and for Islam. Why would I want to concern myself with a whole new level of spin and try to wade my way through it before I can point out that Muhammad has no clothes?

You guys have been embarassed repeatedly on the Dearborn issue and it looks like you have chosen to face future embarassment as this whole debacle continues to take its course. You guys really don't know what you are talking about, and for those of us who know there is no question in our minds. And there is little reason for me to waste my time trying to convince you to stop digging a hole for yourselves, especially when I know you won't turn from such behavior apart from coming to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

And so with that, don't expect any response from me in the future. I may or may not pop in here and there if I feel like it. If you miss me, you can always read one of my articles focusing on the issues: here.

Anthony Rogers said...
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Anthony Rogers said...

Make that here: www.answering-islam.org/authors/rogers.html

Besmikov Lenko said...

Yeah, whatever - your whole spiel is just an excuse to not post here regularly, seeing how you don't know how to reply to Acts17's blatant deception.

Hey, do you think you could give me an Al-Taqqiyah lesson? Now don't go 'Jihad on me' if you're put off by my posts - ROFL.

-Besmikov

mkvine said...

You guys should check out the update on the whole Roger Williams incident. Dr. Wood just posted up an article by "Witness Unto Me" that interviews Mr. Williams about what happened. So far the report has matched what Dr. Wood has been saying so far, and the video footage should be up today or tomorrow.

Anonymousing said...

mkvine is right, you guys should check it out! here is a preview:

Roger Williams affirmed the police report against Acts 17 to be accurate in an interview with Witnesses Unto Me and is sticking by his statements made to police. Acts 17 allowed Witnesses Unto Me access to the raw unedited video footage from three cameras to see what really took place.

The incident Williams reported to the police sounds quite long. The police recount Williams testimony "He added that he felt extremely uncomfortable and thought he could not leave although he attempted to several times." In reality, the situation captured on video matches David Wood's testimony in a previous interview with Witnesses Unto Me. In fact, Williams had radioed the police only thirty seconds after the interaction began.


It going to be up soon.

Anonymousing said...

http://blog.witnessesuntome.com/2010/08/christian-man-and-muslim-woman-lie-to.html

that is the link to the article. If some of you dont have hardened hearts, you would read it.

Anonymousing said...

Leko, I <3 U 2

But Jesus loves you more. Jesus Lives! Jesus Rose from the Death he suffered on the Cross! Jesus is Lord and Master as HE claimed, and He came just as He claimed in Zacheria!!

"Ho, Zion! Escape, you who are living with the daughter of Babylon." For thus says the LORD of hosts, "After glory He has sent Me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.(Zec 2)

Peace...

Yahya Snow said...

@anonymousing and mkvine

I've had a look. It is irrelevant to this post.

I'm not claiming Roger Williams is correct in his allegation of harassment.

My point is Acts 17 deceived us into the thinking the Dearborn police arrested them for preaching/recorded. This claim of deception still stands and will not go away.

I believe you fellas know this in your hearts. (imo)

Don't let your loyalty to Wood and Qureshi blind you from the obvious deception; they deceived us all :(

Now it seems as though you are pointing to another alleged dishonest missionary (Roger Williams). Well, if you rebuke him then you should rebuke Wood and Qureshi as their deception is clear cut.

Thanks very much gentleman.

PS Please tell Sam Shamoun to drop his pride and boasts. He is acting like a teenager, despite being in his 40s, in the comment section to the Ally debate.

Thanks again gents

Yahya Snow said...

@Anthony

Nobody is in hiding.

People do have busy schedules andqlimited time. We can't all be sitting here responding to your claims 24hrs a day.

You may be a little surprised to see some of the upcoming posts, inshaAllah.

They may actually put the cat amongst the pigeons

Anonymousing said...

My point is Acts 17 deceived us into the thinking the Dearborn police arrested them for preaching/recorded

BRO YAHYA THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THEY WERE ARRESTED!!!! THATS THE POINT!

This will only come out when all the evidence is laid out (as it has been all along), when Acts 17 wins in court, and is sitting at home over tea.

Acts 17 broke absolutely no rules, they did not harm anyone, harass anyone, disrupt anyone, etc...

The only possible reason they could have been arrested IS for preaching the Gospel and recording. That is the only possible solution after all the evidence they have presented. And this will be exposed FURTHER as time goes on, dont you worry.

Anthony Rogers said...

Yahya said: "You may be a little surprised to see some of the upcoming posts, inshaAllah.

They may actually put the cat amongst the pigeons"

Well, then, I might swoop in and have a look, kitten.

Yahya Snow said...

@anonymousing

At the risk of repeating mysself

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER WILLIAMS IS CORRECT OR NOT.

Acts 17 have deceived us in claiming the cops arrested them for preaching/recording

The cops did their job and arrested them due to an allegation by a fellow missionary

What part of the deception don't you understand?

Ali said...

anonymousing god dying makes no sense at all.

Locrian said...

*Why have Acts17Apologetics led us (and their fanatical right wing supporters) to believe the police wrongly arrested them? (Deception?)

Reply: Roger Williams and Amal Alslami lied. So they were wrongly arrested. Not sure what you don't get here. Do you have some evidence that they weren't wrongly arrested?

*Why have Acts17Apologetics wrongly besmirched the reputation of the Dearborn police force? (Deception?)

Reply: Not sure Acts17 did much of anything. Seems the police made a few moves very prematurely at the request festival employees. That's what happens when you're wrong. You get called out for making a bad decision. We also know the officers version of events he supposedly witnessed did not match up with the video.

*Why have Acts17Apologetics deceived everybody by presenting their irrelevant footage and misconstruing it (deliberately) in order to appear innocent and portray the officers as the guilty party? (Deception?)

Reply: No deception. Their footage was answering claims made by the Mayor that was obviously going on bad information. Since police can only make misdemeanor arrest if they are witnesses to the act, the Acts 17 group had every right to show the claims being false.

*Why did Acts17Apologetics never show the footage of their encounter with Roger Williams? (They DO have this footage) (Deception?)

Reply: To be honest I have no idea. They say they wait for some info to splice into the video. But I have no idea. All I can comment on is what I've seen. Nor can you. You have no interest in being fair or non-biased.

*Why did Acts17Apologetics and their supporters try to demonise Muslims by linking the event to Sharia when no Muslim was involved in the breach of peace incident? (It is a battle between Roger Williams and Acts17apologetics, NOBODY ELSE) (Deception?)

Reply: Um, a Muslim festival official was involved. Amal Alslami. Had it not been for her conflicting stories to police officers backing up Rogers false statements, the police may not have ever looked in on the group where even their version of events is debunked by the video evidence. It seems Muslims and police and fake Christians have problems.

*Why have Acts17apologetics not told us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? (Deception?)

Reply: You're yet to produce anything to the contrary. So far their statements regarding the differences in the police and mayors version and thiers have all been on the Mark. See they weren't arrested for their supposed actions to Roger. That's what drew the police there. The "criminal complaint" as it be. They were arrested for things like: failure to obey the officers request to move (which the video showed them asking if they should move), Blocking the walkway (most likely a fire ordinance, but the video shows otherwise).

You don't seem to understand that police in America couldn't go on Rogers words alone for a misdemeanor charge. So it was the police that made a false arrest on trumped up charges. But it was Roger and Amal that started it.

Just a very disingenuous blog.

Yahya Snow said...

@locrian



Please cool down with the insults.

Stop missing the issue; Acts 17 claimed they were arrested for being christian preachers...this is a lie

This is an issue between christian missionaries 9(acts17 v Roger Williams)

Why acts 17 and their followers claim it to be a Sharia thing is beyond me

Locrian said...

You Said: Please cool down with the insults.

Saying this blog is disingenuous isn't an insult. Saying you've not given evidence of your claims isn't an insult. Get over it. Like this blog isn't 100 times as insulting as anything I've posted. When I make a personal comment about you or your family, feel free to correct me then.

Worry more about being a good human being then attacking a straw man.

You Said: Stop missing the issue; Acts 17 claimed they were arrested for being christian preachers...this is a lie

Reply: And how is this a lie? They weren't arrested for the supposed actions against Roger, as police couldn't do this without a first hand witness. So police seen no problem in taking the complaint of the festival workers, embellishing a little, and saying they seen for themselves the blocking of the tent, the harassment of Muslims, Nabeel screaming and inciting the crowd. This is all very much inline with Sharia law, and is the birth of a downfall in my beautiful state.


You Said: This is an issue between christian missionaries 9(acts17 v Roger Williams)

Reply: No it's not. Roger was the one that instigated it. The Muslima collaborated the lie. But in the end it was DBPD that made false statements of what they seen giving them cause for arrest. Actually it's even worse. A Sgt, not even at the scene gives the final word to arrest all partied on hearsay which has been proven false. As horrible as my state is doing financially, it's my hope they sue the DBPD for enough to cover their cost and expand their ministry. really I wish this could be done against the individual police instead, as it wasn't more then 10 cops out of the whole PD. But sadly you can't sue an individual officer, so the city loosing the money is fine with me.

You Said: Why acts 17 and their followers claim it to be a Sharia thing is beyond me.

Reply: Well it's easy. Here we have a fake Christian that has submitted to Islam as a dhimmi. Under the protection of the Muslims. For whatever reason he and his Muslima counterpart bring false charges which the police in the area can't confirm first hand, so they embellish the charge and the facts a little...and poof. Christians are arrested. I realize the city of Dearborn aren't using the "Reliance of the Traveler" yet. But, as we know from Islamic history....this is how it starts. And we don't want it.

Besmikov Lenko said...

Yahya, don't even bother replying to Locrian. His arguments can be dissembled with ease, don't let his clever rhetoric fool you.

Yahya Snow said...

@Besmikov

I agree Locrian's arguments are missing the point and are from an individual from Acts 17's camp.

Why have Acts 17 remained silent upon these claims; they KNOW they deceived us.

I was on the verge of rebuking the police...but the police report came out and I was shocked to discover the deception of Acts 17.


Locrian claims this site is offensive...this site investigates minstries for corruption and deceit (amongst other things). Acts 17 have failed the investigation.

This site does Christians a favour; at least we expose deceptive ministries and therefore save Christians time and money as Christians realise they are being duped by tricksters under the guise of the Church.

Sincere Christians will see it as a service.

Remember Ergun Caner? Who outed him as a con man? A Muslim on YouTube (named Mohammad Khan). He saved Christians from being misled for cash and misguided attempts at fame

Remember Sam Shamoun? Who outed him? Yes, Muslims!

Remember christian Prince? Muslims exposed him as a liar and fraud.

I think Locrian needs to read the police report and realise a Christian missionary (named Roger Williams) made the complaint against Acts 17.

Therefore it is a case of Christian missionary Vs Christian missionary

Besmikov Lenko said...

If anything that drives these fraudsters - it's money. Televangelism is any way to make a buck! Check out AM.com - Nabeel Qureshi and Negeen Mayel just love to run their mouths.

sam1528 said...

a'kum guys,

locrian brought up 'reliance of the traveller' in his effort to portray that 'the mooooslemmms are taking over dearborn'.

There was / is the church 'doctrine of perpetual servitude' which is even worse.

The link from the website 'loonwatch' as follows ;
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/the-churchs-doctrine-of-perpetual-servitude-was-worse-than-dhimmitude/

Locrian said...

First off I don't claim this site is offensive. I claim "this site is 100 times more insulting then anything I've said"

See this is what happens when you place a piece of text in front of a Muslim. They can't seem to read it without injecting their own ideas into the text. There's a huge difference between "insulting" and "offensive", and I never said I found the "site" either. Maybe one day you'll buy a dictionary.

Look I really have no reason to come back here. I'm going to remove what they have called a subscription to the thread. I've read your views. I see nothing of any substance and I'll move on.

But before I go, the question was asked: Why aren't they(acts17) here to defend themselves?

Though I can't speak for them, it's probably because this blog holds no merit. It has very few users. It's just not worth the time to come and debunk everything this user puts out. He's harmless. A no body in the debate circuit. You make not like this reason, or hold the idea your thoughts and concerns hold more weight, but in the end.......who cares...

But good luck guys. Hope you all have a very nice day.

Yahya Snow said...

Locrian

I hope you have a nice day too.

I would like to tell you nobody affiliated to this site is in the debate circuit. Maybe that is why we are all nobodies in that regard.

In any case...last time I checked one did not need to be in the debate circuit to make valid points.

I would also like to remind you the police simply did their job; thus acts 17 deceived us when they misled us into thinking the cops arrested them for preaching/recording.

We all know of their dishonesty.

I bid you farewell...remember Jesus was a nobody in the political arena of Jerusalem.

Nobodies can be correct :)

Peace

I bid you farewell my dear

Anonymousing said...

God Bless you Brother Locrian!

I exult for joy in Yahweh, my soul rejoices in my God, for he has clothed me in garments of salvation, he has wrapped me in a cloak of saving justice, like a bridegroom wearing his garland, like a bride adorned in her jewels.

I will bless Yahweh at all times, his praise continually on my lips. I will praise Yahweh from my heart; let the humble hear and rejoice. Proclaim with me the greatness of Yahweh, let us acclaim his name together.

For Yahweh God is a rampart and shield, he gives grace and glory; Yahweh refuses nothing good to those whose life is blameless. Yahweh Sabaoth, blessed is he who trusts in you.

Bless Yahweh, my soul, from the depths of my being, his holy name;

Any one of you who is in trouble should pray; anyone in good spirits should sing a psalm

Be filled with the Spirit. Sing psalms and hymns and inspired songs among yourselves, singing and chanting to the Lord in your hearts, always and everywhere giving thanks to God who is our Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Let the Word of Christ, in all its richness, find a home with you. Teach each other, and advise each other, in all wisdom. With gratitude in your hearts sing psalms and hymns and inspired songs to God;

In the middle of the night Paul and Silas were praying and singing God's praises, while the other prisoners listened

Always be joyful, then, in the Lord; I repeat, be joyful!

Anonymousing said...

wow guess Yahya is censoring again :(

Anonymous said...

well do you admit the security guards were assaulting them for no reason? and when they said this is the United states of america someone in the crowd said no way? How about the assualt of the woman with a camera? That is against not only US law but moral judegement..it is clear there is hate for common americans in Dearborn michigan from the muslim population so.....if you hate us Americans so much ..why are you here? why don't you go back to where you can kill by law, maim by law and hurt by law...cause HERE YOU CANNOT - Just because the police supported these actions that it is supported country wide.. This video will be on TV and the hate will be shown to all Americans. Go hate else where haters...

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