Tuesday, 3 August 2010

Missionary Site Making Conversion Stories Up?

Pinar's Testimony (Does Pinar Exist? Is it a Missionary Forgery/Hoax?)

I came across this testimony of an ex-muslim converting Christianity on a missionary website; the chief architect of this website is well known to me and characterized by dishonesty and sensationalism

As I was reading through this testimony I could not help asking myself whether it was genuine, a hoax or simply a product of the website owners mind.
The “testimony” begins with the lady’s background and is written in the first person. The lady is named “Pinar”

My Muslim Background

She goes on to describe a secular background, a background which has very little mention of Islam or Islamic practices yet she is presented as an ex-Muslim; this is a little curious.

I was born in a big city in Turkey, to a modern family, who lived their Muslim faith in a secular way. They advised me not to worry too much about God and religion but just know that God loves me and that I love him and He will protect me and everything will be great.

Now she is questioned as to the existence of God. Does she answer utilizing the Quran or mention prayer? No, why not? It seems a little odd.

I had a lot of atheist and agnostic friends, and when they asked me how I know God exists, I told them I could feel His presence. My life was a bundle of love and blessings…

She reaches 18 and decides to read the Quran, this is odd. Why had she not read the Quran prior to this? After all she was born into a Muslim family. Curious.

Up until I decided to really check what it means to be a Muslim and what does the Kur’an say. I was 18 years old

When I decided to read the Kur’an and see what my wonderful God, full of love, has to say in the Holy Book. As you can imagine I was disappointed.

Why was she disappointed? God is al Wadood (the Most Loving) S85:14. How can you be disappointed at that? Perhaps she did not read all the Quran?

However, it now becomes apparent why her “testimony” is on an anti-Muslim site (the chief architect of the site is well renowned for hatred), she has a sensational pop:

The book was the worst horror book I have ever read. Every night my heart was racing and I was filled with terror. I said to myself, if that is what God is, I am an atheist. And I rejected the Lord of the universe just like my atheist friends.

Wow this lady wants us to believe she stopped believing in God all because of the Quran which she thought to be a “horror book”. She is even more sensationalistic as she claimed she was “filled with terror” and “every night” her “heart was racing”

Now do you really expect us to believe that?

The Quranic descriptions of Hell are balanced with descriptions of Paradise.
Furthermore, the passages concerning disbelievers have a context; did she not read the Quran with some sort of Tafsir?

Did she read the Quran at all or is she simply making things up for effect? The Quran is full of glorious teachings of mercy, kindness and wisdom. Did she not read the FIRST chapter of the Quran (Surah Al-Fatiha), the English translation (S1:1) describes Allah as:

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most MERCIFUL

Note: This lady accepts the Bible despite the violent passages within the Bible. This is perplexing and suspicious to say the least!


In my view this story sounds a little fishy. It gets fishier and I begin to think it is a hoax or the product of the mind of one of the anti-Muslim brigade from the website in question.

However, this story does mention something interesting, as she stopped “believing” in Islam this happened:

Then my life changed, I lost my peace, joy, and love, my relationships started to shatter; even though I managed to look successful on the outside, I was a huge mess

Just to get another dig in she writes:

But I did not want anything to do with the God of the Kur’an. I could not lie to people and claim, I am a Muslim when I did not believe in more than half of the Holy Book.

What half would that be? You believed in half of the Book but disbelieved in the other half. That is odd. Care to explain?

Was it simply a case of this lady being unwilling to believe in Hell and the separation of believers and disbelievers?

Getting Interesting

It gets even more interesting as the lady is willing to believe in Christianity which also has teachings of Hell as well as a separation of believers and unbelievers. The Quran and the Bible have similar themes. Somebody needs to tell Pinar this, or at least give her copies of both Books so she can realise it herself.

Getting MORE Unbelievable

OK, now it gets even more unbelievable. A friend takes her to church, she likes it and continues going BUT does not convert to Christianity:

After that day, I kept on going to churches. I have gone to house churches, catholic, protestant, etc, you name it I went. But I was not a Christian, I just liked the experience since every time when I was feeling heavily burdened, I went to church and each time God touched my heart.

Does she bother to read the Bible? NO!

At least 30 friends witnessed to me in Turkey alone but none of them could convince me of following Jesus

Despite enjoying church and all these people trying to convert her she does not convert or read the Bible. Perhaps the Old Testament would have filled her with terror?

A vision of Jesus (why do all these "conversion" stories contain "visions"?)

She then claims to have seen a vision of Jesus in a dream. After this she converted to Christianity. She did not EVEN read the Bible but converted based on feelings. Even her dream of Jesus does not instruct her to follow Christianity:

I slept and immediately Jesus was there. I was praying in a circle of believers and Jesus was amidst of us. He was covered with a prayer shawl but we were in Him

OK, Jesus had a prayer shawl over him; perhaps this indicates he prays to God and therefore has a God. Muslims believe Jesus prayed to God. This is even confirmed in the Bible!

One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12) NIV

I (a Muslim) have SEEN Jesus (pbuh) in a dream too!!!

I have seen Jesus in a dream too. I did not convert to Christianity. In my dream Jesus was PRAYING (supplicating) to God. Thus Jesus has a God so cannot possibly be God.

In a different dream I was wandering the streets of Damascus and looking for Jesus whilst calling “Isa Ibn Maryam”. “Isa Ibn Maryam” is translated as “Jesus son of Mary”, thus through this dream, too, I realise Jesus is not the son of God. The significance of Damascus is that Jesus will descend upon the White minaret of Damascus in his second coming (Muslim belief).

Therefore, my dreams were in accordance with the Muslim beliefs of Jesus (pbuh).

Dissection + personal commentary was by Yahya Snow

Is “Pinar’s” story genuine?

Her story sounds far-fetched. Perhaps it was made up by somebody from the anti-Muslim website. Here are a few more fake “convert” stories; Mohammad Khan’s YouTube channel explores what are perceived to be fake “converts” (famously this channel helped bring the Christian evangelist Ergun Caner to account for his deception :

(Ironically Ergun Caner looks uncannily like the owner of the website (Sam Shamoun) which featured “Pinar’s conversion story” )

Here is a real convert (ex Christian Deacon Jerald Dirks):
Part 1:

Part 2:

Those who want to convert to Islam or learn more about Islam may visit:

Useful site:


Jesus (pbuh) praying to God in the Bible:

So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. (Mt 26:44) NIV

Jesus praying to his God in the gospel of Luke:

One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (Luke 6:12)

Another one:

Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." (Matthew 26:39)


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1 I have come into my garden, my sister, my
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Song. 5:1

One commentator expresses how intense the passion is in this verse. "The Loved
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Yahya Snow said...


I wouls ask you to rethink the word "porn" to describe those passages

Anonymous said...

xxxtians literally used song of solomon to teach masturbation

Anonymous said...

4 My lover thrust his hand through the latch-
opening; my heart began to pound for him. Song. 5:4

This passage was used as a sex tool for the sake of nuns. St. Jerome encouraged
virgins to use this as a fantasy that would enable them to live without a man. He said
to them, “Ever let the Bridegroom fondle you.....He will put his hand through the
opening and will touch your body. And you will arise trembling and cry, I am
lovesick.” The nuns would masturbate and find satisfaction without a man.

Anonymousing said...


Linger not!

Eat the honeycomb with your honey, drink your wine with your milk.

The blood is changed into wine to gladden you, the water into milk to nourish you.

From the rock streams have flowed for you, wounds have been made in his limbs, holes in the wall of his body, in which like a dove you may hide while you kiss them one by one.

Your lips, stained with his blood, will become like a scarlet ribbon and your word sweet.

Anonymous said...

Anonymousing your pagan porn cult known as xxx tianity is exposed along with its perversions

2 Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. (Song. 7:2)

The word navel is used for modesty, but the Hebrew word is generally translated today as vulva. Her body was a feast that he got great pleasure in devouring .... John Karmelich wrote, “Many of the commentators believe that “navel” is a bad translation. Many believe the word actually refers to the genitals. Notice that Solomon goes from feet to thighs/legs to navel to waist in the first two verses

Ali said...

it should be absolute NO SURPRISE these "ex-muslims" are actually christians. what they're using is philppians 1:18 where christians are allowed to lie, decieve and cheat.
take nonie darwish for example. an "ex-muslim" with the most errorful and contradictory testimony in modern day philippians 1:18 history. she is a VERY frequent liar and laughable remarks. i doubt she ever was a muslim. oh well these sick people will be exposed on judgement day inshallah.

Anonymous said...

its the tradition of christendome to do anything to deceive and lie in order to win converts, starting from the first missionary the liar paul

Anonymousing said...

Such sick disgusting minds. I expected nothing less when posting that comment.

Thank you All so much. But the Temple curtain did rip.

Learn the Bible, read it cover to cover. Then you can hypothesize But till then you all jsut look like dummies when you talk about The Holy Word of God.

Peace and Grace.

Anonymousing said...

“One day, Muhammad lifted up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, from his belly button to his armpits.”

And thats in Sunan Abu Dawuud, but you talk about Songs of Solomon! U know nothing of Solomon.

Anonymous said...

Anonymousing u dirty disgusting christian u have perverted the beautiful story about the Prophet (saw) asking if he had ever mistreated any of his companions and someone said yes that once he accidentally hit his back. So he lifted the garment over his back and told him to get his revenge/retribution and instead he kissed his back.

so go use ur bible to teach masturbation and castration. origen castrated himself because of ur porn book and matthew 19:12

and tell me y ur mangod was running around with naked men and y "david" was getting homo with jonathan.

anonymousing said...


“One day, Muhammad lifted up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, from his belly button to his armpits.”




(ps dont make me bust out any more homosexual activity hadith from your prophet cause there is more :)

Anonymous said...

u dirty lying christian BRING THE FULL HADITH if ur truthful and ill educate u and ur mangod

why was ur mangod running around with naked people???

Mark 14:51-52 (New International Version)

51A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.

and this was the disciple that "he loved". we see this again in john

John 21:20 (King James Version)

20Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

u cant explain y ur bible is used as a sex manual infact the kama sutra was based off it


Anonymous said...

Again here is an interpretation of song of solomon by a christian

2:5 "lovesick" - overcome with sexual passion

2:6 "embrace" - fondle her vulva.

2:7 "Do not stir up nor awaken love until it pleases" = The experience of lovemaking is too powerful to be aroused before the couple have committed themselves in marriage.

2:9 "gazelle or young stag" - suggests sexual virility as gazelles and stags in the spring.

2:15 The meaning of the whole verse is: Let us give full expression to our love now while our bodies (vines) are young (tender grapes) before aging (the foxes) takes its toll on our bodies (spoil the vines).

2:16 "feeds among the lilies" - refers to kissing some tender part of each other's bodies.

2:17 "until the day breaks" - she wants it to last until the morning.

2:17 "upon the mountains of Bether" - run your hands and mouth over the contours of my body.

3:6-11 The groom's wedding procession. Solomon is a kind of code name for the lover as Shulamite (see

6:13, i.e., "Solomoness") is for the beloved. The picture of the processional with its entourage and trappings is hyperbolic, deliberately exaggerated to heighten the significance of the event. Behind this poem may lie a royal wedding song from Solomon's time which helped to shape its extravagant descriptions of royal largesse expended in the services of love.

3:11 "crown" - In ancient times garlands were worn on weddings and the bride and groom were called queen and king.

4:3 "temples" - cf. Judges 4:21-22, describe more generally the side of the face. Hence "cheeks" is meant. Her cheeks are compared with the rosy, roundness of "pomegranate" halves.

4:4 "neck like tower of David" - erect and queenly carriage.

4:4 "shields" - tiered or layered coins or ornaments of precious metal that adorned her neck as she walked in public. The coins or ornaments were her dowry.

4:5 "two fawns," "twins of a gazelle" - The reference is to the dorcus gazelle, an animal about two feet high at the shoulders, and a marvel of lightness, beauty, and grace. The gentle beauty of its eyes was proverbial. The attractiveness of the gazelle invited petting and affectionate touching. One of the most common associations with the gazelle was that it was a delicacy served at Solomon's table (1 Kings

4:23). They are delicious to eat. As gazelles were warm and affectionate, so was the beloved as a sexual partner.

4:10 "wine" - symbol of supreme pleasure.

4:10 "the scent of your perfumes" - those she naturally produces.

4:11 "your lips drip with honey" - speaks of the sweetness of her kisses.

4:11 "honey and milk are under your tongue" - points to the depth and fullness of the kissing.

4:12 "garden" - The garden refers to her vulva and vagina. When the lover says it is locked, he is saying it has never been entered; she is a virgin. Thus to describe his wife's vulva as a garden is to say it is beautiful to behold, like flowered gardens of the East.


Anonymous said...

Bloch & Bloch commentary, Solomon on Sex by Dallow

2:5 "lovesick" - overcome with sexual passion

2:6 "embrace" - fondle her vulva.

2:15 The meaning of the whole verse is: Let us give full expression to our love now while our bodies (vines) are young (tender grapes) before aging (the foxes) takes its toll on our bodies (spoil the vines).

2:16 "feeds among the lilies" - refers to kissing some tender part of each other's bodies.

4:12 "garden" - The garden refers to her vulva and vagina. When the lover says it is locked, he is saying it has never been entered; she is a virgin. Thus to describe his wife's vulva as a garden is to say it is beautiful to behold, like flowered gardens of the East.

4:13 "orchard of pomegranates" - depicts the beauty and colortone of her vulva which abounds in delights to his senses.

Anonymous said...

again u worship a dying naked mangod on a cross and

Anonymousing said...

Yes Anon. Jesus was followed by poor peasants who had no clothes to wear. And yes, Jesus loved his disciples; He loved all the world, including you.

Context wil not matter in this case - U cannot get around the fact that Muhammad lifted up his shirt and another man kissed him all over the belly button and armpits. That just wack.

I also saw you just made up your own personal definitions for a whole bunch of words...interesting...this is how Muslims approach AL HAQQ?

Anonymousing said...

Well let me present some surahs an commentary for you straight out the Quran:

"Surely for the godfearing awaits a place of security, gardens and vineyards, and maidens of SWELLING BREASTS (kawa'ib), like of age, and a cup overflowing." S. 78:33

Ibn Kathir gives a more fully detailed description of what these breasts look like:

meaning, wide-eyed maidens WITH FULLY DEVELOPED BREASTS. Ibn 'Abbas, Mujahid and others have said,

"This means ROUND BREASTS. They meant by this THAT THE BREASTS OF THESE GIRLS WILL BE FULLY ROUNDED AND NOT SAGGING, because they will be virgins, equal in age..."

(Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Abridged, Volume 10, Surat At-Tagabun to the end of the Qur'an, pp. 333-334).

Sunni Muslim commentator G.F. Haddad states concerning this surah:

...{There serve them youths of everlasting youth, whom, when you see them, you would take for scattered pearls} (76:19). If this does not make a believing woman happy then, as Imam al-Shafi`i said to the one WHO IS NOT MOVED BY EROTIC POETRY, "You have no feelings." As for the believing men, as one of the Awliya said, some of them will need GHUSL just FOR HEARING THE VERSE {Same-age young-bosomed girls} (78:33). As for us hard-hearted analphabets we may read it and read it without effect. (Haddad, Sex with slaves and women's rights)

Some Muslims have a little accident while reading this surah and need a GHUSL after? Hmmm...can anyone say perversion?

And I can assure you, you will NOT find disgust like this ANYWHERE NEAR Jesus teaching :)

Anonymousing said...


Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them. S. 55:56

And in regards to another graphic surah 36:55:

Indeed today the inhabitants of Paradise are busy (read fī shughlin or fī shughulin), [oblivious] to what the inhabitants of the Fire are suffering, [busy] delighting in pleasures such as deflowering virgins - not busy with anything wearisome, as there is no toil in Paradise - rejoicing, blissful (fākihūna is a second predicate of inna, the first being fī shugulin, 'busy') (Tafsir al-Jalalayn)

According to this hadith, a man named Zahir, who used to declare that “the prophet loves me”, said that one day Muhammad crept unaware behind him and put him in a bear-hug. Zahir, alarmed, yelled, “Get off me!” After turning his head and discovering that it was Muhammad, he stopped struggling and proceeded to “push his back into the prophets chest” :-o

Anonymousing said...

"No less than 20 Islamic sources—such as the hadiths of Ahmad bin Hanbal—relay that Muhammad used to suck on the tongues of boys and girls. "

Sahih Bukhari (2/911), records Muhammad saying, "Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when Im dressed in womens clothing—except when Im dressed in Aisha's." :-o

Fortunately the situation isn't entirely bleak. A growing number of academic and non-academic people alike are beginning to ask this important question. Did Muhammad have homosexual tendencies?



Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 429: Narrated Malik bin Sasaa:
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men.


Anonymousing said...


“One day, Muhammad lifted up his shirt for a man who proceeded to kiss his entire torso, from his belly button to his armpits.” SAHIH BABEY!

Yahya, why dont you make an article titled "100% proof Muhammad was not gay". I mean there is just so much more you could defend when you look into the Muslim sources concerning Muhammad and his..."activities" with other men than you could ever bring up with JC :D

Anonymousing said...

More to come later Anon! (maybe, maybe)

Yahya Snow said...


Why do you have an issue with sex being in Paradise?

I will be featuring a video (by Islamresp) which relates to the Christian view of Paradise...God-willing I will couple it with an article of mine

Anonymousing said...


I have absolutely no problem with sex being in paradise. But why in the world would physical carnal human lust take its place among eternity? It just doesnt make sense. There is no point to reproduction once your dead. Sex if for reproduction. (and i guess pleasure in the islamic heaven)

Yahya, please write an article defending all the SAHIH hadith implying homosexual tendencies on Muhammads part. U know the crossdressing and the tounge sucking and laying with other men and grinding on other men and the other men kissing him all over his body etc....

Besides, how in the world does a Muslim know what a Christian thinks about jennah? Stop trying to be like Christians yahya. But im anticipating your article, it ought to be a real hoot to read!!

Yahya Snow said...


I can assure you there is no homosexual activities related to the Prophet Muhammad or any other Prophet (pbut)

You can email me any ahadith (sahih) which you want me to incorporate in the article



Anonymousing said...

Insult faith? Your Muslim brother just said we worship a dead naked man and im being insulting? He made up all those things about songs of Solomon and im being insultin? If your own hadith insult you thats not my prob.

Email you? I just posted all these sahih hadith here, why would i email you?

These hadith say Muhammad cross dressed in Aishas clothes and that another man kissed his bellybutton and his whole torso up and down to his armpit. This is homosexual. There is no ifs, ands or buts about it.

And i read some articles by Jalarab or something a minute ago trying to say that Muhammad wasnt wearing womans clothes. His explanations are truely pathetic especially when it says in sahih Bukhari:

So Um Salamah went and talked with the prophet but he did not respond to her. When the group asked her what the prophet said she told them that he did not respond. So they asked her to go talk to him again until he responds… then the prophet said to her, “Do not hurt me with Aisha, for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN A WOMAN’S GARMENT(fee thawb imra’ah) EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393)

There is your homosexual activity. Now go write an article titled "100% proof Muhammad was NOT GAY"

Ali said...

anonymousing, jesus kissed and got kissed by his male disciples.

Anonymousing said...

So what Ali? Dont you know that today males all over the world greet eachother like that? And let me tell you, those arent "real kisses", all they are is small pecks on either side of the cheek, lips dont even touch the cheek in fact, and thats how they kissed back then also to greet eachother. Actually i think Yahya touched up on this in his "100% proof Jesus was not gay" article. You should check it out!

Keep in mind this is all a million miles away from lifting up your shirt and letting another man go to town on your bellybutton and armpits! LOL

So Yahya, are you going to write an article "100% proof Muhammad was not gay" cause im starting to question why he was recieving revelation in Aishas clothes (only God knows what he was actually wearing)and why other men were kissing him up and down his stomach...and i actually found some other hadith, but these might be too graphic even for this blog! LOL

Sorry but if you dont think wearing womens clothes is at least a little gay, i dont know whats wrong with you...

Anonymousing said...

And he that betrayed him, gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that is He, hold him fast. And forthwith coming to Jesus, he said: Hail, Rabbi. And he kissed him. And Jesus said to him, Friend, whereto art thou come? Then they came up, and laid hands on Jesus, and held him.

How wiling was your spirit for the Passion, good Jesus, you showed clearly when you met of your own accord those bloody men coming with your betrayer, seeking your soul in the night with lanters and axes and arms, and you revealed yourself at a sign which they recieved from the leader of the shameful act. For you did not turn away from the bloodthirsty beast approaching for a kiss.


Yahya Snow said...


Prophet Muhammad never wore women's clothing...

I will explain the narration in an upcoming post...inshaAllah

Prophet Muhammad never did anything homosexual.

please stop repeating yourself and wait for my post

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