Monday, 26 August 2013

James White's Desperation and Poor Scholarship on the Compilation of the Quran

James White has a couple of problems, pride and ignorance (a lack of knowledge) when it comes to speaking about Islam - this precludes him from speaking on the subject in an authoritative and scholarly capacity.

In this video we see James bragging (he does a lot of that) about his 'scholarship' whilst presenting a complete fabrication about Ibn Masud being beaten up for not handing his mushaf over. He even fails to understand why Ibn Masud refused to hand over his mushaf despite it being explained to him as well as it being in the actual source material. Shoddy. Shamoun-esque!

What makes this video expose even more telling is that this man even claimed to be able to narrate ahadith like imams as well as having read more than most imams (oh let's not forget his claim to have 'translated' portions of the Quran). If you think that's just ridiculous and I'm making this up, here's the video:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/james-whites-pride-keeps-bound-to.html

OK, let's get on topic and view this video compilation highlighting James White's pride, ignorance and absolute inability/unwillingness to present the facts in an accurate fashion despite these facts staring him right in the face concerning Ibn Masud.

Correcting James White Again and Again

James White really needs to drop this charade. James is not the only victim of his pride, shoddy scholarship and ignorance. Do you know who else is a victim? Those who follow him - Christians.

This is one of the biggest problems that affects Christian apologetics today - the churning out of inaccurate information. You can bet someone somewhere just took James at face value and has presented these arguments elsewhere. Does James even care. Making a hoo-ha over Ergun Caner is one thing but this is something totally different - both of which further dents the credibility of Christian evangelists.

It's also quite telling that we see Christians going to such an extent of source-fudging just to attempt to make the Quran appear to be similar to the New Testament in reliability. It speaks volumes. Absolute volumes.

Related: Switch James White's Lamp on

Jesus taught people to do the Will of God (according to Mark 3:35) in order to become his brothers, mothers or sisters. A Muslim means one who submits to the Will of God. Do you want to become a brother of Jesus? If yes, become a Muslim. Now is the time.

Learn about Islam:
http://www.whyislam.org/


10 comments:

Yahya Snow said...

This is mbc's video description:

Published on 26 Aug 2013


Was Ibn Masud (ra) beaten up or killed for refusing to hand over his copy of the Qur'an?

Special thanks to bro 1MoreMuslim who made the footage arrangement, titles added etc, the core of the material here comes from his page

http://www.youtube.com/user/1MoreMuslim

The following excerpt was taken from the debate took place at Biola University, between Imam Shabir Ally and Dr. James White

The Topic was Is the New Testament As It Exists Today the Inspired Word of God?

Click here to watch the full debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvqq6A...

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Dr. Shabir Ally holds a B.A. in Religious Studies from Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, with a specialization in Biblical Literature, and an M.A. in Religious Studies from the University of Toronto with a specialization in Quranic Exegesis and a Ph.D studies in Quranic Exegesis at the University of Toronto.

Dr. Shabir is the president of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto where he functions as Imam.

He travels internationally to represent Islam in public lectures and interfaith dialogues.

He explains Islam on a weekly television program called "Let the Quran Speak.

He's the author of the book " Is Jesus God? The Bible Says No ! "

He currently teaches Arabic at the University of Toronto.

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sam1528 said...

The reference that Dr James White used can be viewed online.

The Recensions of the Quran by Rev Canon Sell (Madras 1909), page 15 -16. Reference made to 'Journal Asiatique , Decembre 1843, p. 385' (footnote of page)

This is more than 100 yrs old - outdated scholarship. The time of out great forefathers. Orientalist scholarship has moved on. The understanding is the opposite nowadays.

For your interest.

Sam Shamoun Debates said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aRkYaJ3Vd8

Anonymous said...

James r white is not a scholar ps Islam. He just talks about it like a normal mossilnary Christian so makes mistakes and says wrong things at times

Radical Moderate said...

Don't you guys have any new material?

I mean 2006 really 2006, something that has already been addressed multiple times and your still bringing it up.

Sad and pathetic

Anonymous said...

Muslimbychoice did the video this week. Did u even watch it

Radical Moderate said...

Anon who wrote...

"Muslimbychoice did the video this week. Did u even watch it"

My response:

Yes I did watch it and obviously you did not. Since the video is dealing with a incident that happened in a debate in 2006.

This same incident the Snowman and others on this blog and other blogs have used over and over and over and over again. Kind of funny in a 1 to 2 hour debate in 2006 the only thing Muslims can come up with is a single incident that was clearly a mistake. Something Dr White has addressed numerous times both in writing as well as on The Dividing Line.

Seriously guys, get some new material already. Dr White has done numerous debates since then, he has even written a book "What every Christian should know about Islam"



Radical Moderate said...

Anon who wrote...

"Muslimbychoice did the video this week. Did u even watch it"

My response:

Yes I did watch it and obviously you did not. Since the video is dealing with a incident that happened in a debate in 2006.

This same incident the Snowman and others on this blog and other blogs have used over and over and over and over again. Kind of funny in a 1 to 2 hour debate in 2006 the only thing Muslims can come up with is a single incident that was clearly a mistake. Something Dr White has addressed numerous times both in writing as well as on The Dividing Line.

Seriously guys, get some new material already. Dr White has done numerous debates since then, he has even written a book "What every Christian should know about Islam"



Anonymous said...

Paul Williams dnt wate his time with white.

Radical Moderate said...

anon said...

"Paul Williams dnt wate his time with white."

Translation

Paul Williams ran from Dr White.