Friday 24 May 2013

An Idiot From AnsweringIslam.com and ABNsat

Here we have an Assyrian Christian who works for a Christian missionary website presenting a ridiculous falsehood that his own Christian colleagues do not even believe!

In this video Sam Shamoun is caught red-handed, refuted and mocked for his utter idiocy.



If video does not play, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYRMy5d1rPY

For more information on the commentaries regarding /surah 15: 90-91 please see the link below:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/a-false-claim-about-preservation-of.html

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

treble b exposed

Anonymous said...

SCHOLARS ON …. ‘ SURA 15:90-91 ‘

” Those who break the Qur’an into parts) they said many different things about the Qur’an; some said it was magic, others said it was poetry, others said it was a form of divination; some said it was fables of the people of old while others said that it was mere lies invented by the Prophet. ”

SOURCE… Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs,

” those who have reduced the Recitation, namely, those scriptures revealed to them, to parts, believing in some and disbelieving in others. It is [alternatively] said that the individuals meant here were those who ‘divided up’ among themselves the roads to Mecca, barring people from Islam. Some of them said that the Qur’an was sorcery, some that it was soothsaying, and others that it was poetry.

SOURCE….Tafsir al-Jalalayn

“They are the People of the Book, who divided the Book into parts, believing in some of it, and rejecting some of it.” Some have said that Al-Mutaqasimin refers to the Quraysh, that the Qur’an means this Qur’an [as opposed to the Scriptures of the People of the Book], and that “made it into parts” referred to what `Ata’ said that some of them said that he (the Prophet ) was a sorcerer, some said he was crazy, or a soothsayer.

SOURCE….Tafsir of Ibn Kathir



MORE SCHOLARLY SOURCES

” It refers to the Jews and Christians , who took out of scripture what suited them and ignored and rejected the rest ”

SOURCE…..Abdullah Yusuf Ali , translation page 634

“The Jews and Christians accepted such parts of the Quran which suited them and rejected the rest ”

SOURCE……Translation by Mir Ahmed Ali , with notes by Ayatollah pooya ,
page 842


Jesus

Anonymous said...

MUSLIM SCHOLARS ON PRESERVATION OF THE QURAN

” The opinion of ALL SCHOLARS from the beginning of Islam till now that the Quran is free from any corruption ”

SOURCE …. Scholar Syed Mohsin Hakeem as recorded in translation by Mir
Ahmed Ali , page 59

“Nor any shortage , nor addition of any kind had taken place in the Quran

SOURCE…….Scholar Syed Meelani as recorded in translation by Mir
Ahmed Ali , page 63

“The Quran has no additions nor any subtractions of any kind ”

SOURCE ….. Scholar Qasim Khoyi as recorded in translation by Mir
Ahmed Ali , page 60 .

Point to note here Qasim Khoyi is the biggest scholar in the Shia world , his works are followed through the academia , both among the Sunnis and Shias and western scholarship.

Jesus

Anonymous said...

WESTERN SCHOLARSHIP ON THE QURAN

” As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned , we may be confident that the test has been generally transmitted exactly as it was found in the prophets legacy ”

SOURCE…….Geschichte des Qoran , 11, pg.120

” We have the mushaf of Mohammed in our hands ”

SOURCE…….The collection of Quran ,Oxford university press,John Burton
page 239

“The very fact that varying and even contradictory deliverances have been preserved is strong proof that, with perhaps minor exceptions, we have the whole of what was revealed to Muhammad“

SOURCE…Watt, W. M.. Bell’s Introduction to the Qur’an. Edinburgh: . p. 56

“The earliest manuscripts of the Qur’an, which probably date from the early eighth century, are preserved in museums in Tashkent, Sanaa and Istanbul. It must be emphasized repeatedly that the primary deposit of the Qur’an was and still is in the hearts of the memorizers, for whom any written form acted only as an aide memoire. This emphasis prevents any thoughts of discrepencies entering into the recited text. This process of memorization and compilation and compilation of the written form means that the science of manuscript criticism, which is central to New Testament scholarship, is almost non-existent in Islam, as almost no variant readings in ancient manuscripts exist.”

SOURCE….Hewer, C. T. R. (2006). Understanding Islam: the First Ten Steps. . p. 52

Anonymous said...

THE BIBLE TESTIFIES TO ITS OWN CORRUPTION

” How can you say, “We are wise because we have the law(Torah) of the Lord,” when your teachers have twisted it so badly? ” (New Living Translation, Jeremiah 8:8 )

SCHOLARS ON THIS VERSE

” The further back we go in the textual lineage, the greater the textual differences. Before the text was fixed as ca. 100 CE it was copied and recopied through many centuries by scribes of varying capabilities and of different philosophies, giving rise to varying readings and recessions (i.e., distinct text-types) ”

SOURCE….Bruce K. Waltke, “How We Got the Hebrew Bible: The Text and Canon of the Old Testament”, in Peter W. Flint (ed.), The Bible at Qumran: Text, Shape, and Interpretation (Studies in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Related Literature), 2001, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, p. 27

” So the composition of the Scriptures was organic, developmental, with successive layers of tradition. The process of composition of the Scriptures was layered; some of the latter stages of that process – multiple literary editions of the books of Scripture – are demonstrated by our new extant evidence. Because the text of each book was produced organically, in multiple layers, determining “the original text” is a difficult, complex task; and theologically it may not even be the correct goal.Thus, finally, the situation has changed concerning translations of “The Holy Bible.” The New Revised Standard Version now contains a number of improved readings based on the biblical manuscripts from Qumran. It can even claim to be the first Bible to contain a paragraph missing from all Bibles for 2,000 years! It contains between chapters 10 and 11 in 1 Samuel a paragraph found at Qumran and attested by Josephus, but absent from all other Bibles over the past two millennia !

SOURCE: Eugene Ulrich, The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Origins of the Bible (Studies in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Related Literature), 1999, Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, p. 32

THE JEWISH STUDY BIBLE ON THE SAME TOPIC

“We do not know who the Torah came together to form a single book . Scholars have posited an editor or series of editors or redactors called R. Much was probably lost .We do not know how and why the redactors made their selection ”

SOURCE ……. THE JEWISH STUDY BIBLE , page 6


Jesus

Anonymous said...

ooooooooooohhhhh , SAM SHAMOUNS BIBLE CORRUPTED TO THE CORE , HIS BIBLE TESTIFIES TO IT AND THIS IS A FACT UPHELD BY ALL SCHOLARS .

COME TO TERMS WITH IT SAM ! , YOUR BIBLE IS CORRUPT OUR QURAN IS NOT.


DEBATE WITH ME SAM , RIGHT NOW RIGHT HERE ON THE ABOVE TOPIC , LETS SEE WHETHER YOUR HOLY SPIRIT HELPS YOU OR ABANDONS YOU LIKE HE ABANDONED YOUR BIBLE AND ABANDONED NABEEL IN HIS DEBATE WITH BASSAM

COME ON SAM , WAITING FOR YOU ….

POOR GUY , DEBATING THE CORRUPTION OF THE BIBLE IS LIKE DEBATING DOES THE EARTH REVOLVE AROUND THE SUN.


Jesus

Anonymous said...

sam look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GF6YIk-2s

Anonymous said...

Do not put too much hope on Greek texts as word of God. Where is Logia of Jesus in Aramaic. Where is Matthew’s Aramaic gospel?

P46 (175CE) is Greek manuscript with the largest percentage of difference on record. This just proved that Church have been changing words since early 2nd century at will.

Here is the words of the early church father, Origen (3rd century CE):
“The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.” Origen, early church father in “Commentary on Matthew.”

Regarding the oldest surviving fragment, Colin Roberts compared P52 writings using ONLY 5 samples from the early 2nd century CE back in 1935 and concluded based on those 5 samples; P52 was from the early 2nd century.

(Brent Nongbri’s 2005. The Use and Abuse of P52: Papyrological Pitfalls in the Dating of the Fourth Gospel)
What I have done is to show that any serious consideration of the window of possible dates for P52 must include dates in the later second and early third centuries. – Brent

Compare with 4th century codexes. You will be surprise how Holy Spirit inside the scribes fail to prevent them from changing words of God ever since the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Do not put too much hope on Greek texts as word of God. Where is Logia of Jesus in Aramaic. Where is Matthew’s Aramaic gospel?

P46 (175CE) is Greek manuscript with the largest percentage of difference on record. This just proved that Church have been changing words since early 2nd century at will.

Here is the words of the early church father, Origen (3rd century CE):
“The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.” Origen, early church father in “Commentary on Matthew.”

Regarding the oldest surviving fragment, Colin Roberts compared P52 writings using ONLY 5 samples from the early 2nd century CE back in 1935 and concluded based on those 5 samples; P52 was from the early 2nd century.

(Brent Nongbri’s 2005. The Use and Abuse of P52: Papyrological Pitfalls in the Dating of the Fourth Gospel)
What I have done is to show that any serious consideration of the window of possible dates for P52 must include dates in the later second and early third centuries. – Brent

Compare with 4th century codexes. You will be surprise how Holy Spirit inside the scribes fail to prevent them from changing words of God ever since the beginning.