I fear, the dishonest hate preachers who Nabeel Qureshi will not even defend, Sam Shamoun and David Wood, will continue with their online money making operations; receiving cash from gullible and hate-mongering supporters.
Whatever happened to the days of discernment where one could easily recognise the charlatan from somebody with scholarly authority? Whatever ever happened to those days? This is a problem of the internet, the lines between the amateur, the charlatan, the scholar and the downright dishonest have been blurred and people are taking advantage of this haze.
We all know the impact of dishonest Eastern Christians in the West (i.e. Ergun Caner, Walid Shoebat, Usama Dakdok etc.) who spout what they think their audience wants them to hear with a complete disregard for scholarship and accuracy yet what's not so well documented is the manner in which a number of Western Christians readily offer dishonest servings to their followers and take the cash at the end of the day.
Let's pray this important video has an impact in stimulating the Christian hate preachers, David Wood and Sam Shamoun into self reflection and ultimately a change of approach on their part - a turning away from hate preaching and misinformation.
James White Condemns Inconsistency, Dishonesty, Lack of Discernment and lack of scholarly approach - David Wood and Sam Shamoun watch out...
A discussion on the Quranic Verses mentioned in the video:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/best-of-deceivers-of-best-of-planners.html
Don't they and other Christians not see they are simply repelling people from their faith and their church? Don't they not stop to think that a well known Christian saying is 'the truth shall set you free' yet they operate out of the boundary of truth? Don't they know this?
It's time for Christians like James White and others to regulate the dishonest amongst their ranks - regardless of whether they are Calvinists, Armenians or whatever. Folk such as Christian hate preachers make the dialogue between Muslims and Christians uneasy and much more difficult.
The truth should be valued. A better quality of dialogue can ensue between Muslims and Christians when Christian leaders (such as pastors, apologists and elders) decide they value the truth enough to weed out the dishonest amongst their ranks
No honest, sincere and decent man could defend the manners, actions and the arguments that these two hate preachers have been espousing over the years. When will fair minded folk within Christian communities speak out? I invite those who would consider themselves fair to speak up - Samuel Green, Nabeel Qureshi, James White, Tony Costa, Bassim Gorial, Mike Licona, Tony Santana, Anthony Rogers, Hogan Elijah Hagbard, Peter Lumpkins, Mary Jo Sharp, Melissa Cain Travis, Samar Goriel, Gary Habermas, C.L. Edwards etc.
Speak up for the truth. The truth is something that does set people free - free from the guilt of dishonesty.
James White wrong about the Ebionites
Nabeel Qureshi called to denounce evangelical hate preachers and supporters
David Wood versus James White
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having dreams and converting to Islam:
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http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/christians-are-having-dreams-and.html
Invitation to Islam
Jesus taught people to do the Will of God (according to Mark 3:35) in order to become his brothers, mothers or sisters. A Muslim means one who submits to the Will of God. Do you want to become a brother/sister of Jesus? If yes, become a Muslim.
Learn about Islam:
http://www.thedeenshow.com
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My Experience With Sam Shamoun Part 2
By
Bassam Zawadi
Sam Shamoun is a real character. He does not behave. He doesn't learn his lesson. After posting my first experience with him on the web http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/Shamouns_bad_character.htm he still has the nerve to continue with the insults and immature behaviour.
From Minoria:
In my case I have sent the following comments to answeringmuslims to see if they get posted(in the part about the Egyptian court sentencing 700 to death).I hope it does,but if it doesnt then one would have to conclude Sam Shamoun and David Wood have no real counter-argument:
"Part 1:
From Minoria:
Though off topic I have noticed that Sam Shamoun,David Wood and Anthony Rogers haven't addressed a topic that Yahya Snow has:that in certain times the God of the Bible has deceived people.
More specifically he deceives evil people.I thought they would address it,either with a counter-argument or saying Yahya was right.
Since in the Koran Allah does the same,deceive evil people, and they attack the Koran for it.I have checked the Biblical verses offered as proof that the God of the Bible does deceive evil people and it is correct."
"Part 2:
From Minoria:
Now the Biblical verses are the following(about God deceiving evil people)(I here copy-paste from somebody's comment):
"Here are just a few passages from the Bible that are strikingly similar to Surah 3:54 and 8:30 of the Qur’an:
Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, (2 Thessalonians 2:11 ESV)
Now therefore behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; the Lord has declared disaster for you.” (1 Kings 22:23 ESV)
And if the prophet is deceived and speaks a word, I, the Lord, have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. (Ezekiel 14:9 ESV)
Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.” (Genesis 11:7 ESV)
Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth. (Genesis 11:9 ESV)
O Lord, you have deceived me, and I was deceived; you are stronger than I, and you have prevailed. I have become a laughingstock all the day; everyone mocks me. (Jeremiah 20:7 ESV)
Lord, confuse the wicked, confound their words, for I see violence and strife in the city. (Psalm 55:9 NIV)
But the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the Lord had spoken to Moses. (Exodus 9:12 ESV)
So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. (Romans 9:18 ESV)."
"Part 3:
From Minoria:
There is the comment by DENIS GIRON.He is a friend of MARK BENNETT(author of answeringabraham.com).Now Giron was a nominal Christian,then became a Muslim,then an atheist,and is now a Christian.Bennett was a Christian,then became an atheist,and is now a Christian again(though still skeptical).
Bennett is aware of the articles and comments in Paul William's blog and there is one by Denis Giron(who agrees that yes,the God of the Bible deceives people,like Allah in the Koran).
IF THE COMMENT WERE NOT BY THE REAL GIRON THEN BENNETT WOULD HAVE SAID SO
But he hasn't,so I believe the real Denis Giron(who writes against Islam),really wrote:
Denis wrote:
"Whatever the case, I would agree that the idea of God leading people astray, according to the Bible, is, at the very least, appropriate for Muslims to bring up in response to accusations from Christians that the Qur’aan depicts God as a deceiver.
2 Corinthians 4:4 might also be relevant, as, while some modern Christians say it is in reference to Satan, what I’ve various Patristic sources give me the impression that the classical Christian position is that the verse is indeed referring to God. In short, it seems that in both Islam and Christianity, there are texts promoting the idea of God leading certain people astray.
Apologists on either side of the divide might try to say under what conditions such happens, or to what sort of people it happens, but that is not a denial of the fact that God does lead some astray."
"Part 4
From Minoria:
In addition,Yahya has several times in several posts cited a book by James White where he agrees with him.If that citation were wrong then Shamoun,Wood and Rogers would have(I assume by logic)a long time ago said so.Here is the passage(I cite another):
"My view on this argument is reinforced by a passage from Dr. James White’s book, What Every Christian Needs to Know About the Qur’an:
“Qur’an 3:54 And they [the disbelievers] schemed, and Allah schemed; and Allah is the best of schemers.
This text is often cited as evidence of some kind of dishonesty on Allah’s part, but the honest reader recognizes that just as God sent a lying spirit into the mouths of false prophets as a means by which He brought just punishment on those who rebelled against Him (1 Kings 22:23),
and just as the New Testament warns those who refuse to love the truth will be caused to love a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:10-11), this text could well be saying that when people scheme against Allah and His ways, they will find Allah significantly better at that activity than they are.” (Page 114)."
From Minoria:
So that ends what I sent.Whether it will appear,who knows,and whether they will answer with an article,who knows.But if nothing happens at all then one would have to conclude that in this case Shamoun,Wood and Rogers have no answers and are wrong.So what kind of Christians are they?
@Minoria
I pray you are well.
Thanks for the interest in this topic. I am compelled to mention that Shamoun and /wood have been censoring at least one person on this subject. They just don't have an argument to defend themselves.
I urge them to admit to their errors, retract their misinformation and apologise as well as ask Allah for forgiveness.
Minoria, feel free to check the following link to continue your studies in Islam:
http://www.whyislam.org/
I salute you for thinking for yourself and removing yourself from David and Sam.
From Minoria:
Hello Yahya:
It is clear they are wrong regarding that argument,as far as I can conclude from the evidence I have seen.One has to be as logical regarding the details of that argument,and they haven't done it.
I think it is an emotional thing with them.They can't admit the Bile actually says the God deceives,even if it is only the evil people.I don;t see any other explanation.
@minoria
May Allah bless You and guide you.
More amazingly, after abusing Sami — who never abused or insulted Shamoun, even in the mails — to his heart’s delight, abusing his mother, mocking and insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammed (P), and using all the sneers, slurs, malices and insults he could muster, Shamoun turns around and says to Sami, “Boy you gotta be steaming mad …” Clearly, something is very, very wrong with this person and it is most likely that he is mentally unstable. People facing psychological and other mental problems often give into self-deception and falsely accuse others of having their own personal traits and carrying out their own conduct.
Imagine all this abuse coming from one who is supposed to be a missionary and an evangelist, whose purpose in life is to “spread” Christianity and bring Muslims – whom he, as we all know by now, hates to death – to “the Gospel”! Is he doing a “service” for Christianity with his chaotic behaviour or disgracing his own people and religion? You decide.
More amazingly, after abusing Sami — who never abused or insulted Shamoun, even in the mails — to his heart’s delight, abusing his mother, mocking and insulting Islam and Prophet Muhammed (P), and using all the sneers, slurs, malices and insults he could muster, Shamoun turns around and says to Sami, “Boy you gotta be steaming mad …” Clearly, something is very, very wrong with this person and it is most likely that he is mentally unstable. People facing psychological and other mental problems often give into self-deception and falsely accuse others of having their own personal traits and carrying out their own conduct.
Imagine all this abuse coming from one who is supposed to be a missionary and an evangelist, whose purpose in life is to “spread” Christianity and bring Muslims – whom he, as we all know by now, hates to death – to “the Gospel”! Is he doing a “service” for Christianity with his chaotic behaviour or disgracing his own people and religion? You decide.
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