Friday, 30 July 2010

Answering Islam Challenged to a Debate (Sam Shamoun)

A DEBATE CHALLENGE

Well, here it is; a debate challenge for Sam Shamoun. I guess Muslims could not take any more lies from Sam Shamoun and his colleagues. So Sam Shamoun (answeringislam) is called out to defend one of his latest lies. (This will be a regular theme from now on in)

My money is on Sam shamoun running to the hills for cover. Sam likes to pretend everybody is afraid of debating him; it is not the case - most ppeople don't take him seriously; this is the reason why people circumnavigate his empty debate challenges

Well Sam here is the challenge...



Video is from Beholderguard (not Yahya snow). Beholder Guard is well known for taking anti-Muslim trolls to task on YouTube. I guess he felt Sam Shamoun fit the bill of an anti-Muslim troll.

PS...for those hardcore followers of Shamoun (ie those who offer him financial aid to encourage his abusive ways): Sam Shamoun has BLOCKED BeholderGuard...I guess your Islamophobic "hero" is a little disconcerted.
To coin Shamoun's saying:

"How do your shoes feel", Sam?

Your move, Sam. BeholderGuard is waiting for you :)
PS...Sam, please focus on your debate with Jibreelk (ongoing YT debate which Sam is really struggling in) and please focus on BeholderGuard's debate challenge. That means you should stop sending myself (yahya snow) debate challenges; you have your hands well and truly full with Beholder Guard and Jibreelk.

Christians: PLEASE stop supporting people who are insincere and who lack regard for honesty. If you want to learn about Islam then learn from a serious Muslim and not from a dishonest anti-Muslim website. Jesus NEVER taught you to follow such people...think about it. Thanks

More info on Sam Shamoun:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Sam%20Shamoun

Shamoun's immature claim of "black stone lickers" is refuted here:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Black%20Stone



Those who want to learn about Islam please view:
http://www.islamdunktv.com/

If you have further info please send it to: yahyasnow@hotmail.com

UPDATE: BeholderGuard makes ANOTHER video chasing Shamoun. I guess Sam knows he cannot defend the indefensible:




***Nadir Ahmed Troubles Sam Shamoun***http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/09/nadir-ahmed-rattles-sam-shamoun-alcohol.html

26 comments:

Anonymous said...

It is pointless debating people who already have their (narrow) minds made up about Islam. As Allah says in the Quran, even if all signs are shown to them they will still not believe. Shamoun happens to be one such person. You may refute one lie of his, only for him to come up with another lie. Let us no longer entertain this attention seeking bigot. Let us leave his matter to Allah.

Yahya Snow said...

I'm forming a similar view...anon.

Anonymousing said...

This BeholderGuard doesnt even say WHAT type of debate? Is it another crapola you-tube vido slinging debate where anyone can take something you say out of context and build straw mans?

OR DOES HE WANT TO DEBATE IN LIVE WHERE HIS WORDS CAN BE RECORDED AND EVERYONE CAN HEAR HIS LOGIC WHEN PUT TO THE TEST?

LIKE SAM WANTS TO DO WITH YOU AND JEBREEL BUT YOU KEEP RUNNING TO YOUTUEB...IT AMAZES ME THAT YOU GUYS SAY "WE WILL NOT DEAL WITH PEOPLE LIKE THAT" BUT HERE YOU ARE!!! WASTING ALL YOUR TIME DEALING WITH THEM AND HIDING BEHIND YOUTUBE! BRAVO! MAYBE YOU JUST CANT DEAL WITH THEM IN REALTIME?

Anonymousing said...

Yahya,

What do you mean Sam is struggling in that youtube debate with Jebreel? Jebreel hasnt even offered one single argument or refutation to Kieths videos yet but sam is already struggling? More embellishments and exaggerations yahya?

....soooo how is Sam struggling?

And Yahya, according to your black rock article Muslims DO KISS the black rock, SO? I just ask...is it a open mouthed kiss Yahya? Hope not...

And didnt Shamoun ask YOU and JEBREEL to do a LIVE debate like a week ago? Seems to me the ball was in your court, and this lame you-tube challenge was your move...

tsk tsk...

Yahya Snow said...

anonymous...Jibreel JUST last night/early morning produced a 40min response video in which he refuted Sam's claims

Please go and see it

I believe you must have missed it...otherwise you would not have made such a comment

Anon...in my article I do say Muslims kiss the stone...kissing is NOT licking


Peace

Jerry said...

Are these all false? The mullah said it not me.

I recently rounded up a bunch of questions and answers from this Islam Q & A site. The answers from the Mullah were ridiculous. And not to mention hilarious. Everything from authorized sex with slave girls to drinking camel urine.

http://doodiepants.com/2010/06/22/questions-and-answers-from-islam-qa-com-part-1/

The best thing is.......it's all true and straight from the horses mouth.

Anonymousing said...

YAHYA

what in the world are you talking about?

can you provide me a link to this 40 minute youtube video because all i found was some 40 second video showing sams article and this video which is hardly any form or attempt at refutation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfd2iD2cizI

Anonymousing said...

OK yahya,

i just spent some time searching over jebreels channel...i cant find any sort of 40 minute refutation to the Vids Keith put out...

but i did see a VIDEO where JEBREEL says, QUOTE:

IM WILLING TO DISCUSS ANYTIME WITH SAM SHAMOUN. IF ANYONE COULD EVER MODERATE BETWEEN ME AND SAM SHAMOUN I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS

Yah like SAM says: PUT UP OR SHUT UP!

Doesnt matter if he said it 100 years ago, this jebreel made a claim to LIVE debate and after two years, when he made enough stink for Sam to actually NOTICE him, NOW he doesnt want to debate live!! he runs to youtube. cmon cmon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVeYiSOxc_c

so yahya can you give me a link to this 40 minute video refuting the vids Keith put out?

thanks...

mkvine said...

I hope beholderguard is talking about a LIVE debate.

Yahya Snow said...

anonymousing

Here is his 40min video refuting Shamoun's claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUeByFlz9aA

Peace

Yahya Snow said...

mkvine

It does not matter what type of debate he is after...it will only take 5mins

Shamoun made the claim up

In any case...I doubt Shamoun will accept Beholder's challenge

Anonymous said...

I wonder if shamoun will turn to the "holy umbilical cord" for help in this one

mkvine said...

Yahya,

Knowing that Sam has been asking for a live debate for a long time now, and knowing that someone is finally taking up his challenge, its only natural to ask if Beholder is referring to a live debate. So given that, I am assuming that its going to be a live debate (regardless of time length).

Yahya Snow said...

mkvine

Beholder can do both live and YT debates.

Why is Sam so quiet?...he normally loves the smell of debate challenges

Hmmm...

Peace

mkvine said...

Yahya,

I asked Beholder what kind of debate he wants to do and he said he has no preference, so thanks for that. In regards to Sam being "quiet" that is not true. Go to his Youtube Channel where he says that he wants BeholderGuard to call in the live ABN show. I'm sure they can set up the debate if BeholderGuard is willing to call or they can even have the whole show dedicated to him, who knows?

Peace

Yahya Snow said...

mkvine

Ahh...thanks, I just saw Sam has made a very recent comment about the debate..I guess he could not remain quiet forever :)

I'm in contact with beholde and he told me via private message he will NOT call the show

Thus it will have to be paltalk

I plan to get back to Beholder and he and I will thrash out a time and date for the debate:

"Are Muslims Black Stone Lickers".

Ask Sam if he has any preferences over a time on Paltalk and get back to us

PS...Sam HAS been blocked beholder and beholder would like to be unblocked.

Yahya Snow said...

mkvine

I have just sent an email to Beholder for a time and date

I have also double checked to see if he still has paltalk...if not he can re-download it

Remember...the debate topic is "are Muslims black stone lickers"

I doubt Sam will accept..becuase Sam knows he made his claim up

Yahya Snow said...

PS, mnkvine

Please tell Sam to stop insulting Beholder

Sam is simply looking immature in doing so

Thanks

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

I guess the real question is not about us licking some black stone but the real question is was Christ Jesus licked by his disciples?

Matthew 8:2 - A leper came and licked Jesus. [9:18; 15:25; Mark 5:6]

Matthew 14:33 - After Jesus had calmed the storm, the disciples together licked Jesus saying He was the Son of God.


John 9:38 - The man said he believed, and he licked Jesus.

Matthew 28:9,17 - His disciples together licked Him.

Luke 24:52 - And they together licked, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

The Greek word here is proskuneo
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master's hand)

http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4352

Look! Christians are trying to cover up that Jesus was flavorsome to his followers!

I mean how silly does one want to be.....welcome to the twilight zone a place where SS dwells.

Ali said...

LOL nice verses there grandverbaliser. i never seen those before!

Anonymousing said...

I wonder what would happen if we were to .... REDACT the Quran...

hmmm.....

Yahya Snow said...

anonymous

I'm not too sure who was using redaction methodolgies to critique the Bible on this forum.

However, redaction of the Bible is reaonable and scholarly.

In fact it is edifying, even Christians can recognise this.

Of course, the reason why redaction is suitable for the bible is due to the biblical books having a number of authors. Thus a number of individuals presenting their own ideas.

The perfect case in point would be 4 accounts passion narratives which all differ (and even inculde contradictions) and the edits by the copyists (ie last 12 verses of Mark/John 53-8:11) thus this method is a reasonable and scholarly method when dealing with the Bible.

However, the Quran does not have multiple authors...it only has ONE Author (God).

The fact the Quran does not have numerous authors, human authors and editors renders redaction as unsuitable when it comes to the Quran.

The Quran by its very nature is not going to have different accounts by different people.

The better question to ask would be; is this type of scrutiny beneficial for our understanidng of the Bible?

YES!!!

Careful scholarship and analysis when it comes to such an amalgamation of texts (the bible) has increased our understanding of the book massively

Think about it, without real scrutiny of the Bible people would still consider the authors of the Gospels to be disciples of Jesus and people would be oblivious to the passages (forgeries) simply inserted into the text by scribes.

We would also be in the dark of other gospels which were rejected and excluded from the bible in favour of the four we have today. We would also be unaware of the dubious nature of the Gospel of John; essentially the "quotes" of Jesus within the said Gospel are not quotes...we would have missed all this.

We would have missed the two source hypothesis and the theoretical existence of a sayings Gospel (Q)

People would give GOOOOOOD money to have the sayings Gospels in their hands today...it would clear up much confusion within the church...I'd imagine it would be the source of its collapse...where is Q?

Nobody knows :(

Conservatives may dismiss it as only being theoretical but the evidence points to it having existed at one point.

Give us the original Gospel of Baranabas...a gospel which would be more weightier than all the NT imo

anonymousing...how about you pull out an orignal proto-gospel or a complete gospel of mary

anonymousing...ask a stupid question...get a longish answer :)

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

Anonymousing said...
"I wonder what would happen if we were to .... REDACT the Quran...

hmmm....."

Well let's stop wondering and let's just do it! What theories or postulations do you want to put forward?

I do understand and respect Christians who want Muslims to use consistent standards and have consistent platforms but I'm personally sick and tired of all the cry babies.

We can't help it that sincere Christians in Tubingen University started to find what they perceived to be problems in their faith tradition and inadvertently turned on the faith. That's not our fault.

I hope people read Ibn Warraq's why I am not a Muslim and that girl from Somalia because they should be curious and explore the reasons why people believe or do not believe.

The problem is every time we start to use someone you people recommend to us than there is some shuffling on your behalf. Watch the recent debate between Shabir Ally and James White and as soon as White ask Shabir about using FF Bruce and Shabir also mentions FF differs with James on issues than James is taken a back.

I mean we can never win with you people isn't it?

You know what I would love to see? I would love to see a repository online that Christians come together and agree that these are their scholars and their sources and they only accept critique from said list....but I have a feeling that we would be waiting until hell froze over!

Ali said...

thegrandverbalizer who are those christians from that university you mentioned?
and i think ayaan hirsi ali is from sudan. not that it matters. but did you know she turned down a debate from a muslim women? what you call a huckster (many, especially christians i.e robert spencer and dove outreach ministries are known to be them).

Ali said...

i also find it strange that ayaan hirsi says women in islam are oppressed by their fathers and brothers, yet ayaan's own father objected to female genital mutilation which is a topic she barks about being related to islam and all. so it's obvious these hucksters contradict and shoot themselves in the foot eventually, all on their own.

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