Friday, 16 July 2010

Sam Shamoun is Insulting AGAIN: Untangling Sam Shamoun and JibreelK

One thing is for certain, Sam Shamoun has not changed..."leopard" and "spots" come to mind

It appears an interaction between a well-liked Muslim on YouTube, JibreelK, and Sam Shamoun has descended into chaos thanks to Sam Shamoun’s inability to stick to the topic in hand and his propensity to use an abrasive style characterized by insults and rise-seeking.

Quick Summary

For background information see (and JibreelK’s subsequent videos):
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JibreelK#p/u/49/ksT0b5MmddM


My intention is not to wade into the discussion but help refocus the discussion to Shamoun’s initial comments related to John 3:16. Sam Shamoun made an odd claim, he claimed quoting from John 3:16 in Arabic proves Allah is Satan. Jibreel has been asking for proof for this claim from Shamoun ever since:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JibreelK#p/u/48/_HRjC81EtPw


One of my other intentions here is to bring Sam Shamoun's shoddy manners to attention, yet again, in order to help Christians realise this man to be somebody who is motivated by hatred rather than the Church, why support someody of this nature in a monetary way or in any other way?

Sam Shamoun has been shifting the topic and has not provided and proof for his claim. Sam if you simply mis-spoke then let us know, don’t allow your ego to get the better of you


Shamoun seems to be changing topic and straying into different avenues whilst JibreelK wants a systematic discussion which takes ones point at a time – JibreelK’s style is more suited to the truth-seeker thus Shamoun should relent and enter into an analytical YouTube dialogue where each point can be judged in a time-honoured fashion. Quite simply put; Sam Shamoun should leave the games and ego at the door and enter a genuine back and forth dialogue (one topic at a time) on YouTube with JibreelK.

Note: JibreelK has EVEN given Sam Shamoun a tutorial on how to produce a video for YouTube as Sam claimed he did not know how to make videos. This was a little hard to digest for myself as Sam Shamoun runs a website, operates a microphone on a chat service named Pal Talk and has had a fancy new laptop bought for him by Nabeel Qureshi and David Wood.

Jibreel’s tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/user/JibreelK#p/a/u/0/l92JKguV4cQ



Sam Shamoun: Chaos and Insults

So I recently popped over to Shamoun’s comment board (on his YouTube account (shamounian) and saw a “conversation” between JibreelK and Sam Shamoun. Well to be accurate it was a couple of comments from Jibreel and then an abrasive shower of venomous comments which formed Sam Shamoun’s monologue. Jibreel's comments are in green italics whilst Sam Shamoun's are in purple italics. My (Yahya Snow) comments are interjected between comments.

Jibreel’s Opening Gambit

Jibreel writes:

salamo aleikum my dear brother
Sam and David have disengaged with anyone that can put sticks in the wheels of their dawa. They only pray on ignorant and weak, and they can only work when they control the mic. Check my history with them. Now I gave them more than a month to reply to THE ALLAH IS SATAN challenge that they have made, no reply yet. I will add to your challenge and post this message on their site.


NOTE: He is referring to David Wood when he mentions “David”:
Jibreel’s refutation of David Wood:
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JibreelK#p/u/17/oEGXBnScF4c


One month is some time Jibreel, perhaps they have no intention to respond (i.e. theirs was a hit and run attack, time will tell). My response to David Wood on honour killings is gathering dust, yet there is STILL no response from Acts17:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86RbtGugtnE



Jibreel also writes:

hello Sam, I gave you enough time, I focused on other things but now we have to get back to it. Let's try with more respect on your side right now.
Did you post the link to my video in your articles yet? You did say you would. Please let me know.
Also please do post my 2 comments.
Thank you



(Notice Jibreel is uber-polite. This is the way to conduct discussion)

Now Sam Shamoun enters the scene and it changes the atmosphere, Shamoun writes:

But don't worry I will get to your barking and shut it once and for all. I swear to your Allah that I will expose you and him, so please be patient since your humiliation will come just like the rest of the Muslim terrorists and dawagandists that have run their mouth. In the meantime do what you do best and keep shouting since that it is what your false prophet did also whenever he got exposed and humiliated.

“Barking”, is Shamoun serious? Is this the way to respond to a legitimate inquiry from Jibreel. Note: Jibreel has a reputation and history of respect and courtesy in dialogue.
Sam claimed he will expose Allah, he has been trying for years and has not, what makes him think he will manage to do the impossible this year? I would like him to open up the Arabic Bible and realise the word “Allah” is used for God in the Arabic Bible.

Note Sam also says “I swear to your Allah”. Well, Sam recently you claimed Allah is Satan so are you seriously telling us you are willing to swearing to Satan? Think before you make odd proclamations, Sam.

Note Sam’s appended adjective to Prophet Muhammad, he says “false”. Well, Sam can you prove Muhammed to be a false Prophet? I have seen missionary work on Prophet Muhammed and you have not proven him to be false, so your choice of adjective seems to be something to reassure YOURSELF, perhaps you regularly have thoughts entering your mind suggesting Muhammed is a true messenger of God. I have read work by WM Watt and he likened Muhammed with an Old Testament Prophet. A conversation with a vicar, on my part, led to the vicar proclaiming Muhammed to be a PROPHET OF GOD. The natural question is, what in the world is a leader of a Church doing believing in Muhammed as a Prophet, perhaps the answer is “intellectual honesty”…you just can’t disprove his Prophethood.

Simply calling him “false” will not disprove his Prophethood but will merely outline the emptiness in your argumentation and inner-being.

Child of Satan?

Jibreel, I haven't forgotten your stupidity but since you don't have the courage to debate your claims and defend the honor of your false prophet, one of the antichrists that the Bible warned against, I am in no rush to write articles and produce videos to expose you. The last time I wrote an article you produced some of the stupidest replies that only further demonstrated you cannot produce a logical response you set aside logic and reasoning the moment you embraced your false prophet. Even Nakdimon didn't bother wasting times replying because he saw how stupid your replies are and you are a complete waste.

Accusing somebody of stupidity hardly strengthens your position. Careful argumentation is what Jibreel trades with not indults; Sam you should think about that.

Again, Sam Shamoun says “false”. We have already discussed this, this time he claims the Bible warns against Muhammed? Proof?
Sam, please do not speak without evidence.

Sam, a word of advice; try writing in a less abrasive manner. You are coming off as the poorer relation when compared to Jibreel in the department of etiquette; does this not worry you? After all you do claim to have the Holy Spirit within you whilst Muslims are children of Satan (according to you), yet a Muslim seems to be a lot nicer than you. Food for thought, who exactly is the child of Satan here?


Shamoun continues

JibreelK, since you came here barking let me ask you a question I asked awhile back so I can resume my intention of making you the laughing stock of serious students of truth and reasoning. Did the Meccans of Muhammad's day know that their god Allah was the God of Abraham and Ishmael? Yes or not. I awit your answer so I can begin exposing you and your false prophet.

Oral tradition teaches us Abraham and Ishmael worshipped Allah see Arraheequl Makhtoum. WM Watt teaches us the name Allah is similar to the Greek construction “ho-theos”. So Sam, please don’t try and repeat the “moon-god” idea or the idea Allah is a new “god”. None of those claims hold water see:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/Allah%20is%20Not%20a%20Moon%20God



BTW Jibreel, in light of your slander against David and me, even though I have BEGGED YOU TO CALL IN THE SHOW AND DEBATE EITHER OF US, your words seem quite prophetic since you are one of the weak and ignorant illiterates that I prey on. Prove me wrong by backing up your bark with some bite. Stop being the coward that you are and take a stand for the honor of your prophet and call in the show where we will see if you can last more than five minutes. Shame on you for not calling in a show and defend the honor of your prophet, especially when begged to do so. Would your false prophet have run like you? I guess he would.

“Slander” Where was the slander? We all missed it Sam
Sam continues with the dog references (bark, bite)
Again, Sam uses the word “false” to describe the Prophet, Sam proof?

Why should JibreelK call your show? He can get his message out on YouTube, where he has longer to talk and not just a flimsy few minutes with aggressive interjections from Sam Shamoun. YouTube is a better deal for Jibreel, it is free too. I’m not sure if Sam’s pals make money through calls on ABN but I do know Sam gets more than enough financial help, they raised £2000 for his new PC!

Sam, previously asked me to call the show on John 1, I did better, I produced blog articles and YT videos and Christians began to question Sam Shamoun:
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/2010/02/yahya-snow-vs-sam-shamoun-on-john1-119.html



JibreelK Re-enters

sam you cant be a man can you. stop insulting and produce some evidence. we have been waiting for over two months.
you dont make the rules man wiht your questions. again debate tactics is all you have, but no knowledge.
you don't ask me questions, first you answer our current discussion. you did not prove Allah to be satan yet.
link my videos to your article if you are a man. you did not do that yet. let your followers see it. you are loosing them one by one day by day.
stop talking trash and show some substance. your ego has got you pinned.
post my videos on yoru answering islam web site, post my work and show everyone how you are getting smoked.
watch my next video - its my turn now to throw as you threw first (allah being satan) and missed by miles
bye bye


JibreelK tries to get Sam to refocus on the first claim and prove his claim. Shamoun has refused to do so for months, why?

It seems as though Sam Shamoun does not want his readers to view Jibreel’s material, why is that? I also find it pertinent to mention the word “ego”. JibreelK links Ego to Sam’s actions. I have been of the opinion of Shamoun being a man run by ego for some time, it appears others hold this view.

Shamoun Irrelevant

In the meantime, let me get the ball rolling by repeating my question which you conveniently avoided answering. Did the Meccans who lived at the time of your false prophet know that their god Allah whom they worshiped was the God of Abraham and Ishmael their ancestor? Please answer me this time before you run away to produce another stupid reply which will only end up exposing you and your false prophet.


This was a discussion about John 3:16. What is the relevance of Shamoun’s question? Why does Shamoun care what pre-Islamic Meccans believed? They had a pantheon of gods (polytheism) prior to Islamic monotheism, however prior to their slide into polytheism they were on the same monotheism as Abraham, see Arraheequl-Makhtoum.

Again, Shamoun comes out with the “false” claim. Proof?

Macho Sam Shamoun and Debate Challenges

But we all know you are a coward who doesn't love Muhammad enough to take a stand for him. Therefore, like I said child, I will expose you like I did in my article BUT IN MY OWN TIME. I am not your dhimmi so I do not work according to your timetable. So keep barking like you have been doing. I will, by God's grace, muzzle you in due time.

JibreelK has been involved in apologetics and dawah (propagation) for at least a couple of years (evidenced via YouTube) so to claim he doesn’t stand up and refute attacks against Islam and Prophet Muhammed is silly. Sam, there are more avenues in apologetics than calls to your show and shoddy Pal Talk debates. Sam, who is afraid? Here is JibreelK refuting you on the claims (you and your colleagues make) about Muhammed treating his wife (Sawda) badly (8 video series):
http://www.youtube.com/user/JibreelK#p/c/641B05B998FF1A9E/7/Hym6olThnQE




So because of your mouth I will issue this public challenge and have it posted in the next updates for all to see. In my open challenge not only will I link to your YouTube page I will also ask the readers to put pressure on you and demand that you be a man and step up to defend your prophet's honor. So thanks for running your mouth since we will all see who's ego is got who pinned! And you can throw all you want since, like Allah and his false messenger, you will miss the target everytime. That's what happens when you defend a false prophet and a god who is actually Satan masquerading as God.


Sam is getting repetitive and increasing his level of insult. Bizarrely enough, he calls Allah Satan again. Proof?

Has he also forgotten his earlier oath by ALLAH? Sam Shamoun’s actions prove he disagrees with what he wrote here unless he has amnesia or is self-contradictory. PS, the odd claim of Allah being Satan has a sister claim which is addressed here (is Quran from Satan):
http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.com/search/label/The%20Quran%20is%20not%20from%20Satan



In fact, because of your mouth I am going to issue a challenge on my website to debate me on the show, calling you to step up and defend your false prophet. I am going to expose you for all to see. I am going to challenge you to debate whether your god is Satan, to defend your pathetic video replies to your prophet's mistreatment of Sawda, and to debate whether your prophet was from God or an antichrist. In this way all the readers will see the truth about you, that you can only hide behind videos but will never have a live exchange to see how far you get with such

Note, he claims Jibreel’s videos on Sawda are “pathetic”, this is customary empty rhetoric from Shamoun as he has NOT even refuted these videos.

Shamoun Shouting

So here is my challenge to you once again: CALL IN THE SHOW SO WE CAN HAVE A DEBATE WHERE YOU DON'T AVOID ADDRESSING THE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS BY PRODUCING REPLIES THAT DISTORT THE POINTS BEING RAISED AGAINST YOUR PROPHET AND YOU. I AM CHALLENGING YOU TO COME TO THE HONOR OF YOUR PROPHET. I know you don't love your false prophet that much to defend his honor. You are more interesting in saving your reputation SINCE YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL DO TO YOU IF YOU TRY TO USE SUCH PATHETIC, DISGRACEFUL ARGUMENTS.

Shamoun just repeats what he has said before but starts shouting it. Careful Sam, don’t whip yourself into frenzy. Remember what happened a few days ago when you lost control in Pal Talk and went berserk? Here is the audio of Shamoun’s tirade of abuse:
http://yahyasnow.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/christian-missionary-goes-berserk/



Sam Shamoun Calms Down But Starts Lying

However, here is your chance to prove to your fellow pagan and black stone-lickers that masquerade as monotheists that you are not ashamed of your prophet and have the intellect to defend your faith by not running away at the chance of defending this antichrist which the NT warned against when challenged to do so.

Sam, the onus of proof is on you. You are making this “black-stone-licking” claim. Prove it. Why should Jibreel have to disprove it? However Jibreel discusses your wind-up here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyJMwgHgRI


But deep down inside you knew I disgraced you which is why you never bothered producing a link to my article until I called you out for it. You then whined and made excuses why you failed to mention any link to my article. That's what cowards do when they get caught. Face it, you are a mental kid whom I would humiliate in a public debate with cross examination AND YOU KNOW IT which is why you make excuses to avoid debating me


Sam, have you linked to JibreelK’s videos? :)

Sam you are NOT this super debater you make yourself out to be. You shall see this if you come on to YouTube, there are numerous brothers and sisters who are knowledgeable in Islam and apologetics and they are the reason why your brother (Christian Prince) is not taken seriously anymore, quite simply YouTube is the graveyard for shoddy missionaries.

It is time for you to leave Pal Talk and enter real dialogue on YouTube, you are in your 40s yet have never subjected your claims to the rigours of Muslim YouTube scrutiny, why?


Take, for instance, your reply to my article proving that your god is Satan according to the very New Testament you abused to prove otherwise. Not only did I prove that your god is Satan according to the New Testament but even went so far as to prove that your god is Zeus according to your own logic. The sad fact is that my arguments went way over your head which is why you actually think that I didn't prove that your Allah is Satan or that you somehow managed to refute me! Talk about being a sad case.

“Zeus”?
Jibreel responded to this comment here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyJMwgHgRI



The sad thing is that I know you have no courage when it comes to defending the honor of your prophet since if you did you would be a man and call in the show to defend his honor. What makes this even sadder is that I have repeatedly challenged the honor of your prophet and BEGGED you to call in the show to be a man and step up to defend him. What do you do? You cower away and hide behind your pathetic YouTube replies which you THINK refute my arguments, when in reality they only expose that you cannot comprehend the points being raised against your false prophet and religion.


Sam thinks his show is the be-all and end-all. Sam, wake up, there are other avenues of dialogue. I would not be surprised if JibreelK’s YT videos receive more views than this “show” Sam keeps banging on about. Sam gets more and more repetitive, he shows himself to be a one-trick pony; that trick being that of a wind up.

Sam cranks the insults up a few notches


JibreelK, I understand that as a Muslim you seek to imitate the sunna which explains why you are not capable of understanding anything you read or listen to since you want be an ummi like your prophet. I told you that your stuff is garbage, your arguments are pathetic, and that you are a waste of time. However, because you are a lying repulsive, disgusting human being and a Muslim terrorist who likes to harass Christians (like the one in Africa), much like your false prophet use to do, I promise to expose you and your religion for what you are, BUT IN MY OWN TIME.


Wow, this “missionary” is whipping himself into a new frenzy of hatred. He has a few notches to go on his wind up panel. Sam, lets be blunt, sounds immature, he really does.

As for Jibreel harassing Christians? Care to show proof, Sam? I did not think so.

Sam, Are You Now Working For The Cash?

Note his last statement:

“I promise to expose you and your religion for what you are, BUT IN MY OWN TIME”

Erm, Sam, you have had 40 years to “expose” Islam, you have not managed to do that. Sam you have been on the internet, for many years, talking a big game and making grandiose claims yet you have never managed to prove Islam to be wrong. Is this not a sign that Islam is the truth?

Sam, this may be a nice little earner for you but are you being intellectually honest now, Sam? You have expended so much time and energy into trying to disprove Islam yet never managed it and you’re STILL trying. If Islam was so “pathetic” then you would not need more than 40 years to disprove it.


Conclusion

JibreelK is serious in refocusing the discussion and having a genuine DIALOGUE which aids the truth-seeker, can we say the same for Sam? If Sam is serious then he will be entering a YouTube discussion with JibreelK on the John 3:16 issue and staying on topic (i.e. taking it one topic at a time). Is Mr Courageous (Sam Shamoun) brave enough for YouTube?

As for manners, if we compare Jibreel’s demeanour and style we can see somebody who is a brother of Jesus (Mark 3:35) whilst Sam Shamoun’s behaviour is far from a brother of Jesus, in fact, I commented on Shamoun’s last tirade of abuse and described him as sounding “satanic”. Sam needs to rethink his mannerisms.

I would also like Christians to think about whom they donate their cash to, there are many insincere people out there acting under the false pretence of the Gospel in order to forge an avenue for hatred and financial irregularities.

JibreelK dodges Shamoun's insults whilst Sam Shamoun dodges Jibreel's arguments

Jibreel’s YouTube page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/JibreelK

Contact: yahyasnow@hotmail.com

Appendix:

There are eight videos JibreelK’s video series dealing with the alleged mistreatment of Sauda, here is the first of eight, for the others search through Jibreel’s vids on his YT page:

http://www.youtube.com/user/JibreelK#p/c/641B05B998FF1A9E

21 comments:

Lupus el Lobo said...

Dear brother Yahya

I think I know why Sam is so hateful towards muslims. I guess his originally from Syria or Lebanon. Where I live there are a lot of christian immigrants from that part of the world and there are a few of them who due to conflicts in their homelands are very hateful towards Muslims.
Instead of going back to his homeland and settle the score there, he has chosen the coward approach of expressing his hate towards muslims in a context in which he feels safe.

Yahya what do you think about my humble theory?

Your brother in islam,
Lupus

Yahya Snow said...

Brother Lupus,

Yes, I have been thinking on the same lines for a while my friend.
Though Shamoun is of Assyrian stock and emigrated from Kuwait the principle behind your theory still stands; that of Shamoun and his family being treated harshly in a Muslim country (unfortunately) and this has had a negative impact on his psyche when it comes to his dealings with Muslims.

Yes, he is expressing his hatred in a cowardly manner - effectively from behind a keyboard!

When he is with a Muslim in person he some how loses his customary gusto on the net

You know, somebody should make mention of this theroy (which I do believe holds water) to Sam Shamoun in order to help him realise why he loses control when talking to Muslims.

Thanks Lupus

May Allah bless you further. Ameen

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

Brother Yahya I was just watching the some of the video footage that Acts 17 released about their arrest here: http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/07/nabeel-qureshi-and-paul-rezkalla.html

Some things that caught my attention were the following.

Notice that when Nabeel was arrested he doesn't seem shocked. As an American any red blooded American would be demanding off the top of their lungs 'Whats going on why am I being arrested?'.

Yet Nabeel has a question about his microphone being taken? Seems to me that someone was not the least bit surprised about being arrested.

So the question still comes into play where they violating the local agreed upon parameters of engagement as defined by the city council for such an event.

The other thing that is strange is the mention that one of their colleges was arrested 15 minutes prior to their own arrest.

Doesn't seem that it would take the police 15 whole minutes to go from Negeen to David. Notice as well in the 2nd video that they posted at 5:07 one of the officers said, 'this is what they are doing'.

3rd do we have any way of knowing that David and Nabeel actually released all the relevant footage or do we have to take their word for it?

And lastly, is David and Nabeel trying to throw a curve ball at their audience please note that under the last two blog entries they have put the following...

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

continued from above,

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his or her liberty HAS THE SAME RIGHT TO USE FORCE IN DEFENDING HIM OR HERSLF AS SHE WOULD IN REPELLING ANY OTHER ASSAULT AND BATTERY.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to RESIST AN UNLAWFUL ARREST. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer AND MAY BE RESISTED BY USE OF FORCE, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

“ONE MAY COME TO THE AID OF ANOTHER BEING UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

This seems to indicate to me that there is very HUGE piece to this story that they are hiding. Maybe they could clarify why they would feel the pressing need to post those three legal verdicts under both video releases? (the footage that they have released I should say)

time will tell.

Anonymousing said...

Well, Grand...

you said: as well in the 2nd video that they posted at 5:07 one of the officers said, 'this is what they are doing'.

Watch it one more time my man, your getting your facts wrong. the person who says "this is what they are doing" is the Muslim boy standing behind the cop, not the cop (a lot has already been written concerning this boy, and the girl who lead the cops to Nageen). The cop does follow the Muslim boys lead and does say immediately to Nageen, "this is what you have to do"! The cops seem to be playing an Islamic version of Simon says.

And one reason why they would present those legal verdicts is because a) wrongful arrest b)Muslim newspapers and blogs have been literally saying that David and Nabeel were ASSULTING Muslims! Yah! I cant believe it either man!

Here is a quote from a "news" organization called Muslim Media Network:

a group called Acts 17 Apologetics, who with video cameras assaulted Muslims

Wow, talk about propaganda...and that was dated June 24, so basically The Dearborn 4 was already condemned by Muslims worldwide.

When did calmly talking to people become assault?

Lupus el Lobo said...

Anonymous wrote:

When did calmly talking to people become assault?

You defend their actions on the basis of what muslims have said. What muslims say or don't say in this matter is irrelevant to the case at hand. However, I must stress that no one should engage in slander.
I'm not familiar with the specific charges made against the four. My guess is that they were arrested for disorderly conduct. I'm not familiar with Michigan state law but my guess is that if that is the formal charge then, the prosecutor has a good chance of winning the case.
According to Wiki a general defintion of disorderly conduct is:
"Police may use a disorderly conduct charge to keep the peace when people are behaving in a disruptive manner to themselves or others, but present no serious public danger"

I think that this describes quite well what the four were doing at the festival and why the police saw fit to arrest them.
Actually, have the four disclosed the formal charges? Or are they pretending that they were charged with something which has no basis in the state law?

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

Anonymousing seems to have a penchant for exaggeration.

Anoymousing

And one reason why they would present those legal verdicts is because a) wrongful arrest b)Muslim NEWSPAPERS and BLOGS have been LITERALLY saying that David and Nabeel were ASSULTING Muslims! Yah! I cant believe it either man

Anonymousing could you give us a link to the quote? Also you said Muslim newspaper(S) plural and BLOG(s) plural.

This seems to indicate that you have some list. I would be quite interested in seeing this list.

You also said,

Wow, talk about propaganda...and that was dated June 24, so basically The Dearborn 4 was already condemned by Muslims WORLDWIDE.

What do you mean worldwide? In Brunei? In Kazakhstan? in Bahrain? In Albania perhaps? Mali? Tanzania? Maldives?

On what basis do you say 'world wide' or do you feel that it's healthy to embellish claims?

Guess what I didn't notice. I didn't notice in NONE OF THE FOOTAGE that Yahya, or Nabeel or David produced that Muslims were 'shouting Allahu Akbar' or as it was latter changed to 'chanting Allahu Akbar'.

I would be interested to see this claim just to make sure that neither side are making embellished claims to fuel animosity in the post 9-11 world.

AnonyMousing said...

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/07/more-lies-mayor-davids-response-to.html

Anonymousing said...

Greetings to everyone, grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, to whom be glory forever and ever.

My man Grand. Not only did you exaggerate when your ears failed to hear your own brother on tape and you embellished a claim that it was a police officer, but now your eyes seem to fail in seeing the WWW on top of your browsers address bar. You remind me of Bobinski.

By world-wide I mean any and every place in the world where there is a Muslim with an internet connection, ie. WorldWideWeb, and quite possibly if not certainly: Brunei, Kazakhstan, Bahrain, Albania, Mali, Tanzania, and Maldives.

Just as Yahya retracts his articles secretly, the "Media Networks" have a tendency to do the same.

If you want a list feel free to put one together but Ill be dammed before I circulate any more negative feedback about the Fantastic Four. Some descriptive terms floating among other articles were: harassing, aggressive, intimidating, attack, offensive, harmful, threatening, and as I have shown assaulted. There are many more clever ones that I dont remember as I am neither especially clever nor especially gifted. I am only very, very curious.

I gave you a dated reference to the article for which you want a link. It would take you a minute to google five words which makes me wonder if you have already read the article, in which case take note of the words I used in my post |who with cameras|. Also according to the Mayor of Dearborn the missionaries 'attacked' Michigan, so there's your majestic plural.

And here is the link: http://muslimmedianetwork.com/mmn/?p=6409

And Grand, notice how strategically propagandistic the piece is. "Rhetorical violence" :)doesn't get better then that!

Now can you PLEASE explain to me how calmly talking with peace, care, and love to people can constitute as ANY form of assault?

AnonyMousing said...

Actually, have the four disclosed the formal charges?

Yes they have. Please check out: answeringmuslims.com

Peace to the Brothers and Sisters, and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Grace to all who love our Lord Jesus Christ with an undying love.

thegrandverbalizer19 said...

With the name of God, Peace be unto those who follow the guidance from their Lord.

Anonymously. I'll admit that I do not know for certain that it was a police officer who made the statement. However, I do not know how you come up with an alternative view where you seem to assert with conviction that,

"when your ears failed to hear YOUR OWN BROTHER on tape and you embellished a claim that it was a police officer,"

On what basis do you assert that it was a Muslim who made the statement?

I'll admit I made an assumption it's not hard to admit to things like that.

I'm glad to see that you have clarified your statement where you said,

"Wow, talk about propaganda...and that was dated June 24, so basically The Dearborn 4 was already condemned by Muslims WORLDWIDE"

For a moment it made it sound as if there was some major backlash which there is not. I'm glad that your clarification shows that it can also reference a lone Muslim sitting in their basement with a computer.

For a moment you sounded alarmist.

Anonymousy I can understand when you say,

"If you want a list feel free to put one together but Ill be dammed before I circulate any more negative feedback about the Fantastic Four" That you may not wish to exonerate your statement

And one reason why they would present those legal verdicts is because a) wrongful arrest b)Muslim NEWSPAPERS and BLOGS have been LITERALLY saying that David and Nabeel were ASSULTING Muslims! Yah! I cant believe it either man

Your link hardly qualifies as Newspaper(S) and Blog(S).

Not only that but when you say "LITERALLY ASSULTING" it also becomes problematic.

The one link you did give seemed to define what they felt assault meant by the sentence, "it is quite an assault against Muslims when they cannot even walk at an Arab festival without people trying to drag them away from their religion."

Notice the article also talked about what they felt was 'rhetorical violence'.

Now I may not have used some of the words they did, but I really do feel you need to calm down and relax.

No need to sex things up and become an alarmist.

Anonymousing said...

when your ears failed to hear YOUR OWN BROTHER on tape and you embellished a claim that it was a police officer

Watch the video close brother. You HEAR the other officers voice at 5:03. And you are BLIND as to what was going on in the video all together.

PEACE

Anonymousing said...

I'll admit I made an assumption it's not hard to admit to things like that.

I'm glad to see that you have clarified your statement where you said,

"Wow, talk about propaganda...and that was dated June 24, so basically The Dearborn 4 was already condemned by Muslims WORLDWIDE"

For a moment it made it sound as if there was some major backlash which there is not. I'm glad that your clarification shows that it can also reference a lone Muslim sitting in their basement with a computer.

For a moment you sounded alarmist.

Anonymousy I can understand when you say,

"If you want a list feel free to put one together but Ill be dammed before I circulate any more negative feedback about the Fantastic Four" That you may not wish to exonerate your statement

And one reason why they would present those legal verdicts is because a) wrongful arrest b)Muslim NEWSPAPERS and BLOGS have been LITERALLY saying that David and Nabeel were ASSULTING Muslims! Yah! I cant believe it either man

Your link hardly qualifies as Newspaper(S) and Blog(S).

Not only that but when you say "LITERALLY ASSULTING" it also becomes problematic.

The one link you did give seemed to define what they felt assault meant by the sentence, "it is quite an assault against Muslims when they cannot even walk at an Arab festival without people trying to drag them away from their religion."

Notice the article also talked about what they felt was 'rhetorical violence'.

Now I may not have used some of the words they did, but I really do feel you need to calm down and relax.

No need to sex things up and become an alarmist.


That would be a waste of time. Whenever I see a Foul, im going to call it.

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Yahya Snow said...

Walaikumsalam Grand

Good shout!

VERY perceptive stuff about this possible "curve ball"...I never thought about that.

My initial feeling was; well, if it is so conclusive then why is there a court case going on? Surely the Dearborn PD feel they have a case otherwise they would have dropped the charges


I don't know what to think but time will tell, and I I eagerly await to see whether your intimation of resisting arrest is an actuality...

I note the coming to the aid of someone being unlawfully arrested is capitalized (as well as the stuff about using force)...interesting!!

BTW, if there is something in this then you sir are a legend

Oh yeah, your pal James white has attacked the preacher who was NOT arrested (Josh Mcdowell)

and yep...he did claim Muslims were shouting "allahuakbar" and we have not seen proof of it.

Another btw, I doubt the 15yr olds around Nabeel were the type to shout Alahuakbar...so he exactly did this shouting?

@anonymousing

Which articles have I retracted??? ("secretly")

You make it sound as though I'm running some sort of shifty business.
Muslims are not monsters...please shower away the sinister nonesense you pick up from Wood,Shamoun etc

Thanks

Yahya Snow said...

PS

The comment I removed was a spam comment in Chinese

Anonymousing said...

Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Yahya said:

Oh yeah, your pal James white has attacked the preacher who was NOT arrested (Josh Mcdowell)

Here you go Grand, another exaggeration and embellishment.

And :Which articles have I retracted??? ("secretly")

The Jochen Katz article has been secretly altered because of a quite humbling mistake (I check the Greek & Hebrew when I study my Bible :) > You did not disclose your mistakes. And the disgusting insinuations you leveled at Nabeel in your previous video were neither disclosed nor apologized for; in fact it comes off like you want praise in this one. Egg on...'someones' face.

Grace be with you all.

Anonymousing said...

And what is up with those Chinese porn links? I see those things popping up on blogs everywhere these days.

Anonymousing said...

Im sorry I have been sitting here re reading all the comments for a while now, and for the life of me I cannot understand what this "curve ball is"?

If you mean "chants of allahu akbar" then you are sorely mistaken my friend. The chants came after the cameras were off (as they were being escorted in handcuffs), and in fact, soon there might be vidoes...

Why dont you guys ask David and Nabeel?

Peace

Anonymousing said...

P.S. Grand

Your link hardly qualifies as Newspaper(S) and Blog(S).

Are you playing stupid or do you just not know how media networks operate?

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