Sunday, 16 June 2013

Will Bassim Gorial Debate? Excuse-makers are running out of excuses...

Now I don't do this fancy stuff of debating; I'm simply a blogger and vlogger. I recently threw out a debate challenge to the influential folk at ABNSat in an attempt to get a debate going between them and a few Muslim debaters. There was no response. Well actually, one of there employees claimed that the debate challenge was not a direct challenge from myself. He was right. I'm not sure why that matters. Why would it matter? A Muslim whom I find to debate Bassim should be more than sufficient as it's not about personalities but rather about beliefs.

However, just so Dr Bassim Gorial has no excuses made for him, I'm throwing my hat in the ring. OK I will debate him. I would rather have somebody else debate him on behalf of the Muslims but if this is a genuine stipulation (i.e. that I debate) then I will debate him online.

Original debate challenge to the Islamophobic ABNSat:


For those who have been following some of the recent blogging and vlogging; you will know much refutation, condemnation and rebuke has been poured on the claims and actions of folk on ABNSat:
 

Rather than give the main protagonists further attention how about we challenge those with editorial/managerial control of the ABN programming?

Yes, indeed this is an open debate challenge to Bassim Gorial, Haifa Gorial, Samar Gorial and Pastor Joseph Najm (you can also bring along Pastor Joseph Habibi too)

It's time to engage with the more influential people at ABN rather than the career foot-soldiers of ABN – who have been discredited and/or refuted:

David Wood (cross-dresser)

Walid Shoebat (try not to laugh at his title ‘ex-terrorist’)

Sam Shamoun (considered foolish)

Kamal Saleem (be wary of this fella, he has 3 different conversion stories out there)

Usama Dakdok (Doesn’t know Islam nor classical Arabic yet is selling a book which he styles as a ‘translation of the Quran’ for ‘donations’ of ~ $25 or ~ $50!)

So Bassim and Haifa, you folk believe in Christianity right? I assume you’ve read this part from 1 Peter 3:15:

Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have

So here’s the challenge for Dr Bassim and Haifa Gorial. I and all other Muslims believe the trinity is something Jesus never taught. Sir Anthony Buzzard states, there’s 12000 accounts of ‘God’ in the Bible; none of which are mentioning tri-unity. You believe in the trinity. If you are confident in this, I ask you to come to the table and respond to this challenge.

Here is the challenge for Pastor Joseph Najm and Pastor Joseph Habibi; you both believe that Jesus is divine, right? Well, we as Muslims see him as a Prophet who NEVER taught that he was divine. This is a huge stumbling block between us, how about coming to the table and discussing this?

That leaves Samar Gorial, well Samar I assume you believe in the inerrancy of the New Testament. Your faith as a Bible-believing Christian is based on believing the NT is reliable and inspired. I invite you to come to the table and accept a debate challenge on such (if you believe in the above). Here is a sample of the type of discussion to expect:
 

If any of you are indeed willing to accept this offer for a dialogue please be in touch, I shall endeavour to find a suitable Muslim debate opponent for each one of you.

To those whom are addressed in this blog-post, feel free to contact me to accept an invitation to debate/dialogue:


Did you know Jesus has Muslim brothers and sisters? Would you like to become the brothers/sisters of Jesus? To learn more please see:
http://www.thedeenshow.com/

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

I dnt think they wil agree

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman if they accept does that mean you will appear on ABN to debate them?

Anonymous said...

From Minoria

I hope they agree.There are 2 words used,debate and dialogue.I think the best format is dialogue/discussion.

There was a debate between Richard Carrier and Michael Licona(it is in youtube) on the resurrection of Jesus.

Each gave their 15 or 10 min exposition and reply.Then they had like a 20 or 30 min discussion,a real conversation,with no moderator,which was an exchange of spontaneous questions and replies,FREE-FLOWING.

Now THAT is the best option,not you have 10 min to reply and then you are cut off,etc.It would be great to have a 2 hr real conversation,and the other can ask a question at any time,and then the other answers and continues with what he was saying before.

But really check out the Carrier-Licona debate,they had a real and open dialogue.The only time I saw such a thing in a debate.

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman I will even add that you can call me via skype for free and I will call ABN and connect u with them.

So it will cost you nothing.

Yahya Snow said...

@RadMod

Your comment was deleted. One would expect the Bible quotation in the post would be sufficient for you (as a Bible-believing Christian) not to insult their capability to dialogue (assuming you believe they are real Christians)

@Anthony

Your comment was deleted, this is not a place for you to insult people's intelligence and mislead folk.

I do better than calling in, you already know that.

Yahya Snow said...

@minoria

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm not a follower of Richard Carrier but I would certainly like to hear this debate/discussion.

Yahya Snow said...

@Rad

Please stop insulting.

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman I'm not insulting. Your debate challenge is stupid even for you. These people do not debate. Debating is a skill, what do managers and owners of a Satellite TV station have to do with debating?

Not only that but your debate challenge was disingenuous and insincere since you are not going to be doing the debating.

Now Snowman if you are really genius and sincere then you will call in tomorrow at 7pm central to the "Antoni Rogers" show on ABN.

If not then you have exposed yourself, to be the disingenuous and insincere Muslim we know you to be.

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman do you accept the challenge to call in tomorrow Monday June 17th at 7 PM Central US TIME?

Radical Moderate said...

correction

genius = genuine

Anthony Rogers said...
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Radical Moderate said...

Step up snowman or melt away.

Anonymous said...

Abn fans r mad. Antony and radical y u not go ac room and speak ?
Y abn not calling nadir Ahmed. Sami zataari scares u. Call Paul Williams if u dare.

Abn leaders r scared. Chicken. Y all the fans comin and crying.

Anthony Rogers said...

Anonymous, you are certainly confused. All the people you mentioned above have been sufficiently schooled by us and invited to debate us. All of MDI is running scared. Tell them to step up to the plate, not us.

Anonymous said...

Antony Rodgers is a hater. Y he so mad. Tell ergun caner to debate adnan

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman, I hope your napping because it's going to be a late night for you.

The ABN Show starts at 8 pm Eastern US Time so that will be 1 AM.

Here is the number
00-1-248-416-1300

So you are with out excuse.

Radical Moderate said...

Anonymous said...
"Abn fans r mad. Antony and radical y u not go ac room and speak ?
Y abn not calling nadir Ahmed. Sami zataari scares u. Call Paul Williams if u dare.

Abn leaders r scared. Chicken. Y all the fans comin and crying."

My Response:

I do go AC room speak. I speak good in ac room. Why not u go in ac room speak.

I agree with AR, you are really confused.

Anon do you have Paul Williams phone number, I'm sure the crew at ABN would be more then happy to call him. got Nadir's and Sammi number too?

Radical Moderate said...

Anon

Why u call in abn and speak?

Anthony Rogers said...

Anon,

Wow, you are easy. We point out that Muslims won't step up to the plate and debate (like Yahya Snow here), and you call us "haters." By those standards Adnan must be a hater. Of course I don't agree with your reasoning. I think it is good for Adnan to defend his convictions. But on your reasoning he is a hater.

Anonymous said...

http://www.examinethetruth.com/

Yahya Snow said...

RadMod

Come on fella, you want me to stay up till 1 am?

I have done better than call the show, see:

http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/ABN%20Sat

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman

This is your big chance to issue your debate challenge, if your not up for it or should I say up to the challenge. Then perhaps you can get someone from MDI, or Paul Williams or someone else from your cabal?

Yahya Snow said...

RadMod

You are clearly looking forward to the show, why don't you deliver the message to the ABN leaders (not to the folk who use it as a vehicle for self-promotion)

I'm sure you would watch a debate involving Bassim Gorial.

Get on the phone RadMod...

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman

Its your debate challenge not mine. So you call in and issue it.

If you can't then your challenge is as empty as your god

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman

Do you honestly think your "debate challenge" should be taken seriously?

If you want it to be taken seriously then you should call in.

However think about how foolish your so called debate challange is.

If you have computer issues say with Windows, would you call into Microsoft and expect Bill Gates to fix your issue?

When you watch the news or a television show, do you expect to have the managers, producers, writers, secretaries or anyone else that works at the station to be on the air?

Anonymous said...

From Minoria:

Hello Yahya,

From what I have read Carrier believes there is a 75% probability Jesus never existed.

There is a blog by a Christian scholar called David Marshall(christthetao.blogspot.ca) and he has written about 5 books since 2001 about Christianity.

He has analyzed some of Carrier's claims in other areas,they are in articles in Marshall's blog,ideas that appear in books with sections written by Carrier,and Carrier seems to have made statements that are factually wrong.Like that Christianity was responsible for the decadence of science in Antiquity when it appears science was stagnant,unproductive in Antiquity before Christianity became the official religion of the empire around 380 AD.

Yahya Snow said...

@RadMod

Your analogy of Microsoft doesn't fit. Bassim Gorial actually preaches Christianity to non-Christians. Put this together with the teachings of 1 Peter 3:15 then one would expect a Christian to take this invitation seriously.

What are you afraid of? You and Anthony don't seem to have confidence in Bassim.

Don't you believe him to be a true Christian who follows 1 Peter 3:5?

Yahya Snow said...

Hi Minoria

Thanks for the information on Carrier.

Yes, I like you, cannot take people who think Jesus did/may not exist seriously

Anthony Rogers said...

I didn't say anything about lacking confidence in Bassim. But you will delete this post and lievagain about what I said. That is why I will expose your deception in the next couple of days on Answering Muslims.

I only lack confidence in YOU. If you read your post, you will see that you lack confidence in yourself as well. That is why you won't debate even Bassim but are issuing challenges for someone other than yourself to debate him. How sad.

Anthony Rogers said...

Lievagain = lie again.

Anonymous said...

Antony Rodgers is mad. Antony do u do job or u get money from Internet ppl ? U get pay in us dolar? U mad coz ur boyz got pwnd. Call Antony buck.

Anonymous said...

From Minoria:

There are technical reasons for it being very improbable that Jesus never existed.

If it were that we had ONLY ONE group that claimed Jesus existed as a man and that ONLY one group existed for the first 300 years then the case of a mythical,non-historical Jesus would be stronger.

But we have the EBIONITES(who may or may not have existed before 70 AD,there is debate) and there is the Jerusalem church under James(who may or may not be the same thing as the Ebionites).

There is Paul's group(who may or may not have had the same creed as James' group).

There were the early GNOSTICS,who appeared at the end of the 1st century and may or may not have appeared earlier,even during Paul's time.They also believed a man(who for them was an illusion but still masquerading as a human being) did exist.They wrote their gospels and attributed them to disciples of Jesus.

The mathematical probability that:

1.Three different groups would all believe that a 1st century man(or an illusion that seemed like a real man) existed when he never even existed at all,but was later invented out of air,like a fairy story, and that invention somehow mutated into the belief of a man existing,is low.

2.And that the mutation would happen more or less simultaneously in TIME to 3 groups(the 3 groups are not separated by 300,500 years difference).The Gnostics did not appear 300 years after the Ebionites,for example,makes it even less probable.

Radical Moderate said...

ANON

U mad. U do English, u not speak so good. U do job. U got no money

Radical Moderate said...

Snowman

My analogy is correct since Bill Gates helped write the code for the fist PC-DOS OS as well as Windows.

Snowman how can he take your challange seriously when...

1. Your not the one going to do the debating.

2. You didn't even have the courage to call into the show to issue said challenge.

3. Debating is a skill, something Muslims seem to lack. Thats why your issuing empty challenges to someone who does not debate.

Snowman, the challenge to debate Muslims went out to MDI in England and America, as well as organizations in Canada and even Paul Williams.

All of them refused to debate experienced Christian debaters. Paul Williams was to busy harassing a fundamentalist Texas woman at speakers corner. Something funny since Paul Williams excuse for not debating Dr James White, Anthony Rogers and others is that he does not debate Fundamentalist Christians.

The only Muslim who had the courage and conviction to stand up for your God was Osama Abdullah. From what I hear he made a complete fool out of himself and your God.

Why is that snowman? Why won't Muslims debate Anthony Rogers, and others? Instead you guys make empty challenges on the internet or harass woman in speakers corner.

Anonymous said...

http://callingchristians.com/anthony-rogers/

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