Friday, 29 April 2011

William Lane Craig; Old Testament and the Trinity, Fundamentalist Christian Apologist; Allah and Hubal

I’ve never really understood why the most zealous of Christian fundamentalists shun scholarship in favour of conjecture.

Here we have one of those young Islamophobic Christian apologists simply being unscholarly and presenting fanciful claims dressed up as “air tight” arguments. I introduce to you Keith Thompson (aka Keith Truth)

Note: If the video does not play please view here:

Allah is not an idol called Hubal

He is claiming Allah is Hubal (a pre-Islamic pagan idol) despite the fact true scholarship tells us the two were not the same. I guess Keith Thompson has been reliant on Islamophobes on the net for information – he has admitted he has been in consultation with an Islamophobe (Mr Shamoun) who claims Muslims can have sex with animals amongst other bouts of lunacy. Yikes!

Hey Keith, you may want to start shunning the lunacy on the net in favour of academics. Just a thought!

[See the video to see Keith Thompson’s Hubal theory debunked in a matter of seconds]

Is the Trinity in the Old Testament? No.

Keith Thompson is claiming he has “air tight” arguments for the “fact” of the Trinity in the OT.

Erm, somebody should have told him the world renowned CHRISTIAN apologist and scholar, William Lane Craig, does not agree with these “air tight” arguments of the Trinity being in the Old Testament. Though the scholar (William Lane Craig) believes the OT does not necessarily oppose the belief in the Trinity he admits if one reads the Old Testament he/she does not come away with the Trinity. Essentially the Trinity is not there – never mind being an “air tight” “fact”.

It appears Keith Thompson is over playing the neo-Trinitarian renditions of the Trinity being within the OT. Accuracy would dictate us to mention, neo-Trinitarians would point to verses which they believe to be allusions to the Trinity within the OT. Quite how Mr Thompson has elevated this to the level of “air tight” and “fact” is beyond us.

[See the video for the clip of William Lane Craig]

A word on the Angel of the Lord

Keith would do well to recognise our previous refutations of neo-Trinitarian claims of the OT angel of the Lord being God. I would suggest he further consults scholarship in the form of Samuel Meier on the said topic as well as common sense. Common sense is a fine thing.

Invitation to Keith

Keith, if you read Mark Siljander’s book you will recognise his admission that Jesus was likely to have used the word Allah (“Alah”) to refer to God. Consult scholarship on the historical practices of the early Christian communities – prior to Islam – you will note D. MacCulloch tells us Christians were praying in the manner of the Muslims and the use of prayer mats spanned from Syrian to Northumbria. Northumbria is a county in the UK. All this was before God revealed the Quran.

The real question is why were Christians praying like the Muslims prior to Islam? The answer is that they were simply following Jesus as Jesus worshipped Allah in the Muslim-style of prayer. I invite you to do the same – if it’s good enough for Jesus…

The choice is yours; do you want a relationship with the God of Jesus? If yes, come to Islam.

Keith avoid the crazed Islamophobes

You seem to have taken to much of the Islamophobic rhetoric which is banded about within extreme Christian circles. Don't be an Islamophobic - it's not healthy.

If you want to become a truth seeker you would do well to disassociate from the Islamophobic crowd and begin to research things for yourself. Oh, just in case some of the Islamophobes through concern that you are being swayed to the Truth decide to feed you with dribble of Muslims being allowed to lie to advance Islam through something called “taqiyya” try reading the scholarly truth about taqiyyah:

Here is more info about Arab pagans prior to Islam:

Mike Licona on Gospel contradictions:

Full: William Lane Craig Discussion with Rabbi Tovia Singer on Lee Strobel’s show

Christian missionary Pastor converts to Islam:

May Allah send His peace and blessings on all the Prophets. Ameen



Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Why Muslims talk on Old Testament when Christians do not follow the Old Testament. Christians follow New Testament.

Radical Moderate said...

I agree with Keith Thompson

"Yahya Snow Humiliates Himself on the Trinity and Hubal/Allah"

What a joke of a response, this is even worse then you appealing to Noam Chomsky and 1moreMuslim quoting from Anton LeVay, the founder of the Church of Satan, and the author of the Satanic Bible. I mean really you guys will step all over your selves just to deny Gods Truth. It is amazing how the word of God and his providence is demonstrated in the Muslim logic.

Keith Thompson Responds to Yahya Snow's attempt to bail out another stuck Muslim

Radical Moderate said...

Muslims Allah needs your help.

Good news Muslims, your favorite Christian Apologists will be on ABN tonight. David Wood, Sam Shamoun and Jay Smith. Call in tonight and defend Allah and his apostle.

Anonymous said...

It is frustrating that the Saudis will not let anyone excavate their religious sites. Muslims know archeologists will discover more evidence for pre-Islamic pagan Allah. Like what happened when Gerd Puin did research on the Sana codex. He started finding variants so the project was shut down by Muslims. Why? Cant we learn?

Radical Moderate said...

One hour away Muslims, for you to be Allahs helper and call into ABN for Jesus or Mohamed.

(248) 416-1300

What it live here

Jesus or Mohamed

Anonymous said...

Good news, people. If you missed your opportunity yesterday to be Allah's helpers, you have another opportunity tonight, Sunday at 8pm EST. When the time comes, go to the link given by Radical Moderate above and/or call the number the provided. Also, please make sure when you call in to wear a helmet. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Send ABN (AKA Aramaic Bullshit Network) to here

Anonymous said...

The Keith guy talks is a confused kid. Don't waste time with his crap.

Yahya Snow said...

Keith offers nothing of scholarly substance. If he wants to maintain Allah and Hubal is the same then he should realise his dribble is going against the scholarly grain. If he wants to maintain he has "air tight" arguments for the Trinity being in the OT he should realise Christian scholars (William Lane Craig and James White) disagree with his pronouncements.

As for the rest of his claims - they were motivated by an immature desire to insult and pride. Looks like Keith has picked up the bad habits of those crazed fundamentalist Christians on the net.

@Radical and anonymous

You could have at least told of the topics to be discussed by giving the titles of each episode. Or are they being unprofessional in deciding at the last moment.

Rad Mod, do muster the same courage to ask Wood/Shamoun to apologise for their lies - like previously. We salute you. There is hope for you yet. :)

Radical who is appealing to this Levay bloke? I had never heard of him until his name was mentioned by you guys. I have little interest in this Levay fella.

As for Chomsky, he is a scholar. Something many Christians do not appeal to.


Yahya Snow said...

@Rad Mod

You say Allah needs our help.

No Allah does not need our help. Jesus was worshipping Allah and calling upon Him as God. So, the man you believe to be a god was relying on Allah.

As for your Christian charity to help free slaves, pass me the link by email. RadMod, in the interim, are you going to ensure those slaves obey and "fear" the slave master in order to have the bible complied to...

You never explained why the Bible instructs slaves to "fear" their masters. I asked you. You did not answer. Maybe you will ask the pastor for me. Call in ABN, ask Jay Smith or Pastor Joseph or (God forbid) one of the shamed deceivers...


Anonymous said...

William Lane Craig is not a scholar of the Old Testament or Second Temple Judaism. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Yahya Snow said...


Last I checked William Lane Craig was the foremost Christian apologist. Yes, he does not specialise in the OT but you can bet he has read the OT and scholarly work related to it. He reads it and does not see a trinity in there.

This kid (Keith 'Truth' Thompson- a relative nobody)who hangs out and learns with an obnoxious and unscholarly bigot on the net is not only saying to us the trinity is in the OT but is also claiming it to be an air tight argument.

James White is another Christian apologist who does not believe this man's claims either.

Who do you want us to believe, a young bigot off the net (YouTube) or your scholars and apologists?

BTW if you want FAMILIARITY WITH THE ot - try Rabbi Tovia Singer. He does not believe there is a trinity in the OT either nevermind the "air tight" tripe this young Christian fundamentalist bigot (KeithTruth) is presenting.

Again, its a case of Christians over-playing their hand and simply trampling over sholarship.

Iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens another


Anonymous said...

There is no limit for these keiths and shamons. Next thing they find in the OT are little green men. Hey keith could you find for me Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenobi there?