Ergun Caner is having a tough month. He is being lambasted for misleading folk about Sharia:http://thefactsaboutislam.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/latest-ergun-caner-is-back-lying.html
Despite having re-emerged on John Ankerberg’s show Ergun and Emir Caner are still feeling the pinch. Ergun’s tweeting of his ‘innocence’ of the charges levelled at him have been subjected to discussion to say the least.
Ergun Caner has fallen deeper than first thought
James White of AOMIN was looking for a hero to step up and tackle Ergun Caner:
His words, and actions, speak for themselves, in light of the overwhelming documentation. This is not mere self-deception. A wolf is amongst the sheep. Shepherds, where are you? "Discernment" ministries---where are you?
are you? Arlington
Well,he got somebody to tackle John Ankerberg. Here is what this chap wrote to John Ankerberg concerning the Caner brothers:
I am sorry to say but as hard as I try to take what these guys say seriously I can't in light of the documented lies of Ergun Caner, and his refusal to accept responsibility. It seems that you, John Ankerberg, are more interested in people with degrees in order to cater to the already convinced, i.e. you are preaching to the choir, since Muslims won't take these shows seriously in light of the scandal surrounding Ergun. And besides, he didn't even answer your question here.
It gets mindboggling when you realise who actually made such a comment – James White’s nutty friend/teacher Sam Shamoun!
Sam Shamoun has ahistory of vile behaviour, amateurism, stupid argumentation and outright dishonesty. No Muslim takes Shamoun seriously. O Ergun, how low have you fallen to be condemned by folk such as Shamoun!
I wouldn’t be surprised at all if James White’s buddy was simply trying to pave the way for himself to take over Ergun’s role on the show. His comment about ‘people with degrees’ seems quite telling. Perhaps it’s him projecting his frustrations of having taught James White Christian apologetics against Islam, yet the only one who is publishing a book about Islam here is White. I wouldn’t be surprised if Shamoun puts this down to his own lack of educational background. It’s quite an interesting dynamic, the student pitches up and leaves the teacher in the shadows.
Paul Williams shows Samuel Green the way
Shamoun was playing the troll, became insulting and was sharply rebuked for his abuse by Paul Williams:
Sam Shamoun posted a comment here to Yahya Snow which I have trashed. It contained too many personal insults and was one long rant against Snow. Sam was banned from my blog before due to his foul mouthed tirades and is on the verge of being banned again if his manners do not drastically improve.
It was easy for Paul Williams. It didn't take years of badgering to see Paul condemn Shamoun's troll-like manner so what's up with Samuel Green and James White?
Samuel Green’s absolute refusal to publicly address Sam Shamoun both in this YouTube commentsection (Sam is under the handle – shamounian) and elsewhere have been mystifying until now. Somebody commented that Samuel’s reluctance was due to Samuel using Shamoun’s argumentation for debates.
However I speculate something completely different. I wouldn’t be surprised if White and Green are reluctant as they don’t want Shamoun’s faith to be challenged. Let me explain, a few comments by Shamoun indicate that he believes a difference of opinion (disagreement) with your co-religionist/s means one is on the path to leaving their faith. Paul Williams of Blogging Theology was in fact subjected to the manifestation of this mindset (of Shamoun's) here and I’d imagine elsewhere too.
This leaves one wondering about Sam Shamoun, how strong is the bloke’s faith? Perhaps White and Green think it could go rather grey if he is addressed publicly hence their absolute refusal to challenge him
Shepherds, where are you? "Discernment" ministries---where are you?
I think the ‘shepherds’ and ‘discernment ministries’ may be worried about losing one of their sheep if they make a move…
Note to John Ankerberg
If you are looking to ditch Ergun Caner (which you should be) then please do not throw in the Ergun Caner look-alike - this amateur called Sam Shamoun. His level of argumentation is just as deplorable as Ergun’s, check his most recent argument out here – he is wrongly trying to convince folk that Islam is polytheistic – not even Ergun Caner is that barmy.
Here’s an amazing idea, how about you get a Muslim scholar on your show to learn about Islam. I think even Christians are tired of seeing evangelical kooks being dressed up as ‘experts on Islam’. Let me name drop, Hamza Yusuf, Yasir Qadhi, Dr Abdullah Hakim Quick, Zaid Shakir, Dr Shabir Ally, Ali Ataie etc…