Monday, 5 August 2013

Another Reason Why Christian Apologetics is Unreliable (Sam Shamoun with James White)

Christians really need to think for themselves rather than absorbing anything and everything Christian apologists tell them. Here is an example of a Christian apologist from a satellite TV station (ABN) simply presenting nonsense. Absolute nonsense!

Shoddy Apologists

The Christian, Sam Shamoun, was claiming the church fathers were careful in what books of the New Testament they chose to accept. He claimed they knew the author of Hebrews had apostolicity (it either written by an 'apostle' or by a companion of an 'apostle'). This made no sense at all:

_Firstly, the book of Hebrews is anonymous. Christians will admit they don't know who wrote the book!

_Secondly, the church fathers (as confirmed by prof Bart Ehrman) included the book of Hebrew because they WRONGLY thought Paul wrote it!

The Christian apologist, Shamoun, tried to convince his audience of the 'care' the church fathers took in deciding which books to accept and which to reject. Well Bart Ehrman refuted the Christian apologists spin by pointing to the disputed books within the NT (some of which he believes to be forgeries)

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Christians, please think about things for yourselves. Do not allow internet Christian apologists to think for you. These are important issues.

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Anonymous said...

CAIRO - Egypt's army-installed government said on Sunday it would give a chance for mediation to resolve the crisis brought on by the overthrow of Islamist President Mohamed Morsi, but warned that time was limited.

At the same time, a Cairo court announced that the leader of Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood and his deputy will face trial in three weeks' time for crimes including incitement to murder during protests in the days before he was toppled.

That could complicate efforts by international envoys and Egyptian factions to launch a political process, encourage national reconciliation and avert further bloodshed.

But an imminent battle between security forces and thousands of Morsi supporters standing their ground in two protest camps in Cairo appeared less likely while the mediators talked.

The National Defence Council, made up of civilians and soldiers, said in a statement it backed mediation "that protects the rights of citizens regardless of their affiliations and that spares blood, as long as that happens in a defined and limited time." It did not specify a deadline.

The statement was issued one day after US and European envoys met separately with members of the new government and allies of Morsi.

The crisis has led Egypt, the Arab world's most populous state, to its most dangerous days since a popular uprising in February 2011 ended US-backed strongman Hosni Mubarak's 30-year rule and raised hopes of a new era of democracy.

Morsi became Egypt's first freely-elected leader in June 2012. But fears that he was tightening an Islamist grip on the country and his failure to ease the economic hardships afflicting most of its 84 million people led to huge street demonstrations, culminating in the army ousting him on July 3.

The military has laid out a "road map" to elections in about six months and promises a return to civilian government. The Brotherhood, an Islamist movement that spent decades in the shadows during Mubarak's rule, had spurned the road map.

Almost 300 people have been killed in political violence since Morsi 's overthrow, including 80 shot dead by security forces in a single incident on July 27, and much of the Brotherhood's leadership is in custody.

A Cairo court said on Sunday it would start the trial of Brotherhood leader Mohamed Badie and his deputy Khairat el-Shater on Aug. 25 on charges of inciting killings during the protests in the last day's of Morsi's rule.

The general prosecutor also ordered the pre-trial detention for 15 days of Rifaa El-Tahtawy, Mursi's former chief-of-staff, and his deputy, accused of inciting the detention, torture and interrogation of protesters in 2012.

Morsi's allies view them as political detainees who should be included in talks to ease tensions. Morsi, who has also been accused of murder and other crimes, is detained at an undisclosed location. (Continue Reading.)

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Alexander said...

Haha, may Allah guide dr Bart Ehrman. Amin. Thanx for the post. Jazakallah Khayr

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Yahya Snow said...


I will delete your comment. Please don't make blanket claims like that without any evidence. The guy was not taken out of context - those are his words. He made the claim about Hebrews and it did not make sense, thus it was highlighted in the video. He also made a claim about 'the care' which the church fathers took in decided which books to accept for the NT - this has shown to be exaggeration on the part of the apologist in the video.

It's interesting I have a ton of posts on that apologist, much of which catalogues his dishonesty yet that apologist remains largely silent.

I also find it interesting that rather than discussing the NT you have chosen to prop up the apologist. Friendship can blind at times.

Here's a number of posts on that particular ABNsat apologist:

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Lothar Lorraine said...

These points might very well be valid, but this by no means shows Christianity to be false.

Unlike Islam, the Christian faith doesn't stand or fall with the inerrancy of a holy book.

Kind regards.

Lothars Sohn - Lothar's son